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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:56 AM
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As an ardent Obama supporter I'd be happy with Clinton on the ticket as VP if...
she sheds the "politics as usual" portion of her team. Namely Mark Penn, Lanny Davis, James Carville and those of their ilk.

Personally, I'd rather have Kathleen Sebelius on the ticket, but as long as Hillary Clinton climbs aboard the "New Politics Express" and embraces the activist base (meaning, WE the people), I'm all for the notion of forgive and forget.

I think it's imperative that we respect female and senior voters, they will make all the difference come November.

Go Barack!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:02 AM
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1. The problem is she thinks McCain is better equiped to be President.
Maybe she can run with him though?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:03 AM
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2. I think a lot of that is political bluster. I also believe in redemption.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:05 AM
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5. Redemption has nothing to do with the months worth of negative advertising she's provided
the GOP to use against Obama in the GE.

It's her own fault and it really is blatantly stupid to suggest she be VP.

She should have gone down a different road these last few weeks if that were to be a viable option.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:36 AM
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25. I didn't suggest she should be, just that I'd be happy to have her aboard if
she's willing to honestly work with Obama.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:32 AM
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24. No she doesn't
but that doesn't stop you guys from lying about it.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:19 PM
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35. What the fuck is this then?
"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002," Clinton says.

Go ahead spin that one more time for the studio audience.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:03 AM
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3. sorry, you don't put dead weight on a ticket as VP. Hillary is a fetid, stinking mess right now.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 08:03 AM by cryingshame
And there is a host of wonderful candidates available to help with whatever perceived weakness Obama may have for the GE.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:04 AM
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4. That makes one of us. The Executive Branch has been stacked with Clintonian DLCers THREE TIMES
I don't want a third term with a heavily DLC stacked Executive Branch.

No to Clinton as VP. :thumbsdown:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:06 AM
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7. Thank You. I totally reject and denounce the mere suggestion another Clinton be in the WH
At this point, she is toxic.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:06 AM
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8. So what are we going to do about female and senior voters?
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:15 AM
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14. I'm 68 and for Obama
Don't worry about the seniors. Obama can get their votes. It was sr women who thought Hillary was their Queen and are already defecting now that they see she is nuts.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:20 AM
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16. You somehow assume that female and senior voters would flee if not for Clinton.
They voted for Kerry in 2004.

So we know he is their leader.

Since Kerry is backing Obama, he, who they already voted for and who they made the nomineee in 2004, will talk to them and lead them back to Obama.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:20 AM
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18. I guess I feel we should respect their position and interests with the VP pick
in a salient way.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:04 AM
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30. "We" should pick a VP who supports the gas tax holiday?
What is "their" position? What is "their" interest? You make it sound as they belong to the "old white womens union" and "they" have a defined "interest" and "position."

What about the old white women who don't like Senator Clinton? What do you suggest "We" do for them?

Or do you mean that we need to bow down to identity politics and give people a pony so they will vote for us?

Are we to endlessly divide ourselves into artificial demographical categories and make grantees to each and every category based on a media driven horse race scenario?

You know what? I think Senator Obama has the intelligence to pick who he thinks will be a good VP for him and for the country. He doesn't need my input on that. And he doesn't need yours.

When you get the nomination you can decide who you want as your running mate.

Obama will decide on his, and his decision won't necessarily be based on your criteria. Can you handle that?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 AM
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32. I don't have all the answers, perhaps we should ask them how it feels after this is officially over
and Obama is the nominee.

I'm trying to be nice here.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:36 AM
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26. as far as I understood the polls, Obama leads Clinton with the female vote, she only led him in
specific segments of the female vote, like white female voters.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:10 AM
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31. Yes, she leads in "white female voters who think James Carville is sexy and who
don't understand why a gas tax holiday is both bad policy and just plain isn't going to happen."


Hillary definitely trails among "white female voters who think Kieth Olbermann is sexy."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:05 AM
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6. Hillary and Bill taking over the reins of Cheney's "most powerful VP in history" machine
Have we learned nothing from the "kitchen sink?" You really think a Clinton co-vice presidency (as in 2 against 1) would be a good thing for an Obama administration or the nation?

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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:17 AM
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15. The Clintons would set up their own kitchen cabinet
in the VP office and undermine Obama at every turn.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:07 AM
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9. If it's between Kathleen and Hillary, give me Kathleen! Anyone but Kathleen, I'd consider it. nt
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:08 AM
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10. How about she sheds Bill as well - in the political sense?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:10 AM
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11. Send him to the Third World on a mission, for a very long time.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:14 AM
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13. I'll second that motion!!! nt
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:15 PM
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33. As long as it's not Thailand.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:12 AM
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12. Not only no, but "hell, no".
The country would be better served by choosing a VP who appeals to Hillary's purported demographic but doesn't have her baggage and who will truly assist Obama in getting this country back on the right track. It's not just winning in November that counts; it's taking care of the country's needs afterwards. Obama needs a trusted partner in the VP slot, not a combatant who will undermine his efforts with intrigues aimed at securing her future Presidency.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:23 AM
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17. 2 senators on the same ticket?
John McCain couldn't ask for a better ticket. He'll just get Romney or Huckabee to run with him and laugh at the lack of executive experience on the Dem ticket. I say give the V.P. spot to Kathleen Sebelius. She's a well-liked governor who conforms to Obama's transcending style of politics.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:29 AM
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22. dnrt
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:30 AM by Bensthename


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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:23 AM
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19. I want Kathleen Sebelius on the ticket, that'd rock.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:25 AM
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20. Hellllllll No!
I don't trust the Clintons. I would worry about his life if she were to become her running mate.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:26 AM
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21. I agree, and I know it would do much to heal the party
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:30 AM
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23. That would bring tons of votes in Nov. for the dems thats for sure..
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:31 AM by Bensthename
Im sure Obama is thinking about that.
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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:41 AM
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27. Absolutely Not it would Contradict His strategy of Out with
the Old & in With the NEW ! He has already labeled Her as a Washington Player & His Campaign is based on Change !
She has more baggage out there & the Reps. will beat Her down with , Bosnia , NAFTA , Bill & Interns at the WH. Also I suspect that the FRAUD Trial will also finally rear it's Ugly Head. It would be Disastrous.

The Reps. would turn out in Droves to kick Her Ass , I think He should Choose WEBB! :patriot: :pals:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:42 AM
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28. i could mre easily see her as mccains vp. n/t
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:53 AM
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29. I'm in. Unity ticket.
Let's rock and roll.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:17 PM
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34. No. Her negatives are far too high. I don't think firing a few people
(one whom she claimed to have fired before) will be too effective in changing that.

I don't think we have to bribe women by putting one on the ticket.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:20 PM
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36. no way, she and her people got too damn ugly
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:29 PM
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37. She would undermine him and his message at every turn.
Haven't you watched how she's conducted herself during this primary?

What makes you think she'd change her MO? It's all about her and power and she has no shame. He doesn't need a VP like that. Just about any other choice, but that one, would be a good one.
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