Say it with me OBAMA/CLARK! OBAMA/CLARK! OBAMA/CLARK!

[wndycty]

These two compliment each other so f'ing well. Smart as shit, both handsome, one young and Black, the other older and white. One a college professor, civil rights attorney, community organizer and US Senator, the other a West Point grad, Rhodes Scholar, decorated Vietnam war vet, former Supreme Allied Comander of NATO and anti-Iraq/Iran war 4 star general.

Clark's loyalty to Hillary is an asset when it comes to uniting the party.

Who is with me?

OBAMA/CLARK! OBAMA/CLARK! OBAMA/CLARK!

[scheming daemons]

1. Webb Webb Webb Webb Webb Webb Webb Webb Webb

[George_Bonanza]

But Webb's victory over George Allen was sooo sweet!

I don't want to undo that great moment in political history.

[MattNC]

11. Webb's doing a great job

in his Senate seat - tough call on having him give that up.

[newmajority]

18. Two senators on a ticket is suicide.

Webb is actually a great asset to us right where he is. He can keep denouncing the fucked up foreign policy as long as Chimp is still in the White House.

As for Clark...... not sure about that one yet. I wouldn't rule him out, but I have obvious reservations about someone so firmly in the Clinton camp.

[Boz]

35. Richardson is the Balanced ticket, I like Webb, but he wants to stay and fight for laws from the

Floor

[K8-EEE]

63. I agree! And Webb outranks McCain! n/t

[Clark2008]

72. Don't want to lose that Senate seat, though.

[The Magistrate]

2. That, My Friend, Would Be A Killer Ticket!

[PoliticalAmazon]

71. NIGHTMARE ticket! If OBama chose a loayal Hillary supporter as VP...

...it would make a lie everything OBama has campaigned on.

You can't effect real change in D.C. when you're anchored down with a status-quo advocate who supported Hillary in her pig-slop Bush/Rove status-quo politics.

It would also mean that, despite everything OBama said about wanting to change the way politics were run in the election (i.e., avoiding Bush/Rove politics), Obama was willing to sacrifice his principles for political expediency.

I think Obama has to avoid tainting himself with Hillary in any way, shape or form. Clark stood by Hillary through all of her lies, bullshit attacks, and campaign gimmicks. He endorsed her style of politics with his support. Clark would taint Obama's campaign, and Obama should keep Hillary and ALL of her politician supporters at arm's length during the election.

[The Magistrate]

88. Let Us Be Serious For A Moment, Ma'am

Sen. Obama enjoys the sponsorship and backing of the Daley machine here in Chicago. These people have been accused of many things, but no one has ever stooped to accusing them of practicing 'new politics' or any such nonesense. Sen. Obama has run an extraordinarily tricky campaign, that has relied in the usual measure on distortion of his opponent's positions and actions and statements, and behind scenes arm-twisting and disbursement of funds. As the beaming ad-man says in the ancient cartoon: "The 'NEW!" on the package, that's what's new!" The idea a well-regarded figure like Gen. Clark would somehow 'taint' Sen. Obama is an exercise in low humor, and not a serious statement.

"Morte Wars! Less Jobs! McCain '08"

[PoliticalAmazon]

98. May I suggest you get serious. Obama has campaigned on changing politics....

Clark has loyally supported, and endorsed with his support, political tactics that are even WORSE than Bush/Rove.

He can't have it both ways: Obama can't claim he's changing politics in D.C. while embracing someone who supported the exact-same politics Obama has promised to change.

Obama would be labeled a hypocrite and liar if he chose Clark as VP.

Hillary's politics steadily tanked her approval numbers. Voters indicated they didn't like her politics and that it was one of the reasons they voted for OBama.

The reason Richardson and Andrew endorsed Obama was because they did not want to be associated with Hillary's politics, and were attracted to Obama's approach to politics.

Again, I suggest YOU get serious. To bring Clark in as VP would cut Obama off at the ankles.

I understand you like Clark, but he chose to support Hillary's pig-slop politics, and now he must suffer the consequences.

We really have a chance with Obama to change things in D.C. but not if we embrace Hillary's politics by bringing on one of her loyalists, Clark.

