hahaha, I love how so many Obamabots diss the DLC, yet Obama is as DLC as it gets

[mtnsnake]

and it's a fact that he is running the most DLC campaign in the history of the Democratic Primaries.

Harold Ford is so proud of Obama like he said on Morning Joe a few days ago with how Obama is using the DLC's theme of reaching out to Republicans for his main campaign theme.

You might wanna think twice next time before you go bashing Hillary for being a DLC member, considering Obama is ten times as DLCish as Hillary is right now. He just wants it both ways as usual and that's why he's not an official card carrying member. Barack wants to reap the support of the DLC, which he is clearly doing, yet he wants to suck up to the base of the party at the same time and make believe he's catering to them, too.

Oh well, sorry to burst your bubble about it, but someone had to break the news to you, although I'm sure that most Obama supporters in the real world already know how DLCish Barack is.

[RazBerryBeret]

1. if it makes you feel better to say that...

go on...but I'm not buying it.

[Mezzo]

102. They're bout as dlc as it gets...and ANYBODY who knows people KNOWS that

[EmilyAnne]

2. Would you please define what you mean DLCish means? I'm just curious. Thanks!

[mtnsnake]

11. DLCish = Barack Obama. How's that.

[EmilyAnne]

Not a very good definition. I was not being sarcastic when I asked you to please define DLCish.

I really want to know what you are thinking with this post.

[mtnsnake]

28. DLCish means DLC-type. Is that better?

[Hawkeye-X]

39. Evidence? Proof? Link?

I'll await all night for your proof.

Hawkeye-X

[mtnsnake]

47. I already proved it

Read some of the posts instead of just puking up no-nothings.

[Hawkeye-X]

56. I took a look - you provided NOTHING.

[Catherina]

77. Don't hold your breath for any proof forthcoming either n/t

[davidinalameda]

94. just when I think it's safe to take people off ignore

this dick had to post this thread

damn!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

140. LOL!

In the spirit of healing the party, I emptied my Ignore List this evening (including the OP). I'm regretting it already!

[Exilednight]

I read your OP, one slight problem with your analysis. Harold is an idiot, and here is why .......

Anyone who runs for President has to depend on the crossover vote. Reagan and both Bush's won with Democrats voting for them (mostly Hispanic and Latino votes and women voters), Bill won with Republicans voting for him (swinging back women, Latinos and Hispanics, and capturing a portion of the white upper-middle class). Both parties are pretty evenly divided and so independents that lean left or right are pretty even. The only way to win the GE is to win the crossover.

If anyone thinks they can win with just their party voting for them, well let's just say they are the ones often forgotten by history.

[Auntie Bush]

84. Well why not?

They are really good at puking. You should always do what you're good at to be successful.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

145. It means

he doesn't know.

He has no clue.

He read it someplace - most likely on one of the many threads here.

If he knew he would include some facts to back up his strawman argument.

[NorthCarolina]

50. Is that your professional opinion, and if so what are your qualifications

to back up such a statement with authority and base of knowledge? Otherwise it's simply an "opinion" and we all know what opinions are like, and yes, everyone has one.

[RC]

109. If you don't know what DLC stands for say so.

DLC - Democratic Leadership Council - Bad as in conservative. Hillary is a member. Yeah, she is. Obama has never been a member of this right wing group.

DNC - Democratic National Committee - Good, as in Liberal.


http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cccb

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

3. Huh?

DCLish? Please explain.

[babylonsister]

Gotta link? I have one to prove he's not. You first. nt

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

[mtnsnake]

17. I already said he wasn't a card carrying member. Nice try, though. Check this out...

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:

DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s). Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html

The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

[babylonsister]

32. 1) Obama's whole message is to find ways to work with people, and

that has ZIP! to do with the DLC.

2) From a year ago, from KOS? :rofl: Nice try, but times have changed.

3) Just because the DLC liked him doesn't mean he's a member. Can't you do better than that?

