Obama supporters - please do not gloat or carry on a Hillary campaign "death watch"

[EffieBlack]

Not only is it premature, it is also unseemly, cruel and just plain tacky.

Yes, it does not look good for her prospects. But there is no reason to twist the knife or expect her to drop out of the race tonight - or tomorrow or Thursday.

This woman has worked her ass off for a year and a half (and longer) and it is very possible that the goal she has focused on may have moved out of her reach in the last couple of hours. This must be very painful, frustrating and disheartening for her and her supporters. Whatever you think about Hillary and her campaign, she and her supporters truly believe that she is a better candidate than Obama and would make a better president than he or McCain ever would.

So, please - don't be petty. If she believes that she doesn't have a chance, she will come to that on her own and in her own good time. In the meantime, there is no need to pile on or demand that she do something on your time schedule.

We're Democrats. We're supposed to be the good guys. We're supposed to be good, decent people who don't take pleasure in other people's pain. Let's start behaving that way.

My two cents.

[4themind]

1. K & R

Well said effie, if we win, we should do so graciously, if we expect the other side to do the same.

[Kittycat]

2. Really? Because at this point it's unseemly and cruel to the Party

for her to continue down this path.

I'm all for working with HRC supporters to come together, but she has got to go - NOW.

[L0oniX]

3. Seconded

[EffieBlack]

5. What difference does it make if she drops out now or next week?

Obama isn't demanding her immediate withdrawal - why are you?

[Colobo]

10. Obama needs to focus on McCain. Hillary is a distraction we Dems can't afford.

[EffieBlack]

20. And you think a few days will make a difference?

Again, I point out - Obama is not calling for her withdrawal. Why don't his supporters follow his lead?

[Frances]

14. It is better for Hillary to stay in the race until AFTER

West Virginia and Kentucky, which she will probably win whether she drops out or not.

If Hillary were to win those races AFTER she had dropped out, the losses would look much worse for Obama than if she continues campaigning in those states. (I understand that Clinton is already on the ballot in those states.)

[Ice-9]

22. I agree with your sentiment,

but I still think we need to try our best to be the bigger people in this. That's one of the things I like about Senator Obama. He has risen above the base politics that Senator Clinton plays and has made what I believe are genuine peace offerings to those who disagree with him. Even if he lost the opportunity to score points in the short run, I think that strategy has paid off for him in the long run. It's a good example for us to follow.
:toast:

[LVjinx]

51. Continued contest = continued voter excitment = continued registration

There is no measure by which Hillary can win the nomination. I expect her to stay in the race, but to acknowledge Obama is the presumptive nominee. She has to do her part in mending fences, too. But so too must Obama supporters stop treating her like the devil. We will need to present a united front against McCain.

[Frances]

4. Agree--it's best for Obama for his supporters to be as

conciliatory as Obama was in his North Carolina victory speech tonight.

Obama was doing what I have advised all along; he's reaching out to Hillary supporters and making McCain the focus on his attention.

Obama will be our nominee. It's time to bring in the Hillary supporters with carrots, not sticks, so we can win the general election.

If we do that, I give you....President Obama!

[sandnsea]

6. If we don't make a scene, she will

all the way to Denver. It was over weeks ago, most certainly when she actually lost Texas. She keeps going because we won't scream at the media and make them tell the truth about her loss. You keep playing nice, and we'll still have this mess in August. She lost. She needs to go.

[pnwmom]

28. By making a scene or gloating, Obama people alienate HRC's supporters.

Which is dumb, if we're looking ahead to November.

[cboy4]

30. Yea, that's why she's staying in the race....because DUers

aren't screaming at the media. :spray:

OMFG :crazy:

[bigwillq]

7. Very nice post.

:thumbsup:

[bluestateguy]

8. Gloating is for November, not the primaries

I hope that we can all gloat together with the election of a Democratic president.

[swag]

9. Now that's some presumptuous moralizing.

"Her own good time," indeed.

The rest of us just have to live here.

[QC]

11. Careful--they'll turn on you. It'll be a scene right out of Lord of the Flies! n/t

[EffieBlack]

15. I don't think anyone of us can imagine what she must be dealing with right now

This has to be enormously difficult and painful for her.

[QC]

23. I agree, and your post is very classy.

I just expect that you will catch hell from those who love to gloat and taunt.

[Umbram]

42. Well...you took the opportunity to show how classy it was

by attacking Obama supporters with your "Lord of the Flies" reference.

Maybe you should simply mirror the OP's class, and show a little of your own, rather than being insulting in a thread about unity?

