Hillary Supporter here -- time to move on and heal wounds.

[bleuvixen]

Alright, I think this is about it. I believe when a mass amount of SDs flood Obama in the coming days we will see HRC drop out of the race. I believe this will happen but mostly I hope it does. I have been a ling time Hillary supporter and was shocked how quickly NC was called. Good job Obama supporters, hell of a job there and I mean that sincerely.

The only thing I am very cautious about and would like to see change is less bile from the hard core Obamites, I know they are a just a fraction of people, who no matter what, are just rude RUDE RUDE and can't help themselves. It is the most vocal group who makes EVERYONE LOOK BAD. Lets get past that, and we can only accomplish this by mending wounds and focusing on beating McCain and ending what Bush has put us through.

I stand by my words for many moons ago, I will work my BUTT off for the Nominee, and I will do so with pride for a great competitor and person that Obama is. I can't wait to start.

I hope one of the great things this extended primary has taught us is that we will be able to pickup a LARGE amount of left and central Republicans. I think this will be huge and has the GOP already shitting their pants.

Lastly, the good that has come out of this fight: 1) Wright has been BEATEN to death. 2) Obama stands by his word and is seen as a good man who doesn't waver (this coming from other HRC supporters too) 3) Republicans are sick of this too and we can flip a HUGE percentage of them. 3) People are excited to be VOTING, and they are coming out in HUGE numbers. 4) Obama has shown he can take a punch, keep his composure and even get his hands a little into the ring too. 5) Feel free to add anything I overlooked, I know competition is good and that can't be forgotten.

This is a fight I have been waiting to start, goodbye Bush, goodbye GOP seats in both the house & senate. Hello President Obama. Now, lets get our VeePee!!!!


p.s. I won't lie, I had been hoping Hillary would be the one we were all fighting behind, but after all is said and done, I think she can only blame herself. Sad too, she would have been a great President.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Excellent Post

It was an epic race.

[yourout]

2. Very Classy Post!

And Welcome to DU.

[bleuvixen]

9. Thank you.

Been here for a while, but just joined again. Heated race, mean words... all that.... glad to be back with wind in my sails and pride in our Candidate once again.

[Brundle_Fly]

79. bleuvixen

is classy !!

SHES A DEMOCRAT!!

[PghTiny]

3. Agreed!

I've just about avoided DU except for the Mike Malloy threads the past several weeks, with the exception of today.

[dchill]

4. Very much appreciated.

:toast:

[Kittycat]

5. We all have to put a hand out and help heal the wounds if we're going to win in Nov

:hug:

[Marrah_G]

31. Lots of that going on today huh?

I'd love to just reach out and shake hands, but frankly some of your candidates supporters here have made that impossible. It's going to take a long time for this to be forgotten.

I know you mean well in your post, but frankly I am just really disgusted tonight.

[LisaM]

6. If he takes the nomination without Michigan and Florida

Then I won't see him - or his supporters - as people of conscience.

Just today an Obama supporter said that he hopes Obama "crushes the shrew" in North Carolina.

I'll vote for him, but I won't work or donate money. I'll find other women candidates to donate to and maybe work for. I don't want to wait another freaking 8 years for a woman president (or longer).

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You know what is funny about this?

I will not work for either.. will vote for them (holding nose) but will not work for them

At this point I will not even work for my local Dem Congresswoman since the staffer gave me all the usual bs about why we cannot and should not impeach.

Looking for a worthwhile candidate to work for in November, and... come the primaries in two years, will do all I can to unseat my current rep... and will do that until she either resigns or looses.

machine candidate are not the best... and BOTH are machine candidates

[jonestonesusa]

120. Do you base their conclusion on Obama's voting records?

You can look at them at the site I posted below.