And read this, in case you missed it:

Obama to have name "removed" from DLC list:

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Barack Obama will not be carrying the Democratic Leadership Council’s baggage in his race to become the second Black person to represent Illinois in the U.S. Senate. The state senator and professor of constitutional law has told The Black Commentator that he is acting to have his name stricken from the “New Democrats Directory,” a list of several hundred DLC-affiliated elected officials.

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend. “It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC…listed me in their ‘New Democrat’ directory,” Obama continued. “Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact to my attention.”

[mtnsnake]

40. I already proved my point. Obama is the most DLC is or DLC type candidate ever & you fell for it

Hows it feel?

[babylonsister]

54. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton Accepts Position as Chair of the DLC's 'American Dream Initiative'

:smoke:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=85&subid=108&contentid=253475


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton Accepts Position as Chair of the DLC's 'American Dream Initiative'

For Immediate Release

Contact: Tammy Sun
[phone], [e-mail]

COLUMBUS, OHIO -- DLC Chair Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack announced today, Monday July 25th, that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) will Chair the American Dream Initiative, a special project of the Democratic Leadership Council. The announcement took place during the General Session of the DLC's National Conversation, an annual event that brings together Democratic leaders from across the nation to talk about innovative ideas and strategies for governing in their states and communities. This year, over 300 elected officials from 40 states were in attendance.

The American Dream Initiative is a year-long project of the DLC that will engage political, business, labor, civic and intellectual leaders in a "national conversation" to help shape a positive agenda for our country and the Democratic party. The Initiative will focus on challenges facing America including: keeping our country safe, building an opportunity society, standing up for families and making sure our political and electoral systems work for all Americans.

Gov. Vilsack said: "I have asked Sen. Clinton to chair a special project at the DLC called the American Dream Initiative. I'm very happy to announce that she has accepted, and I look forward to working together to shape a positive agenda for the country. Sen. Clinton's expertise on policy issues and deep understanding of the challenges we face as a party and as a nation make her an ideal person to lead this important effort."

Sen. Clinton said: "I am proud to take on the task of leading the American Dream Initiative for the DLC because its mission goes to the heart of why I am a Senator, and what I believe about public service -- that we are here to leave our children a richer, safer and stronger land than we inherited from our parents. I look forward to working with Gov. Vilsack and all interested Americans on this project."

For more information about the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) or the American Dream Initiative, please visit: www.dlc.org or call the DLC Press Office at 202.546.0007.

[democracy1st]

132. You sound like you're 15 yrs old,not being a smartass. Your post is weak

[cali]

4. I'm sorry you're feeling badlly tonight. It sucks to see your candidate

lose.

[Liberal Veteran]

5. You seem.....well, bitter.

Is this a new development?

[Hawkeye-X]

Please provide proof that Obama is DLC

The only evidence I can find Obama being DLC is being on the top 100 rising Democratic stars that was released by the DLC publication - it does not mean that he is DLC.

I'll be waiting, your current candidate is DLC through and through and disgusting to boot.

Hawkeye-X

[mtnsnake]

24. He's not a DLC card carrying member. He's just the most DLC type candidate EVER

Sorry you don't like admitting that you've been duped by a closet DLC'er. Life sucks sometimes, doesn't it.

[Hawkeye-X]

44. Um. If he's not a card-carrying DLC, then he's not DLC

Far from it, mtnsnake.

Please provide proof that Obama has been acting "DLCish" - and I'll be waiting all night. You stated the fact, you need to provide evidence, not something out of your butt.

Hawkeye-X

[mtnsnake]

70. I didn't say he was a member.

I said he's as DLCish as it gets WITHOUT actually being a card carrying member.

[VotesForWomen]

135. well, he plays every side of the fence; isn't that proof enough? nt

[mcctatas]

6. You just can't resist.....

When Hillary won PA, several Obama supporters (myself included) were gracious enough to just say congratulations and let you have your moment...But whatever gets you through the night...

