Overall a big loss for Clinton tonight...

[Zachstar]

Now yes she has won Indiana. And Congrats on doing so.

Yet several factors have combined to make tonight a VERY VERY bad night for her campaign.

#1 Obama's LARGE victory in NC giving him a GREAT deal of delegates and more important the popular vote gains.

#2 Indiana could not be called as quickly as PA.

#3 Clinton had to fiddle around with sorta saying it was a victory when few projected her to win. She lost the chance to make a really big victory speech and he did it right on the edge of the time she could to reach a serious amount of viewers on TV. This means that her big donation drive after PA will not happen with Indiana.

#4 There was MUCH confusion as hours went on.

#5 Papers are already being printed with Clinton's win not in bold print but them saying it could go anywhere. Meaning the first thing people read tomorrow will be Obama victory and Clinton maybe.

#6 It helped validate that when Clinton canceled everything tomorrow. This is a double whammy as it means more confusion and the loss of a day of serious airtime. She may get a few of them back but overall the chaos will mean a wasted day.

#7 Only the night owls know of her victory right now. Meaning people tomorrow will hear about it on the news in the morning and not be very fired up about it.

#8 Only 22 thousand and 2 percent means that it was a "Virtual Win" for Obama Who can afford such losses from here on out as the number to win in EVERY state to catch Obama goes into astronomical levels.

#9 Depending on prior words with supers in the past. A 2 percent win is likely not enough to satisfy the argument and will likely mean some will go to Obama which combined with supers that had planned to come to Obama regardless will mean her super lead will likely vanish within 1-2 weeks.


Enjoy the celebrations Clinton Supporters.. Yet realize that tonight has been one of the worst nights for Clinton is a good while.

[HughMoran]

1. You mean losing the nomination?

You think that's a big deal?

:rofl:

[Arrowhead2k1]

6. Yeah I know!

Really, she's not going to let little things like delegate math and rules get in her way. Be afraid, be very afraid.

[Zachstar]

25. I do not think that is correct.

I think she will exit June 3

[mkultra]

2. he erased PA and IN and gained some to boot

[Zachstar]

4. We will know that in a few days but for sure he has cut them to minimum levels.

[still_one]

3. You forgot, she is out of money /nt

[Zachstar]

7. Yes. She is likely out of money.

Which makes tonight even worse.

She has likely dumped a good deal of her warchest defending Indiana leads. Those shank and top of that her victory speech was before she got a victory and pretty late so she will not raise much.

Obama is very likely to raise more money in the next week than Clinton because of his big NC win and timely speech.

[TahitiNut]

5. Long walk. Short pier.

Splash. :shrug:

[Zachstar]

23. That was unneeded TahitiNut

[Robeson]

8. Politically, she lost Indiana. She had to win it BIG. She didn't....

...It was a draw. Hence, she lost. Let's try not to forget that.

[Zachstar]

10. Yes but as Obama supporters we need to now expect this to go till June.

Which I now figure to be the plan all along because there is a chance he can lose Kentucky even if Clinton exits. And at that point we mise well figure out how the rest of them will go.

We need to be thankful for tonight and work HARD towards victory in June!

Please phonebank tomorrow!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

[thewiseguy]

16. This wont go until June. This is over.

There is no reason for this to drag on. I am sure the Clintons understand that as well. She should have upset Obama in NC and not only that did not happen but she barely got a victory in Indiana thanks to Rush.

In fact Montana and South Dakota will never come to play. Because by then Obama would have hit his magic number for the pledge delegate lead.

[Zachstar]

17. They get to vote. One reaching the number does not mean the others have to exit at once.

It is just a month. We can deal with it. We have worked hard for so long and I believe one more month will do good to prepare us for the GE.

[thewiseguy]

19. No the focus should be on McCain. This race is over.

We need to raise money for the GE. Spend money for the GE. We cant waste our time fighting a race that has ended.

[Zachstar]

22. We have to do so.

Look I hate to say it as well but there is a rather large chance that Kentucky will give obama a loss even if Clinton exited.

And while I would love for Obama to pull his name off the ballot so people can write in whatever they want. I do not think that is easy to do so close to the primary.

And at that point if Clinton exited the remaining states may be cheated because everyone else got their shot. And the attention.

It has to happen. We have to continue to work for another month. It is too late for Clinton to exit before the primary season ends.

[JCMach1]

9. Her campaign is over... She should should suspend her campaign

but not withdraw tomorrow...

[Zachstar]

13. Depends

[last1standing]

11. It's very possible that winning Indiana will help her leave sooner.

After everyone realized that Clinton's win would be extremely narrow if she had a win at all, the pundits spoke about how she would probably stay in till WV or KY in order to leave on a high note, aka after a win. Since this is a technical win she just may decide to quit now and save what little money is still left. No one will be sending in cash at this point and she knows it so why throw more away on a mathematical impossibility?

I stand by my prediction that she bows out on Friday.

[Zachstar]

12. Perhaps but I think the party is going to ask her to stay.

If Obama loses a state when he is the only one running it will be bad for him in the GE.

So I think this is going till June. Clinton has no reason to exit if the party asks her to stay.

[last1standing]

14. That's possible but if she isn't actively running it's really the same as quitting.

And I can't see her actively running from this point on. That would take non-existent cash.

[Zachstar]

15. If her campaign is not listed as suspended then it is active.

She can go home and play video games till the convention and it will still be listed as active until she suspends it.

[last1standing]

21. Ummm...OK. I think we agree then.

n/t

[Zachstar]

24. Indeed!

[Cha]

18. Yeah, it's definitly about

hilary and how it will effect her personally.. must make sure hilary leaves on a high note. HOw high is that?

[last1standing]

20. It's a power play as well as a tie-in for 2012.

By going out on a high note she has a better hand to play in the negotiations that will be a part of her quitting. Also, as she thinks she is the only one who can really win the white house she she believes that she'll be able to use her magnanimous gesture in 2012 to line up more support.

[TheFarseer]

28. So Obama has to win the General

or else she will be back in 2012????

[Zachstar]

26. Kick

[Doityourself]

27. Two words for you Zachster: Go Bama!

[Zachstar]

29. Yes we can!!

Please Phonebank!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/