Otherwise - what do you base your calling them "machine candidates" on?

http://people.howstuffworks.com/barack-obama4.htm

[RedFury]

21. Holy Cow! So you base your vote on genitalia? n/t

[LisaM]

29. Of course that's not my only reason.

But I freely admit that I would like to see a woman president. I think it's time.

I have no problem with African-Americans voting for Obama for the same reason. They are voting with their hearts and good for them. I reserve the right to do the same thing, and to hold the same kind of hopes that I can one day feel fully represented at all levels of government.

[Erin Elizabeth]

107. LOL

I'm glad it's ok with you if African-Americans vote for Obama. Is it ok with you if us whites vote for him, too?

[juno jones]

145. LOL

Pasty irish girl for Obama ROFL!

[D-Sooner]

125. Would you have a problem

with a man voting for Barack Obama based solely on gender? Or what about a white guy voting for McCain because they think it's a good idea to keep having white men as President?

[bleuvixen]

I am very torn

about MI and FL, MI is very unfair since Hillary was the only one on the ballot, but even with these two as they are I believe she still loses. We need to get past this and move on. I hope Hillary keeps fighting and does good by NY! I think we will see Hill again, just not as the Pres.

[LisaM]

35. Obama was on the Florida ballot

But I'm not talking about the original primaries. They should have figured out a way to re-do it. It sucks and it's not fair. Florida was definitely a Hillary state, and Michigan could easily have been, if it went like Ohio.

I'm just saying, if Obama feels that he's won fair and square without two large states that are going to be very important in the GE, well, he's the one who has to deal with any pangs of conscience.

[bleuvixen]

71. I know he was

he was on there when I voted for Hillary. They did nothing (the states) and the state broke the rules, I don't think much can be done now, but I would love a solution more than most (who wouldn't want THIER vote counted?!?)

[bjnumb9]

105. When you play by the rules that all competitors agreed to

then there is no moral imperative or anything to bring on any "pangs of conscience."

It is not Obama's fault. It is not Clinton's fault. But those were the rules laid down, everyone knew of them, and those are the rules we should play by.

If you blame Obama for FL and MI not counting, you're confused.

*edited for typo

[Heather MC]

113. It is not Obama's fault the DNC made this rule about FL and MI...

Fl and MI chose not to follow the rules, meanwhile 48 states did follow the rules.
all the candidates agreed to it. No matter which candidate I support, rules are rules, I would feel that way if Obama was behind trying to get them in.

Please don't take this as a Hillary Bash, because of the nature of the OP. I just want to say that Hillary has attempted to change all the rules that were set before the game began. If Obama did that, he would have lost my support as well. If Hillary was truly meant to win the nomination she would have done so without FL and MI as Obama has done. Remember he does get to count them either. So his votes will also go down in history as not being about to be counted. I hope the DNC has learned their lesson and stop wheeling and dealing away people's votes in smoke filled back rooms in the capitol.

That's all please don't feel bashed. I have made a few Hillary enemies. I am merely responding to your words not attacking you the person.

[Chan790]

39. I find that position histrionic at best...

to wit, attention-seeking and melodramatic: your candidate is likely to have lost, so rather than work to insure that we don't get 4 more years of the same, you're going to sulk. Very adult-like.

FL and MI had their chances to work out a solution, even well after their "primaries". They took a hardline stance. Ultimately the only people who disenfranchised MI and FL was their elected leadership. The only people here to come up wanting as "people of conscience" are the people who made the fatal decisions in the first place, then decided to ride those decisions into the ground on misguided principle rather than work towards solutions. They disenfranchised the primary voters of MI and FL, nobody else did.

There are a great number of fair-plays in politics, gambling with the voice of your constituents is not one of them. It is inarguably the greatest sin in politics...it is undemocratic, illiberal, and frankly criminal. It is anathema to the principles of a well-ordered democracy; it is anathema to the principles of the Democratic Party. I will never forgive the GOP for it in 2000, I will never forgive the officials of MI and FL for doing it again in 2008, I will never forgive anybody who takes the stance that any of the previous should have any of the guilt misdirected away from them and onto others.