[DJ13]

7. Obama rejected the DLC a couple of years back

But keep up any delusions it takes to ease your pain.

[Guaranteed]

8. Alright, parade pisser, you can sit down now. nt

[WeDidIt]

9. Good Grief. Obama chastised the DLC

because it erroneously claimed him as a member on their website after he gave the keynote speech in 2004.

Get real.

[Tatiana]

10. When you're ready, we'll be waiting to join together IN UNISON to BEAT MCCAIN! n/t

[democracy1st]

12. DLC link go read it

http://www.dlc.org/

[mtnsnake]

19. Here's one of many links, characterizing Obama as the most DLCish candidate in history...

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:

DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s). Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html

The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

[CalGator]

38. you've failed with this analogy earlier

Your links characterize nothing. The DLC has wanted Obama, noth the other way around.

[mtnsnake]

48. No I didn't. Keep living in denial, though.

[CalGator]

58. look, you're already getting your butt handed to you on this thread

just quit while you're behind. No level-headed person is buying that Obama is DLC, let alone running a campaign more aligned with the DLC than the DLC-supported candidate, Hillary Clinton. Your arguments are weak, your "proof" is non-existent, and your opinion is shared by nearly nobody on this board, which includes a lot of Democratic, liberal activists.

[mtnsnake]

60. Yeah right.

Keep living your little fantasies dude.

[99th_Monkey]

13. What else would Ford say, since Obama's the obvious nominee.

well, obvious to anyone who's being honest with themselves and with the numbers.

[high density]

14. Reaching out to Republicans and acting like a Republican are two different things

If we're going to win and then get anything done in Congress, the Republicans will have to be involved whether we want it or not.

[mtnsnake]

33. Obama wanting to work closely with the DLC is another thing....like this...

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

[democracy1st]

45. hmmm I think he wants to work with everyone

[OhioChick]

15. Sore Loser, Perhaps? n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. Here, I think you need one of these:

[cboy4]

26. Classy

:puke:

[bowens43]

18. you sound so bitter......

get behind Obama or get behind McCain. Hillary is no longer relevent.

[Arugula Latte]

21. and sour, as well ... as sour as a certain fruit before it is ripe

[Name removed]

35. Deleted message

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[mcctatas]

41. ....

:wtf: You aren't even making sense anymore....

[mtnsnake]

95. Why are you telling people to get behind McCain?

get behind Obama or get behind McCain

If by a miracle, Obama gets the nod, I'll get behind him, but fuck McCain. You can get behind him all you want.

[Hutzpa]

147. Because of your ignorant insinuation

of Obama being a DLC candidate, either your post is a deliberate ploy
or you are some kind of an errand boy.

[book_worm]

20. leave it to you to come on after Obama gives a very gracious, uniting speech

and go on the attack.

[mtnsnake]

53. aww, there's nothing that breaks my heart more than an unappreciative Obamawhiner

Here I was just informing you of something and you're acting ungrateful. That's the thanks I get. Oh well...

[Exultant Democracy]

22. Clinton is a member of the DLC leadership, Obama is not. The DLC was pro-Iraq war, Obama was not.

Simple

[Melinda]

23. You've suceeded in destroying the goodwill I've been feeling toward HRC this evening...

So much for reconciliation.

Go piss in someone else's wheaties. You and your hateful posts are now dead to me. *Plonk*

[LWolf]

25. I've known all along.

It isn't exactly a state secret for anyone who cared to pay attention, lol.

It's amazing to me the number of people who say that they are supporting Obama because they will "never vote for a DLC candidate."

There's no one on the ballot that ISN'T a DLC candidate, if positions matter more than official membership.

[mtnsnake]

72. You nailed it, LWolf

It's amazing to me the number of people who say that they are supporting Obama because they will "never vote for a DLC candidate."

