Votes from an Obama stronghold being held for hours. Not a peep from the netroots.

[NJSecularist]

Imagine if a large Hillary stronghold was being held this long?

Imagine how much of an uproar Obama Underground and Daily Kos would be in if votes that didn't benefit them were being held out for going on 4 and a half hours?

We'd hear tinfoil hat conspiracies for hours.

But we hear nary a peep from the netroots when it is benefits Obama. :crazy: :crazy:

[mckeown1128]

1. where is your outrage about "union" county not reporting yet??? nt

[faithfulcitizen]

24. lol-exactly! Or mine- Hendricks, with .01% black people.

[scheming daemons]

2. Until we know the reason... what can we possibly say?

[NJSecularist]

9. You all know the netroots would be making snap judgments if Obama was the victim here.

Let's not lie.

[scheming daemons]

13. How do you know he's NOT the victim here?

[Divine Discontent]

61. EXACTLY!

love how the OP jumps to conclusions that it is bad for HRC, when the fix could be going on (as with the purged black voters across NW Indiana) against Obama...

I pray no 'fixing' ever occurs, because it makes our voting a pointless event. I really believe 2000 was stolen, outright, and 2004 was nearly done the same way with the voting disaster in Ohio.

[high density]

22. umm he likely is the vicitim

These are areas determined to heavily favor Obama.

[TheFarseer]

51. how can you say who the victim is here?

There is no way to know based on the info we have or that there is a victim at all! I think the pizza might be slowing them down.

[Muttocracy]

3. Associated Press has said it's due to absentee ballots

"The Associated Press said Lake County was counting more than 11,000 absentee ballots and would not be releasing the county’s results until midnight Eastern time." in NY Times

[EFerrari]

5. That's hard to believe. Absentee ballots are rarely counted on

election night.

[Muttocracy]

maybe they're counting because it's so close? in case it makes a difference? nt

[EFerrari]

They've had a LOT of new registrations. It's hard to see how they'd

have time. I guess we'll find out! :)

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. Makes sense to me.

No ulterior motives - just wanting to make sure it's right.

I don't care WHO it favors - I'll ALWAYS prefer slow and correct over fast and wrong. Votes are too important to be cavalier about.

[Muttocracy]

45. I'm sure Jefferson and Jackson knew they were pres by 11pm. nt

[skooooo]

19. Well "rarely" doesn't mean always! Also, some precincts voted later..

...cause of errors or machine trouble or something.

[EFerrari]

25. True. skooooo -- do you remember if Lake Co is DRE

or Op scan?

[kitfalbo]

4. not news

Even considering the size of the area it's highly unlikely obama will surpass clinton mostlikely it will narrow victory for her down to 2%. Now if it was this close and Indy was the one not releasing info that would be a different story.

[BlooInBloo]

6. The first blog I went to is bitching about it....

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/193576.php

Did you bother looking?

[karynnj]

7. They have a huge turnout and they closed an hour later because they are

in a different time zone. Some of the machine politicians there are for HRC,

[NJSecularist]

54. Like who?

Evan Bayh doesn't count. He is only a senator.

[yourguide]

8. Where is all of that momentum HRC had from guam?

[Muttocracy]

10. Also, isn't Lake County an hour behind most of the state (CST) - see link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indiana

[faithfulcitizen]

15. Yes, most counties are Eastern.

[bluedawg12]

No. Other counties to the east on same time. n/t

[Muttocracy]

20. but some of the counties east of Lake Co. are also not 100% in yet. nt

[skooooo]

23. That's not true.

Why don't you make sure you know what you're talking about before you post something?

[faithfulcitizen]

32. huh? sorry, wrong.

[undeterred]

18. I thought they changed that so the whole state

would be on the same time...for this very reason.

[Muttocracy]

26. see the Wiki link; think they all went to Daylight Sav. Time now, but Chi. suburbs on CST.

[OzarkDem]

11. It looks a little strange

Just across the border from that legendary Chicago political machine...

[NJSecularist]

21. It looks very strange...

And as you said, there is the Chicago political machine right across the border.

[faithfulcitizen]

12. Look, I haven't seen 1 vote from my county either, and it's going Clinton, on ET, & much smaller.

Again, it's on CT, unlike most of the state, and they've had record turnout. Why is that so complicated? There are several other ET counties not reporting anything yet either.

[EFerrari]

14. The Obama campaign is not counting those votes.

In fact, there has already been vote tampering via booted registrations that could impact his numbers there.

How does this delay benefit Obama?

[NJSecularist]

30. Because this is an Obama stronghold and it is possible that someone is tinkering with the margins.

Or throwing out votes to help Obama carry the state.

[EFerrari]

34. Um, there was a massive dumping of black votes in Lake Co

that has yet to be explained. The dirty tricks so far are in the other direction. And, isn't the Governor a Clinton supporter or am I wrong about that?

[TheFarseer]

52. Governor of Indiana is Mitch Daniels, insane Republican nt

[NJSecularist]

53. It has been explained.

All the voter rolls that were purged were duplicates, people who moved, or dead people.