[lyonn]

100. People in MI and FL thought their vote wouldn't count

They may have gone to the polls to vote on other issues and decided to vote their candidate anyway. And some said they voted just to show support for their candidate. The DNC has rules for which States vote when. If all the States ignored the rules of the party there would/could be chaos in the primaries.

[Barrymores Ghost]

138. This should be a TOP-post.

Bravo -- I don't think it could be put any more succinctly, and I whole-heartedly share your resentment of those who make cheap parlor games and political stunts out of a citizen's right to vote.

[stevenleser]

142. You are right of course, but it doesnt matter. Obama will seat those delegates and that is the

position we should all take in the matter. He now has enough of a cushion to win even by seating them, so we can all put this whole argument to bed.

[Jennicut]

88. He is probably going to work out a deal now, he can win without them now

[DMorgan]

89. EVEN SEATING Mich and FL................

Obama is STILL ahead!

So they will be seated.

[Pawel K]

93. You didn't have these objections before January, did you?

[Fox Mulder]

121. You're going to have to wait another eight years or more for a woman president.

It's not going to happen this year.

And you're only supporting Hillary because she's a woman? That's bullshit.

[stevenleser]

141. He already has enough of a lead to where he can win with seating Michigan and Florida as is

and he will do that at the convention, so there is no angst necessary there.

[cali]

7. What a wonderful post. Thank you.

I'm sorry for your disappointment.

[havocmom]

A voice of sanity. Thank you.

Yes, we need to heal, come together and kick the GOP to the moon! Take the WH and Take the Hill with a resounding majority!

[SallyMander]

8. Great post - K & R

Welcome to DU! :toast:

[Lyric]

10. Hillary supporter

Riiight. :eyes:

[bleuvixen]

16. Believe it or not.

I just realize its over, its time to move on and support the winner.

[Lyric]

38. There is no healing for me.

You do as you wish, and good luck to you. I've been called a racist, told that my vote "won't be missed", had my integrity called into question for no better reason than not supporting Obama, told that I should STFU about McClurkin, 'cause "It's over, we won, GET OVER IT", called an idiot, a "Hillbot", a Freeper, a traitor, blind, stupid, evil, Rovian, a Republican.

Healing? Never. Not a fucking chance. I'll vote for Obama in November if he wins, but I'll vote with rage in my heart for the people who put him there. Not that it's going to matter. My state (West Virginia) would have gone for Clinton in the general, but will go for McCain with Obama as the nominee, no question about it. So with Obama as the nominee, my vote doesn't matter anyway.

If I truly believed it was going to be "President Obama" in November, I wouldn't be nearly so upset. But it's not. It's going to be President McCain as the last of the working class defects en masse to the Repukes, who will be waiting to welcome them with grins every BIT as smug as the smuggest Obama supporter on DU.

I hope Obama supporters have enjoyed their vitriolic hate-fest--'cause the tables will be turned very soon. They're going to get every bit of their "GET OVER IT!'s" stuffed right back down their throats by the Repukes come November, and although I'll mourn for my country, I won't feel the LEAST bit sorry for anyone who's spent the past few months tearing down the only candidate who truly had a chance to beat McCain. I'd like to say that they've brought it on themselves, but that's not true; they've brought it on us ALL. They might win the battle, but if they do, the country loses the war.

No healing. No forgiveness for once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. When the Democratic party loses in November, the Obama fan club members have only themselves to blame.

[Endangered Specie]

82. So let me get this straight... you complain about hate and virtrol,

yet you did so by posting hate and vitrol...

You might want to add "hypocrite" to the list of names you've been called.

[otohara]

108. In Times Like These I Think of Al Gore

at least Hillary didn't have a rightful nomination ripped from her by a bias court and freaky neocons shouting "stop the vote", nor have we seen "sore loser woman" signs.

