How many of you Hillary supporters used to Love Obama

[Utah_liberal]

I ask this, because for years and years, I had nothing but love and respect for Hillary Clinton. If she blew everyone away and was already our nominee, I'd be with her 100%. There are actually good reasons that I and many other Obama supporters have been disgusted by the pandering, and the hitting below the belt she has engaged in during this election. Do any of you wonder why right wing pundits like Limbaugh are supporting her in this primary. Do any of you wonder why the most progressive blogs, websites, and magazines such as the Nation endorse Obama over Hillary? Have any of you wondered why a much higher percentage of Hillary supporters than Obama supporters say they will vote for McCain, a REPUBLICAN, if the don't get their way. I could go on and on, but let me restate. I have always loved Hillary, but things just won't pan out for her.
I love you all. Lets come down to earth, accept reality, and defeat McCain.
Ed

(EDIT)
On second thought, my use of the word love is a bit of an overstatement. I've never been fanatically in love with any politician. I always did have very high regard for Hillary, even though I would admit that before she even announced her run for president, I had hoped she wouldn't run, because I felt her to be a very polarizing figure. Obama was way down on my list of favorites when the race first started. Edwards was who I thought our country really needed. The main thing here is to keep McCain out. Not enough people focus against him.

[Skittles]

1. I've never been enthralled by either one

and the idolizing and demonizing done on DU is sickening

[Tyler Durden]

15. You and me both, sister.

I'd throw both of them in the river for Gore, or even Biden or Edwards.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Can I join you on that?

[MonkeyFunk]

2. I've always liked Obama

still do. His fans? Not so much.

[tishaLA]

3. Oh MF, we are a diverse lot

sure, some of us are horrors. But some of us are perfectly reasonable too

[MonkeyFunk]

5. I know, Tisha

but as this campaign has gone on, the more egregious voices have drowned out the more rational ones.

It's going to be difficult to overcome the hatred that has been spewed here non-stop. People weren't content to just win. They made it their mission to destroy Clinton. They want to take away her reputation, her career, her wealth. They want her driven from the party and publicly shamed. And they treat her supporters the same way.

I've argued all along - to ALL sides - that that was a stupid strategy, and counterproductive to the goal of electing a Democrat in November, to no avail.

To come to a Democratic board and see the lies and smears used against the Clintons here was very disheartening. It's hard for me to now say "well, these guys are good democrats" when they used every freeper tactic in the book to destroy the Clintons. I will not consider them good democrats.

[TahitiNut]

24. Sometimes it seems that lots of other people have bad breath ...

... when the breeze is blowing in your face. :eyes:

[roseBudd]

33. Nothing typed in a an anonymous forum destroyed the Climtons or Hillary's candidacy she just

ran a lousy campaign and made major mistakes in a year when a clever well organized charismatic candidate with the right message for the time emerged.

Life is not fair, Reality bites.

[Tyler Durden]

16. Believe it or not, I agree with you 100%.

A few bad apples make your whole barrel look rotten; I know it's only a few, but DAMN they are revolting.

[murielm99]

4. I live in Illinois.

I voted for Obama for the Senate, and I have always liked him, even though we knew little about him before 2003.

All the things you say about Clinton's campaign are actually more true of Obama's campaign. The style of campaigning he is using is simply Chicago/Illinois' politics on steroids. You will notice that I did not say that was bad. If it works and gets things done, fine. I don't like Obama for political reasons, not personal ones. DU has turned this into a nasty personal fight.

[ccharles000]

6. I was almost an Obama supporter.

When Donnie McClurkin came along I lost most of the affection for him. I became a Hillary supporter and have been happy ever since.

[BigBearJohn]

7. I indeed was very excited about Obama when I first heard him.. but after he became senator

and I saw the positions he took on various things,
I became turned off. Yet, in the beginning, I was
truly impressed and told my son "He will be the first
black president."

Guess I was wrong.

[AllentownJake]

9. Guess you were right

[Maine-ah]

10. which positions turned you away from Obama?

just curious. :hi:
I'm former Kucinich supporter, and when he dropped out Obama was my choice and that's mostly because I'd like to see a new face in the WH. I'm only 34, since I was 6 years old the same 2 families have been running this country. Obama is fresh, and I really like that.

[BigBearJohn]

18. Since you asked, this article by David Sirota pretty much sums up my disappointments:

"Just one month into his term, the former civil rights lawyer defied the Democrats
and voted for the class-action “reform” bill. Opposed by most major civil rights
and consumer watchdog groups, this Big Business-backed legislation was sold to the
public as a way to stop “frivolous” lawsuits. But everyone in Washington knew the
bill’s real objective was to protect corporate abusers. A few weeks later, though he
voted against the credit-card-industry-written bankruptcy bill, Obama also voted
against an amendment that would have capped credit-card interest rates at a
whopping 30 percent (he defends his vote by claiming the amendment was poorly written).

Then there is the Iraq War. Obama says that during his 2004 election campaign he
“loudly and vigorously” opposed the war. As The New Yorker noted, “many had been drawn
initially by Obama’s early opposition to the invasion.” But “when his speech at the
antiwar rally in 2002 was quietly removed from his campaign Web site,” the magazine
reported, “activists found that to be an ominous sign”–one that foreshadowed Obama’s
first months in the Senate. Indeed, through much of 2005, Obama said little about Iraq,
displaying a noticeable deference to Washington’s bipartisan foreign policy elite,
which had pushed the war. One of Obama’s first votes as a senator was to confirm
Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her integral role in pushing the now-
debunked propaganda about Iraq’s WMD.