[beachmom]

63. So what is the problem? Dead people won't be able to vote for him.

And, also, the delegate count is what is most important. We're talking a under/over of 1 delegate.

Still, I hate machine politics. I heard stuff went down in Philly that HURT Obama. I believe in accurate results.

[madfloridian]

55. I heard over a million were dumped.

:shrug:

[babylonsister]

16. Do you even know how the votes are tallied or how they come in?

Your outrage and ignorance are complimentary.

[Tatiana]

17. WHERE'S UNION COUNTY?????? n/t

[NJSecularist]

27. UNION COUNTY HAS ABOUT 500 VOTES. N/T

[TheFarseer]

47. so what's the hold up?

I could have counted them myself by now.

[wileedog]

28. Uh, we're not happy about this either

I have a bad feeling there are shenanigans

[Condem]

29. Now, NJ

You were once one of us. And, you will be again.

[orleans]

31. reminds me of ohio--i forget which county--did the lock down

and had to count the votes in private/secret--because of a non-existent terror threat!

[EFerrari]

39. Warren Co. n/t

[NJSecularist]

40. I believe you are referring to Warren County. I remember that vividly. n/t

[NightWatcher]

33. feels like florida 2000

[debbierlus]

35. Yes, we all know how black minority districts are known for their upper hand and cheating potential

The zones of shorted machines and constant targeting for voter suppression....

They now all of the sudden become bastions of vote rigging.

:spray:

[WeDidIt]

36. kos says

Update II by kos: James Toobin is right. Lake County's behavior right now is suspicious. There's no reason they should be withholding their count until all results are in. If Obama comes in with a narrow victory, it won't look so good.

[Muttocracy]

37. Oh, no, Porter, LaPorte, and Monroe aren't finished yet!!!!!11

[roamer65]

38. I think Lake Co just wants to make sure their vote is counted fairly and accurately.

This isn't Zimbabwe yet.

[Muttocracy]

exactly - it would be crazy if they gave results one way now and in the morning it was different. nt

[kwenu]

41. Trust me when I tell you that Hillary's folks are knee deep wherever those votes are.

I had to deal with their incessant whining during the caucus here in Texas.

Plus, there is only one candidate that has received 100% of the vote in a precinct and that was Hillary in New York.

[enki23]

43. you are a netroot. and that's just what you're doing

.

[izzybeans]

44. That stronghold runs one hour behind the rest of the state.

Imagine that.

[TexasObserver]

46. There were a couple of Hillary supporters from New Mexico who took Lake county boxes

They were last seen crossing over into Illinois.

That's probably why the votes aren't in yet.

[TheFarseer]

56. what?!?! is that a joke?

link please if it's not.

[Triana]

48. I can hear some Hillbot in the backroom there:

"What do I gotta DO to get you to call it for Hillary!"

Meanwhile all the votes are for Obama and they're all sitting there sweating bullets trying to figure out how to "fix" this.

Florida, lamestream media all over again.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

[CalGator]

49. isn't Hillary endorsed by the party machine in Indiana?

If there is vote rigging (which I am not buying), it could come from either side. St Louis, Seattle, etc also take a long time to get in and usually sway the election since most Dems are in those areas.

[McCamy Taylor]

50. Possibilities include 1) incompetence 2) GOP dirty psych ops to cause

in-fighting among Democrats---all they have to do is delay the vote count have some TV pundits like this guy on TV suggest it is a dirty trick--and let the supporters of Hillary and Obama go at each other's throat 3) dirty tricks by Obama--withhold a Clinton victory till people go to bed 4) dirty trick by Obama change the vote enough so that he wins 4) dirty trick by Clinton---withhold bad news 5)dirty trick by Clinton---change the vote so that her win is boosted.

I am voting for number 2, although 1 is almost as likely. Can not rule out 3 or 4, but if someone from the camps was in charge we would hear about it. Could be 2 and someone will to call it a 3 or 4.

[NJSecularist]

57. I vote other) dirty tricks by the mayor of Gary. n/t

[Muttocracy]

58. on other thread some said courts ordered polling places open for a few hours longer - anyone? nt

[Tatiana]

59. This is Lake County, people. Not *Cook* County.

They just want to make sure all the votes are counted fairly and accurately. It has got to be a very tight margin for them to go to this extreme.

[beachmom]

60. That's changing. Markos has now weighed in:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/6/232925/4288/20/510516

"Local practice"? There's no reason to withhold the total vote until absentees are counted. The optics of this look rotten, no matter how legitimate the vote count might actual be.

[last_texas_dem]

62. Well, you're posting about it on "Obama Underground"...

So apparently it's not going unnoticed...

[Muttocracy]

64. are absentee ballots collected by county or by precinct?

Are they having to sort out which of the 11,000 ballots belong to which precinct before reporting?

[Raine]

65. What's a "netroot"?

I never heard this one before. :shrug:

[Jed Dilligan]

66. I'm imagining pretty long lines in poor neighborhoods with

crappy equipment. What are you insinuating?