[The Magistrate]

102. People Campaign On a Lot Of Things, Ma'am: Politics Does Not Change

The best argument for considering Sen. Obama a fit campaigner for the general election is that he has been successful in convincing people this 'New Politics' line conveys actual meaning, when any clear-eyed examination of the course of the campaign shows all the familiar old pug-marks of the ancient trade, including familiar local wrinkles....

"More Wars! Less Jobs! McCain '08"

[rocktivity]

3. They were my orignal "dream ticket"

but I don't like the idea of a DLC pipeline into the Obama oval office.

:headbang:
rocknation

[PoliticalAmazon]

75. A DLC piepline into the OBama oval office is what we would have if he chose Clark as VP.,,,

...Clark's support of Hillary and her Rove/Bush politics has tainted him. Obama cannot afford to be a hypocrite by, for political expediency, bringing on someone who supports the Rove/Bush politics that OBama said he wouldn't do.

[ShortnFiery]

4. No WAY! A general? Anthony Zinni (against the invasion BEFORE) or Biden

[wndycty]

16. 2 things. . .

1) Clark has campaign trail experience

2) Its in Obama's interest to take a Hillary loyalist. Hell, Clark is the only with a shred of integrity left.

[faithfulcitizen]

5. Me- OBAMA/CLARK!

[PoliticalAmazon]

107. Thanks for your slap in the face to all the Dem politicians who took a risk....

stood up to the Clintons' vindictiveness and pressure to support Obama.

Politicians like Clarke want to have it all: still be palsy with the Clintons yet reap the benefits that the politicians who stood by Obama through thick and thin deserve.

[NewHampshireDem]

6. Say it loud and proud!

Goddam right, Obama/Clark!

[sellitman]

7. Obama/ Kennedy

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[NightWatcher]

8. Nunn Nunn Nunn Nunn

takes the teeth out of any criticism from the right about experience or statesmanship. I know he has his faults, but still

[babylonsister]

9. No No No No. Was Perot's guy Stockton? I still think Obama will

pick the best candidate for him.

[high density]

10. That's a great ticket for me

But I don't know if Clark wants to be anybody's VP.

[DerekJ]

12. Yes/No Yes/No Yes/No Yes/No Yes/No

[TheWraith]

13. I agree entirely.

Clark is really an excellent compliment to Obama. Clark also has that added ability to be a little bit of a hard-ass when he needs to be: good cop, bad cop.

[goclark]

14. I could get behind that one

That should make the Clinton people pleased and he is a smart man.

I don't recall him participating in the rough stuff of the campaign.

[PatGund]

17. Oh hell to the yes!!

I'm SO behind that idea!!

[Crunchy Frog]

19. OBAMA/CLARK!

[democrat2thecore]

20. Would he be loyal to Obama though? It would be a great ticket - I agree. -nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. Yes

Or he would not agree to run with Obama. Clark has a lot of integrity. He fully understands what working as a team means and if he can't do that effectively and with loyalty he would not join that team.

[democrat2thecore]

42. You make a very good point. Chain of command, military thing. You're probably right. -nt

[RichardRay]

84. 100% right. If Clark agreed to the ticket, it would be gold.

If he couldn't be 100%, he wouldn't do it. In his own way, Clark is as much about a new kind of politics as Senator Obama is; I don't always agree with him, but I do trust him.

[roguevalley]

67. he is loyal to the party and its aims. he is a good man of integrity.

yes, he would be loyal.

[tabasco]

21. Clark showed bad judgment by backing a candidate who caved on the IWR.

I can't support any candidate who was not unequivocably against the goddamn Iraq war.

Most Democrats had the good sense to vote against it.

I lost a lot of respect for Clark when he backed H. Clinton.

[BayouBengal07]

22. I would LOVE Obama/Clark...

That would be AWESOME.

[PoliticalAmazon]

108. Thanks for taking a dump on the Dem politicians who took a risk and supported Obama....

Politicians like Clarke want to have it both ways: they want to be palsy with the Clintons but reap the rewards of a VP selection which should rightfully go to one of the many loyal politicians who supported Obama.

[Adelante]

23. Obama/Clark nt

[tokenlib]

24. On resumes--Clark trumps almost everyone..n/t

[abburdlen]

25. I'll vote for that!

in fact that's one of my top three picks for a VP

[saracat]

26. Never. It would be an insult to Clark.

[OzarkDem]

44. why would he want to hitch his reputation to a doomed campaign?