Yeah, that one always cracks me up, too. lol

[parasim]

27. Do you have some links to back up your claim that Barack is so DLCish?

Because what I've seen is

1) Barack specifically demanded that the DLC take him off of their list as a "New Democrat" ( http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html )

and 2) Hillary is still on the DLC website (front page) as one of their "leaders" ( http://www.dlc.org).

Some more current links that show what you're talking about here would be much appreciated. Thanks.

on edit: ok, I'm kinda slow in getting in my post... i see that you've already addressed these concerns with some links.

[mtnsnake]

62. Yeah sure. Check out some of these...

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:

DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s). Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html

The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

[parasim]

87. Thanks.

Ok...

first one... The fact that he says "finding ways to work with the DLC" makes sense to me. The DLC is pretty powerful and reaching out to them might not be a bad thing. I don't see the DLC as the Nazi party after all. Doesn't mean he has to become a DLCer, just as when he wants to talk to our enemies like Iran, doesn't mean he believes the way they do.

the second one... well, the "netroots" seems to have come a long way from that ambivalence, seeing that Kos is one of his one of his strongest supporters, a year later.

the last one... of course they are keeping an "eye out for the possibilities". If he ends up the president, of course they will try to woo him. Who wouldn't want to with his "sex appeal"? Doesn't mean they will succeed to their satisfaction.

[mtnsnake]

91. No problem

[parasim]

104. Well, that was congenial. But, no comment on my rebuttal to your links?

You made the assertion in your OP that Obama was more DLC than Hillary. I beg to differ. The links that you provided are all from a year ago and I don't think made your case. Any further thoughts at all?

[mtnsnake]

105. Nice rebuttal

There ya go.

Just the same, there is no changing the fact that Obama is running the most DLC type campaign in history. The part that worries me the most is his theme of "reaching out to Republicans" all the time. We need to beat Republicans, not kiss their asses to win a primary.

[parasim]

111. Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it.

I happen to disagree with you that "reaching out to the Republicans" is a bad thing, or that it has anything to do with just winning a primary. I really think that Obama's approach is a better approach than politics as usual and that perhaps there is a possibility that he can unite this country, Democrats, Republican and Independents. I know that sounds like I'm just repeating his stump speech but I am so tired of the typical politics as ususal and would love it if we can get to repairing the incredible divide that this country has become. I personally don't believe that Hillary is the best choice to get there.

However, If Hillary does becomes the nominee, I will support her, because I feel that more than anything else, we need a Democrat in the White House and I can only hope that Clinton supporters feel the same if Obama becomes the nominee.

[mtnsnake]

115. Likewise and what you said afterward too

because at the end of the day I'll be right there with you. I'm sick of Republicans. I worry about the environment because it can't withstand another 4 years of Republicans raping it. That, among a mile long list of other things, of course.

Peace

[sniffa]

29. .

[mtnsnake]

106. Tell that screamer Goldberg to pipe down

before I put the smack on him. On second thought, don't tell him just yet

[cboy4]

30. I don't know if he's as DLC as it gets, but their positions

are indeed nearly identical.

[mdmc]

31. Yes, God Bless the obamabots

I felt that way about the bigdog back before his great neo-liberal downfall..

[TZ]

34. Well considering his voting record in the Senate

Puts him in the top 10 most LIBERAL Senators, I highly doubt your claim.

[mtnsnake]

64. If that was the case, then you would be saying the same for Hillary who's record is similar

in the Senate. Check out her voting record and see for yourself.

[last1standing]

36. Mtnsnake, it's time to put this away.

I know you wanted Hillary and I know it hurts you to let it go, but the primary is effectively over now. Do you want to be part of the problem or the solution?

[Zodiak]

37. Well, well...on nights where my ignore list doesn't work, look what I find?

I just had this discussion in another thread....about how many Senate DLCers (NDC) are promoting which candidate. Did a little research for that discussion because jackson_dems flawed and biased analysis didn't pass the smell test (he had claimed that the DLC favored Obama).


