Is it time to fold up GD:P and have it revert to GD?

[CTyankee]

It's a good idea, IMO. Yes, I know there are more primaries but this thing is over. It has been decided.

We here at DU need to move on. As good Democrats we must now direct ALL of our energy and passion to beating John McCain in the fall. The more we wrangle in GD:P the more time we LOSE and John McCain GAINS. There is no sense to that.

The Republicans want us to continue bickering. We've got to put aside our grievances and unite for the "greater good."

[NJmaverick]

1. Yes it's time the primary is over and it's time to go after McCain

Obama is going to need all our support, sooner rather than later.

[Tesha]

2. No, the dust needs time to settle.

It's really not over until Clinton agrees that it's over.

Tesha

[CTyankee]

4. What she does is at this point immaterial.

We MUST cut this out and start focusing on McCain. Continuing to beat this dead horse is detrimental to the wellbeing of the Democratic Party.

I think the folding of GD:P would have an energizing effect on DU members. We can start looking at the big picture and finding creative ways to use our talent, intellect and time.

Continuing to squabble on GD:P just leads nowhere. We can continue to discuss Hillary but in the context of how she plays her role in the upcoming election.

Really, I don't see any point to having GD:P anymore!

[Bake]

35. Then why are you still here?

Nobody's putting a gun to your head and saying "Post in GDP, dammit!" Run along over to regular ol' GD and do whatever you like.

Bake

[CTyankee]

38. You've missed the point. Let me try again.

There has been considerable psychic energy heretofore generated in GDP on behalf of one candidate over another. I'm saying that since the primaries are now moot, it is time to rechannel our energies toward defeating John McCain. What about that don't you get, really? If the goal isn't to defeat John McCain, then why are you, or any of us, here?

[Bake]

50. The forum is here because people are still talking about it.

Including you. Do you think we actually **accomplish** anything here? No. Change it to GD/Politics. OK, we'll change the subject but are we really going to be instrumental in defeating McCain? No. We're just going to talk about it.

When I want to LEARN something that is useful, I go to LBN.

Bake

[CTyankee]

54. Wow. How defeatist is that?

OK, fine. We don't do anything, we just rant and rant.

What fun for Democrats! How useful this is the GE! Just stop caring about anything, who cares anyhow?

Guess I'm a different kind of Democrat from you, buddy...

[Bake]

59. I'm just not so naive as to think that posting on a message board

is the same as DOING SOMETHING.

If you want to DO something, get off the internet and get out and canvass for your candidate. Work a phone bank. Do voter registrations. Anything.

Pretty much what we do here is preach to the choir.

Bake

[CTyankee]

62. I do everything you listed. I worked damn hard for Ned Lamont in both

the primary and the election. I'll work hard for Barack Obama as well. My husband is on our ward committee and he and I do neighborhood canvassing for local candidates. I get involved in fundraisers and do phone bank canvassing.

But I disagree that this board doesn't aid our efforts. I have obtained invaluable information here that helped me write LTTEs. DU gives me a perspective on what other activists are doing in their local communities. DUers have been the source of lots of website info so I can do further research.

From the information we get here, we can gin up our activism on the ground, whether it is with LTTEs or just being able to stand our ground with repubs. I give DU lots of credit for this, but I don't stop at DU and other internet sites. DU is an adjunct to activism, not activism itself.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

3. No, it ain't over 'til it's over.

and it ain't over yet.

What happens in GD and GD-P probably doesn't have a whole lotta impact in real life. We can continue our GD-P circular firing squad until the convention is done or until all candidates agree that it is over. Hopefully sometime soon after lunch today.

:hi:

[SoonerPride]

26. Oh, it's over

it is.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

32. I know. But someone has to tell all the candidates.

And the candidates have to tell us.

:hi:

[LWolf]

5. As long as I don't have to hear about Obama ad nauseum

until after the convention.

Actually, I'd rather leave it in place until after November. After the convention, it can become "GD:General Election."

That way, if some of us want to talk about current events and issues, we won't get drowned by campaigners.