There's always 2012. Let's hope we can still keep a Dem majority in Congress in November, too. Obama has already demonstrated that he has no coattails.

[Divine Discontent]

46. saracat....

so negative. :(

[newmajority]

100. The mask has certainly come off that one, hasn't it?

Though, sadly, I'm sure we'll see even worse rants today.

[malik flavors]

27. Yea, this pretty much has to happen. It's the only way.

[MrSlayer]

28. I would be thrilled with Obama/Clark.

Thrilled, I tell you.

[comrade snarky]

29. Woo! Damn Right

Obama\Clark!

Webb would be good, I like him a lot but he may be a bit socially conservative for me.

[Tatiana]

30. You KNOW I am with you wndy! n/t

[JBoy]

31. Obama/Clark would be a good ticket.

[Frances]

32. I like Clark and Webb

I think Clark has the right temperament to be vp, and I agree that his ties to the Clintons would be a plus in bringing in Clinton supporters

Webb doesn't have the right temperament to be vp (I'm sure he'd agree), but I think he would take the military vote from McCain. I also think he would have greater appeal to white blue-collar voters than Clark.

I think Virginia would definitely go Dem if it was an Obama-Webb ticket. Obama-Webb would be the strongest ticket for North Carolina as well, though I think it would be hard for any Dem to win that state in a Presidential election.

I hope Obama's people are spending lots of time researching the best candidate.

[ShortnFiery]

34. Clark is nothing special. His soldiers did NOT respect him.

I don't trust him. :thumbsdown:

Now General (ret.) Anthony Zinni was against the Iraqi Invasion and was a well respected ME envoy.

Zinni's the real deal, Clark's a poseur. I would have to massively hold my nose to have CLARK on the ticket. :thumbsdown:

[Clark2008]

79. Your stupidity is showing...

Most of Clark's soldiers campaigned for him in 2004.

He was also against the invasion BEFORE it happened (read his Congressional testimony).

And, I don't trust you - you don't know very much. I had to hold my nose to write to you.

[truebrit71]

81. Sorry but that is complete horseshit...

...Clark's a poseur? Really? A wounded combat vet, four star General, silver star winning former Allied Commander is a "poseur"?

You are out of your tiny fucking mind if you really think that...

[Clark2008]

83. LOL!

That made me laugh. :D

I think that poster is out of their mind - or doesn't know how to Google.

[Quixote1818]

36. I am with you 100%. NT

[KAZ]

37. K&R from me!

[merh]

38. I love that ticket

Wes Clark is an awesome man.

[rwheeler31]

39. no

[hokies4ever]

40. Hillary threw Wes Clark under the bus

when she pandered his name during the ABC debate. I thought that it was hilarious when the camera panned in on, him he looked like he wanted to disappear into his chair. He wanted nothing to do with that debate or Hillary mentioning his name.

[meow mix]

41. im ok with that

sounds good =)

[Tinksrival]

43. OHHHH !!!

I would be in heaven!!! Unite the Clarkies!!!

[Pawel K]

47. I would absolutely love that.

[prolesunited]

48. You know something we don't?

:shrug:

[Phoonzang]

49. Sebellius

Needs a woman.

[appal_jack]

50. Absolutely!

Obama/Clark!

-app

[FrenchieCat]

51. He was vetted in 2004. He would be perfect, IMO.

War Hero, photogenic, not really an insider, politic campaigning experience, etc.....

[Cali_Democrat]

60. Yikes!!

You sure Frenchie? Some of the things he said about Obama really pissed me off. He echoed Hillary's bullshit that Obama wasn't ready to be Commander in Chief. If he was VP, couldn't those clips be played over and over again? The repukes would say..."even you're own VP says you're not ready to be Commander in Chief." I have my reservations about Clark.

[Demobrat]

52. Clark was a loser 4 years ago when the war was still popular

and it made sense to run on military experience. He has nothing to offer Obama now.

[Hatalles]

53. Laurence O'Donnell on MSNBC: Wesley Clark likely to be Obama's possible VP candidate.

Stated just a few min ago...