DLC Senate superdelegate endorsements:
--------------------------------------
Obama (5): Nelson (NE), Conrad, Johnson, Dorgan, Kerry (although it is arguable that he is done with the DLC after Carville and the Clintons both betrayed him)

Clinton (8): Nelson (FL), Pryor, Stabenow, Cantwell, Inouye, Feinstein, Bayh, Menendez


Jackson_dem "conveniently" missed 5 or 6 of these.



It would be 9 if I counted Clinton promoting herself, and 10 if I count Chuck Schumer, who takes money from the DLC for trips and has given speeches at their conferences.

So no, the DLC still favors Hillary if they favor anyone.

But they cannot officially favor anyone...know why? It's against the law...they are an advocacy group, so Harold Ford isn't for anyone officially.

I could go into far more specifics for why Obama's campaign is anything but DLC-style. But I suspect you will just see what you want to see.

[mtnsnake]

66. It's a good thing it's not working It's time you learned something about your idol

Hope that helps...

[Zodiak]

79. LOL

...as usual, vapid non-sequitir in the face of facts.

And I have no idols in politics...only a great fool would subscribe themselves heart and soul to a politician. I support Obama, but I'm a musician, so my idols wield axes.

[NashVegas]

42. I Think Most of Them Know ... And Don't Care

I think most will simply be too happy with the appearance of change, and the opportunity to promote the change-like candidacy of Barack Obama.

[muryan]

43. As your doctor, I advise you to take 4 of these and come back to me in the morning

[mtnsnake]

83. That tastes like Scotch

[muryan]

85. Just keep drinking

That pesky sense of taste will disappear eventually

[whatchamacallit]

46. Rattle snake makes a final (death) rattle

I salute your tenacity.

[QC]

49. Actually, he does have a point.

Anyone here ever heard of Austan Goolsbee?

[Usrename]

119. That whole Chigago School neoliberal cult really scares me.

For anyone wondering what they are about, "Shock Doctrine" sums it up very nicely. They're scary. Very scary.

[ShortnFiery]

51. Stop the LIES. Obama is NOT part of The Clintonian DLC.

Perhaps, the DLC will lose power? I sure hope so. If Clinton wins, it's a third (3rd) term for a DLC HEAVY Executive Branch. It's time for MODERATES to take control of our party. We need to come back to CENTER. :-)

[mtnsnake]

99. I didn't lie. Learn to read. n/t

[RC]

118. Of course you didn't lie. To lie you need to know the truth and

you have proven on this thread that you haven't a clue.

DLC - Democratic Leadership Council - Bad as in conservative. Hillary is a member. Yeah, she is. Obama has never been a member of this right wing group.

DNC - Democratic National Committee - Good, as in Liberal.


http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cccb

[mtnsnake]

120. Reality sucks for you, eh

My heart breaks for you that you just can't stand it that your idol is running the most DLC type campaign in history. That's life....

[Raine]

52. Bitter

:-(

[blm]

55. Hillary is a Closed Government Democrat - Obama is an Open Government Democrat.

YOU side with Closed Government.

Your opinion is suspect.

[greguganus]

sore loser, eh? n/t

[stevietheman]

57. Come back from Bizarro World -- we need you in November to elect Obama. n/t

n/t

[Doityourself]

59. hnmmm Okay...lol

[juno jones]

61. So you disavow DLC candidates like Hillary? n/t

[mtnsnake]

67. I don't "diavow" anything. Just telling it like it is about Obama

[juno jones]

137. So is the DLC a bad thing or a good thing? If Obama WAS DLC

(which apparently is not) would that be a BAD thing or a GOOD thing?


This really makes no sense.

[Cassandra]

63. Bullshit.

Obama is running Dean's 50 state strategy. And he's attracting Republicans by reaching out and letting them know that his policies are good for them as well, not by taking positions that please Rush.

[mtnsnake]

69. Learn to face reality. Obama is as DLC as it gets w/o officially being a member

As always, he's out to get the best of both worlds. He isn't stupid!

