Obama/Clark can withstand what will be the filthiest, most intense Swiftboat attack of all time.

[Faryn Balyncd]

[SoonerPride]

1. Yes, we can

I think we wipe the floor with MSame and whomever he drags from the muck

[Tatiana]

2. This is the ticket to a landslide victory. We will definitely take NC and VA with Obama/Clark. n/t

[chefgirl]

3. I like Wes Clark

I like Wes Clark, but I just dont think he's got the goods to be V.P. Sorry.

Besides, I would MUCH rather see him as Sec. Def. A much better fit, if you ask me.

-chef-

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Clark would be a strong running mate

bringing with him strong military/international creds.

[atufal1c]

27. I think he would be the answer, too.

Obama DEFINITELY needs someone with a military background. Clark doesn't have a lot of baggage and he's got the right look--gray hair, white skin, and broad shoulders with four stars on 'em.

He's not a strong campaigner, but Obama doesn't really need one. What he needs is someone that a majority of Americans want conferenced in on that phone call at 3am.

[BattyDem]

5. I like Wes Clark a lot

I would be very happy with an Obama/Clark ticket. It's a winner! :D

[grasswire]

6. Isn't Clark a Hillary compadre?

I believe he's very loyal to the Clintons.

Where is this possibility coming from?

[BattyDem]

7. Yes, but ...

when a nominee is chosen, the party usually comes together, so he could agree to be the VP.

Also, last night the MSM talking heads mentioned that Hillary may try to make a deal with Obama - she'll drop out and support him, but in exchange, she has a say in picking the VP. I don't know if that could actually happen or not, but the talking heads seemed to think it was a possibility.

[grasswire]

8. why would he trust a Hillary crony to be his VP?

This makes no sense at all.

[BattyDem]

18. I thought it was a bit odd that Hillary could have a say in the VP ...

but they seemed to think it was very possible. I don't think they mentioned Clark specifically, but they did mention the possibility of a deal. Of course, they could have been talking out of their asses ... who knows? :shrug:

[blm]

10. That's old politics - and Obama won't want millions of dollars in ads starring his VP attacking him

with all the many appearances made in the primary for Hillary.

People - BE SENSIBLE and THINK before you push this absurd notion into the mainstream media.

[BattyDem]

20. I agree with that, but I still like Clark. I haven't heard his attacks ...

are they really bad? If so, then you're right ... there's no way he could be VP. If it's just the typical "my candidate is better" stuff, then it's not a problem, but if they were "Hillary-type" attacks, he couldn't possibly be on the ticket.

I don't think the talking heads mentioned Clark specifically, but they did mention the possibility of a deal that would give the Clintons a say in the VP. As I said in a response above ... they could have been talking out of their asses. I have no idea. :shrug:


By the way ... I don't believe anyone (including myself) is trying to push anything. We're all just brainstorming about possible VPs today. Weighing the pros and cons, etc. :hi:

[blm]

22. I meant it more like accidently pushing an idea

into the mainstream that hasn't been thoroughly thought through - Clark has been with Hillary PUBLICLY since last summer and he has made some pretty tough comments against Obama, and you can be certain they have all been collected by RNC.

[BattyDem]

23. I get it. The idea goes "viral" and we're all screwed, LOL!

Thanks for the info about Clark. :hi:

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. Wes Clark has personal integrity

He is close to Hillary, yes, but I am confident from my sources inside Clark's political organization that had he seen a real road to possible victory open to him that Clark would have entered the race this year opposing Hillary Clinton if necessary. He would have done so in a respectful manner, much like Biden, but what kept him out of the race was not loyalty to Clinton. Clark believed he was more qualified to be Commander in Chief than Clinton and he waited until September 07 to actually endorse Hillary, many loyalists were on board with her far earlier than that. But he doesn't fight dirty and once he gives someone his loyalty they can take that to the bank.

Clark can be a bridge builder inside of the Democratic Party now, which is much more divided than reading Democratic Underground would seem to indicate. Once Clark realized that he could not win the nomination himself in 2004 there was no Democrat more loyal to John Kerry than Wes Clark.

[roguevalley]

30. that makes him a good choice because it would appease hillary

people and he is more for the country than any candidate.

[Quixote1818]

9. I agree. And Clark would go off bigtime on those attacking Obama's patriotism

It would make the attackers think twice with Clark going after them. Clark solves all Obama's weaknesses.

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. No one can provide cover for Obama better than Clark

The above ground case that John McCain would attempt to make against Barack Obama is that he is not experienced enough to protect our nation from it's enemies. There is no one, absolutely no one, who Barack Obama could run with who would better counter that argument than Wes Clark.

The under the radar case that Republican operatives will attempt to make against Barack Obama is that his patriotism can't be trusted. There is no one, absolutely no one, who Barack Obama could run with who would better counter that argument than Wes Clark.

[GarbagemanLB]

13. not to mention the fact that he could help win over Hillary supporters still angry over the primary.

[Quixote1818]

12. Not to mention, McCain will play up his military service. Clark would nutralize him on that. nt

[BlooInBloo]

15. And the concern trolls who think we should do what bigots say.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. I think Clark burned his own bridges.

He had some unflattering things to say about Obama as commander-in-chief. That would come back to haunt an Obama-Clark ticket.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. That could easily be truned to Obama's advantage

Clark could say "Look, I devoted my life to defending this nation. I take National Security very very seriously. I know Hillary Clinton personally and I knew she had what it takes to keep America safe, and I was comfortable endorsing her for that reason. But since then I've had a chance to spend more time with Senator Obama, and we've had some deep and far ranging discussions about national security. I would never have agreed to be his running mate if I did not fully believe that Barack Obama was now the right choice for America. America's security means far more to me than mere politics. I am proud to support Senator Obama for President. He has the wisdom and the judgment needed to steer our nation through difficult waters ahead. And he has the good sense needed to surround him self with the best advisers possible (smile)"

[blm]

24. Forget it - ads against Obama using Clark could make themselves. It would be THAT EASY.

.