[faithfulcitizen]

56. hey you beat me- hehe

[faithfulcitizen]

54. Lawrence ODonnell on MSNBC just said it WILL be Wes Clark, for political expedience.

just his opinion obviously.

[FrenchieCat]

55. Would be good because Wes can bring in those seniors......

and he's about as patriotic as one could find. :patriot:

[Clark2008]

80. And, there was an early morning thread that said that Clark

called Hillary last night and told her to get out - it was over.

Who knows?

:shrug:

[mkultra]

57. clak nuetralizes McCains only ace

[TheDonkey]

65. pretty much. If McCain tries slinking on to stage and talk about vietnam Clark will walk out

and put McLame to shame.

[Qutzupalotl]

58. I supported Clark in '04

like many here. I loved him up until his attack on Obama. I thought it went too far. I lost a lot of respect for him and could only get it back if he explains his statement well.

But Obama/Clark would be a killer ticket. They actually are not dissimilar, temperamentally and politically.

[wndycty]

66. Actually his attacks on Obama help. . .

. . .and it gives Obama an opportunity to recalibrate any foreign policy deficiencies.

[Hutzpa]

59. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY


don't get me started, you and what the fuck his name (Lawrence Odonnell) is can
go dance in the living room about Wes Clark being on the ticket.

No FUCKING WAY!!



:grr: :grr:

[Terran]

109. Um....okay.

Why? Just asking.

[Brundle_Fly]

61. I am not a Clarkie

but watching him straighten up the pentagon and CIA would be super enjoyable.

[screembloodymurder]

90. Clark's a man mouse.

Didn't anyone watch him in the debates? He didn't open his mouth.

[renate]

62. hella yes

Be still my heart.... :loveya:

Brains, military background, diplomatic experience, dedication to duty and to America, did I mention brains?... what a fantastic combination.

Admittedly I'm a teeny bit biased. :)

[JCMach1]

64. Clark has the inside track for sure...

[seabeyond]

68. i think so too. visually.... very sharp. personality, experience, strengths and weakness

all fit perfectly

i agree

[Kitsune]

69. Meh. Clark never wowed me.

But, I'd actually cast a vote for Obama/Clark.

This is not the case with any ticket with a Clinton on it.

[Medusa]

70. Clark is a Clinton Flunkie. Hell No.

Hell fucking no.

[SoonerPride]

73. Obama / Clark !

I'm with you.

I posted that idea a month ago. Still a fan of it.

[DevonRex]

74. I could get on board with that. nt

[cindyw]

76. Im feelin' that ticket all the way.

[rocktivity]

77. Clark/Obama was my original '08 dream ticket

I made this as soon as I sobered up from the Nov. '06 election victories:

But he has since embraced Hillary: wouldn't be be a DLC pipleline?



:headbang:
rocknation

[Clark2008]

82. Clark's a friend of the Clinton's, but he's not DLC

Clark's policy papers from 2004 would piss the DLC off because they would actually help people and not big business.

:hi:

[dysfunctional press]

78. Richardson. Clark is a clintonite in sheep's clothing(if sheep wear black turtlenecks).

i've always been a very big clark fan- he was my first choice for candidate last time around...BUT- he's too closely allied with the clinton camp and therefore the dlc. i wish that he was eligible to be secretary of defense- but he's not.
how about secretary of state?

[Clark2008]

86. He's not DLC, though.

He's simply a friend of the Clinton's.

And, as pointed out upthread, he has oodles of integrity. If he didn't think he could be loyal to an Obama Administration, he wouldn't accept VP or Sec. of State (although he'd rock at either).

[dysfunctional press]

103. all the same- i'd just like to keep "the military" out of the executive branch for now...

if nothing else, just for appearances sake as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

[futureliveshere]

85. This would be an Unbeatable ticket.

[mystieus]

87. Obama/Kathleen Sebelius

[screembloodymurder]

89. NOooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Clark would be a horrible match. Obama needs the Biden experience.

[Johnny Battleground]

92. He needs more than Biden...

I'd say Sam Nunn

[Johnny Battleground]

91. Oh No, Oh No, Oh No...

Nothing will help prop up Obama.
Hope
Change
Unity
Wright

= End of story.