[Cassandra]

121. No, he isn't stupid.

You, on the other hand........

[TexasObserver]

65. Hillary is big time DLC.

And in your twisted version, it's Obama that is the DLC candidate?

You need some of that anti venom antidote. You're getting delirious from the feverish pain of being snake bit in North Carolina.

[mtnsnake]

74. Hillary is a card carrying member. Obama is running the most DLC type campaign in history

He has already proven that. Sorry to heap the truth on ya about that, but try not to let it ruin your night.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. I already know better than to say this...

But it sounds like it really sucks to be you tonight.

If this is your idea of a gracious loss, then you can expect to be met head-on. And you may wish to hurry up and get it out of your system in these pages, because your particular brand of hatred probably won't be tolerated here too much longer.

By the way, HFord is a tool and is firmly in the HRC camp, so you can let go of that one too.

[mtnsnake]

90. Tell me about it when your candidate, John McCain, gets crushed in the GE

[DisgustipatedinCA]

98. I'm not the right-winger here, cocksnack

The obliterator is falling apart in front of you. Let it burn. Then go suck an egg. Then come here and whimper some more and see how much good that does you. Ha ha. Loser.

[mtnsnake]

101. oooh, just thinking about how McCain is gonna get throttled must be eating at you

or you wouldn't be running around acting like such a coverup as you do.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

122. this is getting interesting

So please, just as soon as you come up with the proof that Obama is secretly in charge of the DLC, would you provide the evidence of my covering-up? You'll make all the headlines when you prove I've been here since 2001 as a deep-cover Freeper working for the pre-McCain campaign. I clearly see that you're not aware of how delusional you sound, but delusion tends to be like that. Dipshit.

[mtnsnake]

125. blah blah blah

jerkoff...

[Binka]

129. But This Fucking Idiot Comes Back With Blah Blah Ah Jesus He Is So Fucking Stupid

Downs Syndrome would look like Mensa compared to him. Hey FUCK YOU SNAKE. You God Damn Jerk. I can not wait until your ass is kicked off this board.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

130. Hi, M!

Nice to see you here. This one's just a little unstable after seeing his Goddess of Peace finish her campaign as gracefully as the Hindnberg coming into Lakehurst. He doesn't hold a candle to the FalconAir's of yesteryear (who we still dispatched with ease).

I hope you & P are well.

[mtnsnake]

138. Only an inbred mutant troll fucker like yourself would ever post such a lame attack. lol

Go back to freeperland and take your troll twin from above with you, ya fucking loser. What a bitter asshole you are. Hope that helps....

[leftstreet]

141. We can say "inbred mutant troll fucker " here now? Excuse me, brb.

[DS1]

71. Save some crack for me

[berni_mccoy]

73. You are feeling very hollow tonight, aren't you?

[mtnsnake]

78. As Chicago said

Feeling stronger every day :smoke:

[berni_mccoy]

103. Good for you Mtnsnake. I'm happy that you are taking this all in stride.

[backscatter712]

75. What's the matter? Are you bitter? n/t

[mtnsnake]

80. Bitter about what? That your candidate is a closet DLCer and you don't know it?

Why should I be bitter about that. I'm just curious how so many of you don't realize it. lol

[Gore1FL]

76. Actually, he is a whole differnt paradigm

[npincus]

81. Begone, Bitter One!

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

88. If by some miracle, Obama wins the nod, lets just pray he doesnt run another DLC campaign in the GE

like he did in the primaries, because it wont work in the GE for a minute. The Republicans he sucked up to in the Primaries will all be voting for McCain in the GE.

[crankychatter]

82. When you can't tell the difference between complicity, corruption and true centrism....

it might look that way

[spanone]

86. get on board the love train

[BlooInBloo]

89. I'm giving a rec to every anti-Obama thread I see. It's the last we'll see of them.

[earth mom]

92. So VERY true. ObamaNuts need to shake off that denial, because Obama ain't gonna do nothing

for them if elected.