Just as Ned Lamont’s antiwar primary campaign against prowar Connecticut Senator
Joe Lieberman was gaining momentum, Obama traveled to the state to endorse Lieberman.
Like the Duckworth endorsement, Obama’s move was timed to derail an insurgent, grassroots
candidate. To progressives this may seem surprising, given Obama’s progressive image. But
remember, according to the New York Times it is Lieberman–one of the most conservative,
prowar Democrats in Washington–who is “Obama’s mentor in the Senate as part of a
program in which freshman senators are paired with incumbents.”

(emphasis added)

SOURCE: http://davidsirota.com/index.php/mr-obama-goes-to-washington/

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[BigD_95]

23. are u joking

**Obama also voted
against an amendment that would have capped credit-card interest rates at a
whopping 30 percent ***


How the hell is 30 percent good? That was the reason he voted against it. Its too bloody high !

[quickesst]

8. I've never....

"loved" either candidate. I do however, respect both. I also realize that Obama is a three year senator, with a nondescript career, and few achievements in his short tenure. What cannot be faced, is the fact that Democrats, Obama's ambition withstanding, had a chance for perhaps the largest landslide victory in history. But between Obama's too ambitious goals, and an unsavory campaign of race-baiting, and demonizing by many of his supporters, has only split the party. Now we are faced with the prospect that Rove, and the repugs, have outfoxed the Dem party once more. When the red states Obama has won, end up squarely in the pocket of McCain, then, and only then, will the buyers remorse finally hit home. If the nominee, I'll vote Obama, but I won't be as confident in victory as with HRC. There is however, without knowing anything substantive about Obama, and with nothing to take the measure of the man, perhaps a fifty-fifty chance, he may turn out to be a good president, if he can withstand the right-wing machine who's capabilities are well-known to most Democrats. There is, in a shoot yourself in the foot, sort of way, hope. Thanks.
quickesst

[BootinUp]

11. I hardly knew him

before he decided to run and attack her character.

[scheming daemons]

20. Her actions defined her character, not Obama's words....

[TheDudeAbides]

12. I was an Obama supporter

until I did some research and realized
o He is not the second coming of Martin Luther King
o The Obama "brand" conflicts with the real "man"
o He is more of a Cult leader than a President

[Utah_liberal]

13. Cult Leader?

You've been listening to Rush Limbaugh or something if you think that. People just get fired up around him. Some people act like he's some kind of Rock Star I agree, but Cult Leader? Give me a break.

[Beacool]

14. I always thought that Obama was an inexperienced rookie

who should have waited to run until he actually had a proven record to fall back on. He may win the nomination and even the WH, but I still think that he's the most inexperienced candidate of the 15 who were running in both parties. He was near the bottom of my list. Except for Gravel, I would have gladly voted for any other of the Democrats who were running if they won the nomination.

I don't feel that way about Obama. I'm appalled that a man who practically started running for president the minute he stepped into the US senate is going to be our nominee.

[scheming daemons]

19. Ah... the old "he should have waited his turn" argument.....

...this isn't a union. You don't get promoted because of "seniority".


Harry Truman told John Kennedy in 1960 to "wait his turn". He didn't listen to Truman.... and he shouldn't have.

[Beacool]

21. JFK had a record, he had been in Congress for 14 years.

Obama? The state senate (big deal) and 2 years in the US senate before he started running.

[Utah_liberal]

26. Obama was near the bottom of my list too.

But that doesn't mean we should not get behind the DEMOCRAT. Your words sound almost identical to what I heard from Mitt Romney on TV yesterday.

[emilyg]

31. He's still at the very bottom of my list.

[Straight Shooter]

17. I was neutral to him.

Until I found out Robert Gibbs was his communications director. That put him in the negative zone, where he remains.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

22. never knew the man before his US senate win and hearing his speech in Boston

and still not much has been revealed of him other then his bonehead judgments of friends and ministers.

He pretty much remains a blank slate

I for one am not willing to vote on an unknown

too much is at risk

[Utah_liberal]

25. So I take it your for McCain.

If you take your statement literally, I guess we call that a vote for McCain, even though you are a posting on (DEMOCRATIC) Underground.
I don't know about you, but I'd vote for Captain Kangaroo if he were the Democratic nominee over the REPUBLICAN nominee McCain. Am I missing something with this board being for Democrats?
Too Much is as risk.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. shove your guess

[Utah_liberal]

30. Whoa there, No need to get impolite

I don't have much of a posting history here, but I can assure you I never told someone to shove it, nor have I ever been rude on a post to a fellow democrat. Sorry if I interpreted your statement wrong. I'd love nothing more than my guess to be totally wrong.
Ed

[Forkboy]

27. "too much is at risk"...which you seem oblivious too.

Though that isn't exactly an unexpected development.

[roseBudd]

34. Right but you don't mind the known MCCain an attitude like that enables

So don't vote for an unknown even though the known McCain is perfectly horrid.

Too much at risk.

[jillan]

29. Never been in love with Obama. Never.

[rodeodance]

35. no, not at all.

[NashVegas]

36. No One Here

I liked what I saw of Obama, I was curious about him, but that was about it. In the primaries, initially, John Edwards was my candidate.

Obama got scratched off my potentials list with his talk about Ronald Reagan. Otherwise, I thought he and Hillary were both corporate candidates and pretty much equal.

When Edwards dropped out and it was just those two, all things being equal, I voted for HC with no rancor for BO.

Unfortunately, the tenor of his campaign, their tactics of using women against women ... imagine the howls if people went around saying, "I'd love to vote for a black man, just not THAT black man."

Right now, it seems as though one of his campaign themes is that it's time to do something for black people, like electing him president is going wipe the slate clean. I don't need to vote for Obama to feel like I'm doing something for black people.

There are black people in my family and we love each other dearly. If he gets the nomination, and wins in November, I won't have the joy for them (or myself) that I would have had if Hillary Clinton had not been subjected to such outrageous double standards. That's all.