On the other hand, maybe we should blame Al Gore for inventing this tool that allows people from anywhere to voice their opinions in completely rude ways because we're not sitting in the same room.

Anyway...Al Gore doesn't want to even be the party elder in this mess - he healed and really moved on.

[Tafiti]

109. What are you, 12?

It's pretty disheartening to come onto this message board, knowing full well that it's mostly middle-aged folks on here, and yet the level of immaturity never ceases to amaze me.

There's some serious shit at stake here in the upcoming general election. Get over yourself.

[Ignis]

118. Your priorities are seriously misguided.

I'll vote for Obama in November if he wins, but I'll vote with rage in my heart for the people who put him there.

If you really think that Obama is some sort of Manchurian Candidate whose only purpose is to ensure 8 more years of Republican rule, why not rage at him directly? Why rage at those patriotic Democrats who did their duty by voting in their state primaries?

When the Democratic party loses in November, the Obama fan club members have only themselves to blame.

No. If that really does happen, we ALL will have bitter people like you to blame, because you're too hung up on your investment in a particular candidate to GOTV and work for the Democratic nominee.

[ExPatLeftist]

134. What I see is someone judging MILLIONS

of Obama supporters based on the actions of a handful of individuals (13 individuals, apparently).

What you apparently did not see was the same sort of thing going on in the other direction (I saw plenty in both directions). Because you make the flawed assumption that the fact that people called you names and the fact that they are also Obama supporters is in some way related. I have seen people of all political stripes attempt to "debate" in this fashion, and the common trait of those people is not their candidate of choice. It is that


THEY ARE ASSHOLES


and they will always exist and some of them will support any and every candidate, ever.

But tying this to a particular candidate is incredibly illogical and assumptive. Neither Barack Obama nor I (as a fellow Obama supporter) has any control over what they say, and your judgment of all members of a group based on the actions of a few of their members - isn't that exactly what we are all fighting - profiling? generalizations? prejudice?

Please do not fall into the trap of assuming that all people that support a particular candidate share anything else in common, or think with a hive mind, or act as a unit rather than a diverse collection of INDIVIDUALS.

Do not punish Barack Obama, the Democratic party, or your nation for the actions of this small handful of assholes.

[sniffa]

139. I know you're upset now

and hopefully you come out of it at some point. As I said to you last night, you need to dial it down a notch.

[FatDave]

159. Everybody was called names, on both sides

I was called a sexist and worse. They said I wanted to disenfranchise voters. My logic and truthfulness were called into question on countless occasions. I tried to stay above the fray as best I could.

There's a lot of anonymous assholes on any message board, and when you have two factions battling it out things will inevitably get nasty. Both sides had their share of assholes, and the assholes struck at everyone. But we need to all get over it now. Sticks, stones, and all that shit. And we sure as hell can't blame our favorite candidate's opponent for what some anonymous assholes said on a message board.

And one other thing: you chose to be here. You chose to come into GD:P. There were stickies all over the place about how to ignore GD:P threads, so don;t act like they were forced upon you. You could have stopped reading GD:P posts any time you chose, so I have to assume you were getting something out of the fight.

But if you can't shake the grudge, fine. You're free to stop coming to DU altogether. Just please vote for the democratic nominee in the fall, whether you like them or not. If you think McCain's a better choice than Obama, then I--and I know I'm not alone in this--question your commitment to the Democratic party.

(edited to turn off smilies)

[mhoran]

172. I hope you change your mind

We're going to win in November. It'll be a shame for you to miss the party.

[Prophet 451]

178. Sweetheart...

Look, you know I've only ever been a lukewarm Obama supporter (I wanted Kucinich) and more importantly, you know me.