RE: "Yes, I know there are more primaries..."

That's right. There are. One of them is mine. Is my primary somehow less important than others?

[CTyankee]

10. No, not dissing you at all. The primaries will go forward regardless. I was talking about DU.

I was also talking about making the best use of our time. Since this forum generates NO energy toward getting a Democrat in the White HOuse, and even works to the detriment of that goal, it is time to focus ourselves on beating John McCain. We sure as hell won't do it spending time hurling insults at each other.

[LWolf]

58. It's true that this forum generates very little

of a positive nature. Yet, so many of us feel drawn back, like slowing down at a highway accident. :(

[keep_it_real]

6. No, the fat lady, Hillary, is not singing yet

When the fat lady, Hillary, sings it's over.

[Big Blue Marble]

7. In GD:P the P stands for politics not primary.

It is a permanent forum on DU. In fact it remain a lively place for discussions about the
GE in 04. I expect it will this year as well. It is just that it will be
a whole lot more fun here the next six months than it has been the last four.

[Tesha]

8. It stands for "Primaries" at the moment.

That was a change that was made as the smoke and fire started.

Tesha

[DS1]

13. That must be why the link on the top of this page says

General Discussion: Primaries


weird, eh?

[Jamastiene]

56. Oh Dear God,

"It is just that it will be
a whole lot more fun here the next six months than it has been the last four."

You can say that again.

[CTyankee]

9. Folks, I'm sorry about the smilies that keep appearing in my post.

I've emailed the administrators about this problem. I did NOT put them in. They popped in when I typed in the abbreviation of General Discussion Primaries.

[Tesha]

31. The problem is that ":P" is turned into a smiley.

When you post, check the box above the posting window that
says:

{x} Check if you DO NOT wish to use emotion icons in your message

Then you can say "GD:P" without having ":P" turned into a smiley ().

Tesha

[CTyankee]

33. Oh, thanks! I misunderstood the meaning of that box...

[IronLionZion]

11. outside primary season it's GD: Politics nt

[CTyankee]

15. OK, fine, as long as our goal is clear.

Please tell me what good having this forum is toward our ultimate goal of winning the White HOuse? It has become a place to tear down other Democrats. And that helps us beat John McCain, how?

[IronLionZion]

34. Because it is to discuss politics and political elections

When we have a nominee, our focus will be against McCain. There are also many down ticket races at the state and local level where we will ride the big blue tidal wave to victory.

Don't act like there have never been primaries before. Much worse Democratic primaries have happened in 68, 72, 48, etc. There were times when the party was divided over its very soul and reason to exist.

[CTyankee]

42. in 68 we lost. In 72 we took a real beating. And the beat went on until 1992.

Besides, I am NOT saying we shouldn't discuss/debate political issues. I'm saying we SHOULD. That's not what I am talking about.
We should focus our energy on how best to marshal our resources behind the drive for the White HOuse and the downticket campaigns as well. Let's free ourselves up to do just that.

Do you honestly think anything is gained by heaping abuse on Obama and Clinton at this point accomplishes anything?

[IronLionZion]

43. Do you honestly think I want to continue the abuse?

How in the world did you get that out of my post? :wtf:

[CTyankee]

44. Because I understood your post to argue that we should continue in the manner

we have been since the creation of GDP. I was saying that we should stop this cycle we're in because it is nonproductive and at this point it is moot. I don't see any good reason not to concentrate on John McCain immediately and of course, the downticket campaigns as well. The infighting won't change the reality of the numbers. The race is decided.

[IronLionZion]

45. Sorry if I wasn't clear

I'm all for focusing on John McCain and all those downticket races. Sure the infighting isn't helping, but GDP still has the right to exist. You are more than welcome to start threads on John McCain. Our man has been running against him.

Dude, I'm a big Obama supporter and this primary race has been decided for quite some time. :hi:

[CTyankee]

46. Yep, I'm focused on McCain all right. I just wish more people on this board were too!

As for GDP's right to exist, I was saying that once the race is over, does GDP have a REASON to exist (in its current manner).