Super Delegates Vote Hillary

[musiclawyer]

93. Guilty by association should not disqualify Clark

He simply backed the favorite; but that was the wrong horse. He's never dissed Obama, not been an active mudslinger. For all we know he might have been appalled at some of these tactics. At the very least, Obama should inquire. Clark is a law and order guy, he takes care of himself-- could probably kick guys ass 30 years younger EIGHT years from now. He's got to be on the short list for all the reasons stated above.

[ShortnFiery]

94. No, but like HRC, Gen (ret) Clark was A OK by the Iraqi invasion. IMO he's a "NO GO" for VP

Clark is highly intelligent and pretty but he was FOR THE IRAQI INVASION.

He's nothing special, IMO, just another spring-butt retired General Officer.


NOW, if you want a retired General Officer who is HIGHLY RESPECTED former Marine by both his troops and the civilian power players ... a man who was Gen (ret) Anthony Zinni (USMC) was AGAINST the Iraqi Invasion BEFORE hand. :patriot:

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/zinni.html

Comments of Gen. Anthony Zinni (ret.) during a speech before the Florida Economic Club, Aug. 23, 2002:

Attacking Iraq now will cause a lot of problems. I think the debate right now that's going on is very healthy. If you ask me my opinion, Gen. Scowcroft, Gen. Powell, Gen. Schwarzkopf, Gen. Zinni, maybe all see this the same way.

It might be interesting to wonder why all the generals see it the same way, and all those that never fired a shot in anger and really hell-bent to go to war see it a different way. That's usually the way it is in history. (Crowd laughter.)

But let me tell you what the problem is now as I see it. You need to weigh this: what are your priorities in the region? That's the first issue in my mind.

The Middle East peace process, in my mind, has to be a higher priority. Winning the war on terrorism has to be a higher priority. More directly, the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Central Asia need to be resolved, making sure Al Qaeda can't rise again from the ashes that are destroyed.

Taliban cannot come back. That the warlords can't regain power over Kabul and Karzai, and destroy everything that has happened so far.


Ladies and Gentleman of DU: General (Ret) Anthony Zinni, is THE GENUINE ARTICLE. :thumbsup:

[Tom Rinaldo]

106. No he was not. You don't need to distort truth to push your guy.

It's fine with me if you don't like Clark for any number of reasons. But former Clark supporters, of whom Obama now has many of in his camp, know all of the ways in which Clark's adversaries have in the past pulled little bits and pieces of lies distortions and half truths together to paint Clark as a supporter of the Iraq invasion, though he in reality was an influential opponent of it whom many Senators credit with helping them oppose Bush at the time.

Today is an excellent day to be an Obama supporter, but no one at this point can say who he would want as a VP choice. There is no reason to open up divisive fights over this again now.

[Norwood]

95. Clark!

Webb would also be a great running mate but we really need that seat in Virginia.

[wrando]

97. don't like Obama but

Wes Clark is the only candidate I ever gave money to

he wasn't ready before, but he is an impressive guy

bill from ct

[davsand]

96. Oh yeah, I can get behind that ticket!

I was scared shitless that Clark was gonna announce this year anyhow, because I did not want to have to choose between him or Obama (we may have had this conversation at one point already...) I'd love to see those two running together.



Laura

[wndycty]

99. That would be a beautiful thing

:kick:

[tokenlib]

101. But can he shoot hoops--

Actually I remember he used to swim a lot to stay fit....

[Larry in KC]

105. No, but there's a great reason why...

He can't balance the ball well with the hand injury he got being hit by four Viet Cong AK47 rounds. He was a state champion swimmer, though, and still swims about a mile every day, fast.

[mod mom]

104. I much prefer Jim Webb!

[hfojvt]

110. OBAMA/CLARK! OCLAMA/BARK! OLAMA/NARK!

Tanj! I hate keyboard twisters. :argh:

[returnable]

111. You know I love Wes, wndy, but...

...if he wouldn't accept the VP nod in '04, why would he this time around?

Other than that, I think that would be a dream ticket...

:kick:

[merkins]

112. OBAMA/RICHARDSON! OBAMA/RICHARDSON! OBAMA/RICHARDSON!

OBAMA/RICHARDSON!

[sampsonblk]

113. That's the ticket! - nt