The McClurkin thing was idiocy, no question. I still don't know what the hell Obama was thinking there but, in fairness, Hillary hasn't denounced DOMA or DADT either. Sure, Obama's stupidity on McClurkin was more extreme but these are politicians, luv, with a couple of notable exceptions (Kucinich, the late Paul Wellstone), they're fucking cowards when it comes to principled but unpopular decisions. They'll go with the popular decision over the right decision every time. Obama did it, Bill Clinton did it and I'm pretty sure Hillary would have too.

As far as vitriol goes, yeah, both sides have been throwing a fair amount around but in all honesty, I've seen more coming from the Hillbots (as distinct from Hillary supporters) than from the other side. Maybe that's just me, I dunno. I do know that I've been personally accused of sexism here twice purely for not supporting Hillary. Some percentage of the supporters of any candidate are going to be assholes. There's not much we can do about that.

I doubt Hillary's ability to carry WV just as much as Obama's. The state backed W in both 2000 and 2004 by a big margin. Maybe things have changed, you're in a better position to say.

Either of them could have beaten McCain in the general before this campaign got started but the polling now says that Obama has the better chance. In all honesty, this primary season has been so bruising that I have a nasty suspician that whoever won would have ended up losing to McCain but it's not yet lost. It's by no means certain that Obama will lose to McCain and there's every indication that he won't. Most polls show Obama winning a head-to-head match-up by between 1 and 4 points (RealClearPolitics averages them at 2.4: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html). There are a lot of people in the US that wouldn't vote for Hillary if she whipped up a cure for cancer, you know that and even if she had beaten Obama handily, that would always have been an anchor around her neck.

[lyonn]

104. I believe you since I was convinced yesterday that this process

was going to be very long as I expected Hillary to cut into Obama's lead in N. Carolina and Obama lose by a large margin in Indiana. She was coming on strong and Obama appeared a bit down in the last few days, thought maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. All along I knew there was a good chance Hillary would get the nomination and had decided that we don't know either candidate so well that we can predict how they will actually perform in the job of a president. I have supported Obama since there was only 2 candidates left, but, there is no way I wouldn't vote for Hillary. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No more repubs running this country at least until we can fix the mess they have made, again!

[indimuse]

149. JUstr realized???

what ever! Tis swhy my vote is and always will be for the TRUE Progressive Democrrat.. Hillary! Shes a fighter...and a Winner!

[Lucky 13]

94. You are correct in skepticism.

The OP clearly possesses more logic and reason than the average Hillary supporter. However, I take her at her word.

[Jakes Progress]

115. Way to heal.

So you're still going with that kind of line huh? More logic and reason than the average Hillary supporter. You still working the freeper line or do you just not get what's at stake? Can't you even stand by what your candidate says?

[Lucky 13]

143. I am not Barack Obama. Barack Obama is not me.

I am not Barack Obama. Barack Obama is not me. He speaks for himself. I speak for myself. He has to be careful with his words. I don't have to be careful about a god damned thing.

Why is it that it's ok for her to "fight until August" but we have to turn the other cheek? What happened to, "If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen!"?? Hypocrites.

I only posted my genuine opinion. It does astound me that a Hillary supporter would post what this OP did with such cool headed sensible logic. It has been notably ABSENT from the vast majority of Hillary supporters here for quite some time. Now, with this DEBACLE continuing, I genuinely feel there is some kind of mass delusion going on or group denial or something. It's fascinating and scary and sad.

Ain't trying to start a fight. But I was truly surprised, and delightfully so, by the OP. But the game's still on apparently. Got a problem with it? Talk to Hillary.

[RememberWellstone]

151. Me too..I don't believe it.

He, she , it just got here and is touting unity?? Riiight.

[virgdem]

11. Thank you.

As an Obama supporter, I welcome your support. Not all of us have been flame throwers against Hillary supporters on this board, and although I am really disappointed in her tactics, I hold nothing against her supporters.

[Beregond2]

12. Thanks

for your class and common sense.