Obama will protect big business and ki$$ up to the rethuglicans. :puke:

[madrchsod]

112. what the fuck.....is that all you got? "ObamaNuts" ?

...i`ll be looking forward to more of your insightful comments about how bad the next president of the usa is...

[davidinalameda]

93. please explain

or can you?

[mtnsnake]

96. Explain what?

[davidinalameda]

107. why you're a douchebag?

[mtnsnake]

114. nice try

You must be the life of the party, especially if people get a kick out of dimwits who run around asking the dumbest questions in the universe.

Please explain

:wtf:

[CalGator]

97. ah, I get it now

You knew this kind of thread would get 100+ replies.

[Lord Helmet]

100. bullshit

[madrchsod]

108. oh well...... i guess we will see if he beats gramps McCain

by the way using harold ford as an example is really funny....

i take it you`ll keep posting this meme till he loses in november then it will be i told you so....

[StevieM]

110. More importantly, he isn't even a nice person. He is a hateful man whose campaign is all about

tearing people down and tearing our nation apart.

Steve

[CalGator]

113. don't forget--he's also about the lattes!

[Blondbostonian]

133. I can't wait for you to be banned from here

Once Hillary drops out, you will have one week to lick your wounds and support the candidate. Then it's tombstone time. :)

[L0oniX]

116. Thankfully after tonight you will back in my ignore dungeon.

[Pawel K]

117. Wow. A respectable member with over 1,000 posts started this thread?

You have got to be kidding.

You are really going to tarnish your reputation for Hillary? I do not understand that.

[Political Heretic]

123. Lots of posts don't make you respectable.

[mtnsnake]

124. Did I say it did?

[JI7]

128. you must have missed all of his other threads

[gulfcoastliberal]

126. Sour grapes? Hillary IS the DLC!

Sorry you have not proved Obama is a member of the repuke 5th column.

[mtnsnake]

127. Hillary aside, Obama is the new poster boy of the DLC, member or not

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:

DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s). Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html

The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

[kikiek]

139. Of course he is. He only "denounced" it after he decided to run. Very typical of the "platform" he

claims. It is all designed to give the appearance of being what he isn't. More liberal than Hillary.

[eridani]

131. True, but only with respect to policy details

He is actually breaking at least some DLC FRAMES, however.

[VotesForWomen]

134. no.... it can't be... Obama's "different..." yeah, right. well, dems are used to disappointment. nt

[Armstead]

136. I think you miss the point

Obviously there are similarities in the approach of the DLC and Obama.

But there are important differences.

The DLC is a reactionary organization formed specifically in a different time to align the Democratic Party with the Corporate Sector and oppose the identification of the Democratic Party with liberalism and with "special interest" groups like Blacks, feminists, activists, unions, etc.

Although they claim to be trying to be more inclusive, they specialized in marginalizing or even demonizing those "special interests" over the years, in order to make the Democratic Party a center-right party.

They also pushed for a triangulating agenda that was basically moderate Republicanism.

Obama is a moderate, and he is also trying to reach out beyond the so-called Democratic base. But he is doing it more in the goal of actually building coalitions and bringing disparate peopel and groups together. He does NOT specialize in demonizing liberals and progressives -- instead that is the basis he is starting from and reaching outward from.

[Jamastiene]

142. I know.

Ya know, we should go into the umbrella business. Every time we post any truth in here, we get a shit storm of taunts with the maturity level of junior high schoolers. :hi:

[billyoc]

143. Oh, tell me about it! He's practically a DLC member!

Which is to say, he's not a DLC member. :rofl:

[Capn Sunshine]

144. Aren't you EVER going back to Freerepublic?

Despite the machinations of the relentless keyboard commandos of operation chaos, unity of the party will prevail. Always does.

You would be better served figuring out HOW to not lose everything.

[hulka38]

146. It'll be a great day when the Democrats don't need the dumb vote.