[QC]

44. But I was right. The usual suspects did indeed turn on one of Obama's strongest and smartest

supporters here simply because she called for some class.

This place really has been Lord of the Flies for months now, and it's long since gotten old.

[Umbram]

47. So, you contribute to the problem in the hopes you'll be right.

Gotcha.

[QC]

50. Um, no. Look at the numbers of the posts.

Or, better yet, find something productive to do with your time, rather than nitpicking about who posted what when and why.

[high density]

12. Tacky was the candidate that is way behind saying "On to the White House"

THAT is tacky.

[DAGDA56]

13. Very reasonable, Effie...yet there are two or three Clinton people I

just want to slap (verbally)...must-show-restraint.

[Frances]

24. When you get upset, just listen to Obama's North Carolina

speech again.

If Obama's supporters don't take his lead in how to treat Hillary supporters, Obama loses the general election. It's that simple.

So, it's better to keep tempers in check and save our anger for the only competitor who matters, and that's McCain.

[crankychatter]

16. yessum

x(

[BlooInBloo]

17. Sorry. She says the fight goes on, so the fight goes on. It goes on until she says she's done....

And not a singe second before that.

[Frances]

27. It takes two to fight

The best way to get Hillary out of the picture is to ignore her.

If Obama supporters do what Obama did tonight and take the fight to McCain, air is sucked out of Hillary's campaign.

By the way, I think Hillary would be a very good President. It's just that Obama has shown that he is the better candidate.

[BlooInBloo]

46. Nope. Can't have the little terrier nipping behind you hamstringing you...

.... Allowing the seeds of doubt and disunity to fester.

It's over when she says it's over, and not a moment before.

[DS1]

18. If some Clinton people continue to say that Obama is fixing the vote

all bets are off, and I'll post the nastiest shit against them I can muster.

[myrna minx]

19. K&R Effie.

Congratulations to Hillary, her family and her supporters for he hard fought victories. :grouphug:

[Tatiana]

21. I'm over Hillary. Let's pay off her campaign debt and wish her well. n/t

[Ice-9]

25. Thanks for that.

:thumbsup:

[bridgit]

26. Effie I agree with you, but that cat has long since been out of that bag

and scampered off

[Orangepeel]

29. *applause*

I think you are right, especially if she keeps making speeches like the one she made tonight. I respect her right to keep running, but she shouldn't try to do anything else to hurt Obama.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Premature? You've got to be kidding me.

The party needs to be saved. Fuck your niceties.

[EffieBlack]

41. What a charming response.

[Yukari Yakumo]

32. Can we link or mention Slate's HRC Deathwatch?

It's at about 12% before today, but I expect that to plummet tomorrow or Thursday.

[samsingh]

33. let's remember that we're still all on the same side

repugs are the enemy

[wisteria]

34. I have no intention of doing any of that. n/t

[MindMatter]

35. As soon as she concedes

And confirms that she no longer intends to mount an offensive to divide the convention.

And stops teaming up with the Scaifes and Limbaughs of the world.

At that point, I'm sure everyone will welcome a new tone from both sides. But until that happene, she deserves what she gets.

[totodeinhere]

36. Look, if she really cares about the Dem party then she needs to concede now.

But if she doesn't give a damn about the party and continues to scheme and plot a method to steal the nomination from Senator Obama, then as far as I'm concerned she deserves everything that she gets from her detractors.

[Kurt Remarque]

43. clinton is the one who is being "tacky"

not that i support the war in any way but she sounds like that saddam insider who was crawling out of rubble to declare victory (forgot his name.)

[Exultant Democracy]

37. See I ended the death watch that I started on SUper Tuesday tongiht. It is over.

[Bonobo]

38. Agreed 100%! K&R!

[democrattotheend]

39. Agreed 100%

Please, Obama supporters, be classy.

[bluedawg12]

40. Don't bother- trash talking about opponents supporters brings unity. n/t

[Umbram]

45. This is what I find funny.

You have a problem with some Obama supporters, so you move into positive Obama supporter threads and attack Obama supporters.

So...you have a problem with the lack of unity, so you come into a "lets unify" thread and shit on it.

Intelligent.

[Meshuga]

48. You have my support

And I don't believe it is over until it's over. Clinton supporters have reason to be worried but the way this election is going you never know what will happen.

[Jed Dilligan]

49. There is no further reason to attack her whatsoever

until such time as her Senate seat is challenged by a better progressive.

[eridani]

52. Indeed. Everyone who is doing the 'sore winner' thing--

--should just cut it the fuck OUT, right now! You know who you are.

[RB TexLa]

53. Funniest. Post. Ever. That's like asking the sun not to rise.

LOL