[Eurobabe]

13. If Indiana is closer than 5%, I think she might get out.

Classy post, I honestly don't know if I would work for HRC if she were the nominee, so that makes you a bigger person than me. :hi:

[roguevalley]

32. 6% now

[washingdem]

14. Classy, and sorry if we've been smug. Welcome aboard. Let's go win this thing.

[MikeNearMcChord]

15. I think all of us need to come together.

Our fight is always against John McCain and his plan to give America another four years of the now discredited Reagan/Bush governance. I'm with you bluevixen! :hi: :dem: :pals:

[OzarkDem]

17. Welcome to DU

:eyes:

[Beausoir]

19. Obama folks are so gullible. 13 posts. LOL.

[But....]

102. Honest people...

see honesty in other people:shrug:

[RainDog]

20. A beautiful and gracious post

thank you.

k&r

[blue sky at night]

22. man....

almost forgot: Welcome to DU! and yes I recommended it, Thanks!

[kwyjibo]

Yay! It is definitely time to move on.

[NorthCarolina]

23. Great post K&R

eom

[Aloha Spirit]

24. this is a bandwagon I'm comfortable jumping on.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

25. From an Obama supporter

Thanks for the well-thought out and graceful post. I've been avoiding GDP since the whole slug-fest began, but I'm glad I clicked through today to read your post. It makes me proud to be a Democrat to see someone post something of integrity instead of slinging a bunch of mud (both sides are guilty).

And BTW, I would have worked my ass for Hillary had she been the nominee.

At heart, we're all Democrats, and the healing needs to begin so we can fight the battle of our lives to beat McCain in November and end the years of tyrannical, abusive, and combative republican rule.

:)

[tpsbmam]

26. Wow, I'm not sure I'd be as generous if HRC was my candidate. But I'm

incredibly grateful for your eloquent post. I, too, have gotten sick of the nastiness and have yearned for this primary season to end. In truth, it's mostly for selfish reasons -- I'm just plain fed up with it. And like you, I hope that people calm down and cool it on the nastiness. I've never put anyone on ignore before this primary season -- now I have supporters of both candidates on ignore. Ugh -- time to stop and heal. I do think it's damaging, though there have been some benefits (as you pointed out).

[bleuvixen]

30. I find it funny that

people are still doubtful. After everything I poured into my post and all the crow I have had to eat IRL. I can't wait for GD:P to go away and we can all get back to the goal at hand.

[calimary]

83. Hey, bleuvixen, don't you fret about them. And Welcome to DU!

I'll be first to concede that I haven't had the luxury of enough time to pour over every thread here. I've missed a lot of the vitriol that other posts here describe. I haven't seen it from Obama people. Haven't really seen much of anything from the Clinton people, either.

And I don't see anything forcing you to eat crow. You shouldn't have to, anyway. You made your choices with open eyes and information to fuel the decisions. You did it in good faith. You did it with the strongest conviction that you were taking the very best corrective steps for the sake of our country. For the sake of our poor. For the sake of our veterans. For the sake of our homeless. For the sake of our beaten-down middle class. For the sake of the 9/11 mourners. For the sake of the Iraq and Afghanistan mourners. For the sake of kids in public schools. For the sake of the uninsured and under-insured. For the sake of the aged. And the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on...

I hope the Obama people (and I'm one) are graceful in their victory, and that we all remember as of this moment that things can still change on a dime. It's not in the bag yet. And we're ALL going to need each other to win this - and win it for everybody, after all.

Now is the time when all good Dems should come to the aid of their party - because doing so means coming to the aid of their country. Our country needs us desperately, and believe me, the republi-CONS aren't going to do it.

We embrace you, bleuvixen, and glad you'll hopefully be pouring into your future posts on the subject of US WINNING IN NOVEMBER.