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. "Voo Doo Economics" sure torpedoed Reagan, didn't it? n/t

[blm]

29. 1980 was a completely different media atmosphere, wasn't it?

.

[Dr Fate]

17. Obama/Clark would be a hit, baby. Number 1 with a bullet.

Count me in- I would love to see that ticket.

I've always maintained that if Kerry had chosen Clark as VP, he would be campaigning for his second term right now.

[jefferson_dem]

21. As I've said before, if it can't be Obama/Webb, I'll gladly take Obama/Clark.

:bounce:

[knixphan]

25. With Howard Dean behind him,

Obama can choose Paris Hilton as a running mate and survive the GE against McBush.

Let's just end the primary and get it on!

[NAO]

28. I wanted Clark for Pres in 2004, then hoped for VP...he is a Clintonian drone

My first choice for a Democratic nominee in 2004 was Wes Clark...

Then, when it was open for Kerry to pick a running mate, I insisted that Kerry/Clark was the ultimate ticket. After all, one of the biggest problems facing America was that Bush had alienated our allies, and we were alone in the world. Who better than the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO - OUR ALLIES - to help us rebuild the international relations Bush had destroyed?

Granted, Clark did stump for Kerry in 2004, but during that campaign season. But there was never any serious talk among the Kerry staff that Clark was a possible running mate.

Possibly Clark's allegiance was elsewhere? I got the impression that Hilary WANTED Bush to win so she could run in 2008...and I have intuitions now that if Hilary does not get the nomination (which she will not, unless by some Rovian dirty tricks), then she will WANT McCain to win so she can run in 2012.

And Clark, fantastic as he is, seems to me to be beholden to the Clinton political power center and it's ambitions. So while I'd LIKE to be proven wrong, I suspect Clark will not be considered by Obama, for reasons known to those inside on both sides.

[weeve]

31. It seems to me ...

... that many of the hawks (trolls) here who now realize that their #1 gal doesn't stand a chance, are now pushing the idea of a conservative VP choice for Obama. Yesterday there was some thread listing 15 or so VP choices, and they all were far to the right of Obama. Obama has proven that a liberal voting record CAN inspire the majority ( or at least not turn them away ). There's no reason to tack towards the middle (or right).

In my opinion, Obama needs to put someone at least as liberal on the ticket ( if for no other reason than as Life Insurance ... they're not going to take you down if your #2 is ideologically just the same ). Feingold, Boxer, Edwards, hell... even Gore (if he can convince him)would all make great choices!

Keep an eye out and be vigilant for the corportae media ( and righties in disguise here ) to be pushing these middle-to-right VP choices. Have we learned NOTHING from Al Gore's greatest mistake ... putting Lieberman on his ticket ?!?

After five years of a tragic unnecessary WAR, and the military industrial complex ( and the networks they run ) becoming more powerful by the day, we CERTAINLY don't need a military man on the ticket. For whatever their good points, Clark, Webb and others are just too beholden to the military powers that be. ( As is Hillary, so scratch her from the list too. )Stay Left Barack !!

[Crunchy Frog]

32. Bullshit.

Lots of us who want Clark as VP have been staunch Obama supporters all along, and most of us are VERY progressive, and like Clark because of his progressive stances. As for the military industrial complex, I can't think of a better person to take it on than a military person. The non-military people in office certainly haven't accomplished anything there.

[weeve]

33. He'd keep us in Iraq ...

Ed Schultz radio show 6/18/07

Ed Schultz: General Wesley Clark here on the Ed Schultz Show. The website is securingamerica.com. General Clark, if things won’t improve by September, this means that the Congress is going to have to go back and fund, continually fund these operations. Is that correct?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think even if it does improve in September, the Congress is going to continue to have to fund the operations.

Ed Schultz: We’re going to have this vote all over again then. Aren’t we?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: We’re going to have this vote for the next few years unless something catastrophic happens that causes us to reconsider and pull the plug on the whole operation.

Ed Schultz: If we were to do that, pull the plug on the whole operation, what’s your prediction as to what would happen, General Clark?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: We’d, um, we, we’d have a hard time disengaging from the region, Ed. We’ve got security responsibilities to the Gulf States. We’ve got Security interests with Israel. We’ve got friends in Lebanon. We’ve got many different issues that are effected by the outcome in Iraq. So, If we pull the plug on the operation, you could probably physically remove the troops in six to eight months in good order.

If you saw a larger war go, would you want to be back in? How ’bout if you saw Al Qaeda taking over provinces? How ’bout if you saw the collapse in the West Bank and aid flowing in through Syria from Iran and a corridor being cut across Iran, across Iraq by the Iranians to facilitate that, and you saw widespread deployment of, let’s say, Iranian Revolutionary Guards inside Iraq, would you want to be back in at that point? And so, I, there’s so many unpredictables in this that I’m one of those who’s counseled against just getting frustrated and pulling the plug.

I wouldnt’ve gone in in the first place. It was a huge strategic mistake. We have to find the right way to back out of this.

Ed Schultz: And doing that is almost impossible in your opinion. So, we’re, we’re in it, and we got to make the best of it somehow. And the best thing we can have happen is for the Iraqis to a-accept what’s going on governmentally and get involved in the process and, and Americans are feeling like that’s a pipe dream at this point. How could we have gotten all of this so wrong? And I’m just hearing you, General, say that, you know, we’re so, we’re into this so thick it- there are just few options that we have at this point.