Eyes on the prize...:hi:

[DS1]

12. No. We still need a place for the people who refuse to acknowledge defeat

to complain about Obama's lack of graciousness

[DrDan]

14. did I miss an announcement?

[harun]

16. Yes, I think it is time (n/t)

[CTyankee]

17. I find it odd that I didn't see anyone else post what I did.

I thought for sure that several other DUers would come to that same conclusion and post about it...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

18. Now where will we throw our feces?

[newportdadde]

19. Hopefully it will revert to GD: Politics. A place for non-tabloid threads.

I barely recognize this sub forum now but it use to be a great place to discuss/read about policy etc. Some great economic/policy posts etc use to show up here were they actually would stay up for awhile instead of being dumped off the General Discussion by an argument over abortion or foreskin.

[rucky]

20. Nope

it's important to let this play out. Not for me, personally, but to many DU-ers who are very emotionally invested in this primary.

[CTyankee]

23. How long do we let this fester?

What else gets done in the meantime. Look at how well McCain is doing in the polls. That tells me we're not working hard enough to defeat him. Having a place to nurse grudges doesn't make sense to me...

[rucky]

28. Polls only matter in October

This will be over in a month.

[grantcart]

21. No we need to divided GDP into two

GDP

and then


GDPBaghdadBob
Where up is down and certain people can celebrate a great landlside win in Indiana and they can continue to heap garbage on our nominee.

[Orsino]

22. No.

And dismantling/redirecting the forum would seem to serve no purpose other than a dig at Clinton supporters. This primary simply isn't over.

[CTyankee]

29. I voted for Hillary in my primary super Tuesday. It is not my intention to insult Clinton supporters

And, yes there are more primaries but the race is over. If we have the old Politics forum we can still discuss ways that HIllary can best be used to defeat McCain in Obama's campaign. We can do that with great dignity and respect.

What we can't afford to do is continue a fight that is over. It has been settled by the voters. We can continue to discuss the votes of MI and FL and should. Hissy fits and insults need to stop, tho.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. No!

God no!

[stratomagi]

25. Maybe convert it to GD:GE

So we can start ripping on McCain

[rug]

27. No, Change it to GD:PD.

General Discussion: Personality Disorder

[billyoc]

30. Oh, nonono, I get my Seven Day Hate first.

:evilgrin:

[BlooInBloo]

36. That's obviously for Skinner to decide.

[Egnever]

37. GDP never goes away

it just stops alowing attacks on our nominee.

[WeDidIt]

39. Nope, no official nominee yet

and when it folds up, it'll still be GD:P, just General Discussion: Politics.

:)

[nomorewhopper]

40. Yes

hillary should drop out soon enough anyway, so hopefully it won't matter

either way we have our nominee. anybody who disagrees just has their head in the sand

[Genevieve]

41. Yes, nt

[KoKo]

47. No....we cannot let the lunatics out of the asylum.....They will go wild

all over GD..Editorials and wherever else they can make their mischief. ....

[marions ghost]

48. No

close it after the last primary & some aftermath.

[TexanDem]

49. NO, NO NO -- not till its over - still have Fla/Michigan & see what HRC & media are going to do.

[NewHampshireDem]

51. K&R and Thank you! eom

[smoogatz]

52. We should have it fumigated first.

And maybe perform some sort of purification ritual. Anybody got any sage?

[FlyingSquirrel]

53. Oh, the HUMANITY.

That would be bad

[LVjinx]

55. I'd add that trolling, flame-baiting, and race-baiting need to be clamped down on HARD

We need to be unified come November... Emphasizing disagreement, instead of coming to terms with what are two essentially identical platforms, is suicide.

[CTyankee]

57. Hello, common sense!

What is the matter with us? Are we crazy?

We really need to get active against McCain NOW!

[Texas Hill Country]

61. i agree with this... including calling people that wont vote for Obama racist

[Texas Hill Country]

60. NO, it is not done yet