And you realize that, don't you? It'll be ALL OF US winning in November! Shit - even the bad guys, once removed (even if they don't want to admit it), because our winning in November means the country will start to heal, we will start to clean up the mega-mess that's been left behind - all over EVERYWHERE, America as a whole will regain its self-respect, and begin to stand tall in the world again. We might even come to be trusted again. Our word might start to mean something again. EVERYBODY, whether D's or R's or I's, would wind up winning in that case.

Our way is better. Our people are better - Obama and Clinton both. Our ideas are better - because they're gonna help everybody in one way or another, instead of always just a select, wealthy, elite few. Everyone will benefit. Everybody's a winner here.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but I thought of something else that it might help you to ponder. I think what you've seen is just a symptom of how crazed so many of us have become as this long nightmare has dragged on. We have been hit on all sides, from every direction in all dimensions by these schmucks. We've had no support. Our reps have failed us time and time again as they caved and caved and caved and caved and caved and caved and caved. It's been all the more painful as we here have recognized again and again that we were correct all along, like about the war and all the shit that's gone down just in that one sordid misadventure. That pain has been awfully hard to take. Especially when so many of us did as much as we could to try to stop the bushies or at least slow them down. The added fact that this horrible period of our history just never seemed to end - it only got worse and worse week after week, month after month, with no relief, that I think some of us went kinda nuts. I think some of us were just driven to it.

And on top of that, up til 2006 we kept losing and losing and losing. It just never was our turn. Or, more accurately, it WAS our turn many times and the republi-CONS stole it - the only way they can win anymore, by cheating. I think it just made some of us really emotional and crazy. You know how it is when you have a family spat? Those closest to you lash out at you ferociously, and you back at them. You only hurt the one you love and all that. I really think that kind of psychological effect is in play here. We've all been like so many hostages, in our own country, for almost EIGHT YEARS. That's enough to drive anyone nearly mad. EIGHT YEARS steeped in that morning and night, day after day, in seeming perpetuity! And with no other recourse and a closeness because we've all found this little alcove in which to talk serious politics, we turn on each other. 'Cause that's all we have: Each other. I think there are lots of people on this board who are so upset about all that we've been through, AND it actually started in earnest in 1994 when gingrich and his Gang of Goons took over the House of Reps, with their "Contract ON America" and their slash-n-burn politics, with hate radio at their back, buoying them up and keeping their engines revving at top speed. That and the whole on-going, never-ending Clinton persecution throughout the '90's, leading to THIS God-forsaken crater in our history - has made for an excruciatingly rough go for far too long. We're all stir-crazy! So sometimes it brings out the best in you, and some other times when it bring out the beast in you! And those of us struggling with it have those dragons to slay within ourselves. We'll have to get over that. And we will.

Hopefully you'll understand and be patient with us a little. This has been hard on all of us.

[But....]

103. get out of my mind..

:wow:

[calimary]

168. Bwaaaa-haaa-haaaa... Welcome to DU!

Cheers! Your mind is lovely, btw!

[But....]

182. Thanks,

although it's 'welcome back':hi:


P.S.-:loveya: the avatar

[lyonn]

110. Damn, you nailed, we have been disappointed too many times

even by our own Dems. Paranoid maybe, ha....

[Jakes Progress]

119. It will go a long way toward the healing

if some of the Barack people would recognize "those dragons to slay" within themselves. Could we just have a halt on all the MSM bs about how rupublican the Clintons are? Could we have a stop to the Rove created meme about the bad old Clinton years? I just watched a program this morning on Rachel Ray where Bill spoke for a group of people at a benefit for nutrition. He is a warm and inspiring man, one we Democrats need to embrace once again now that we don't have to use the MSM playbook for a primary campaign. Those who still harbor the nastiness about Bill and Hillary need to look at the real world and start learning the real history of your party. Of course the freeper snipers and paid trolls will keep it up. Now we will know how to find them.

I'm voting for the Democratic candidate. How much money and how much time I use to support the campaign will depend on whether I feel that my work and money and soul are valued by that candidate and those who support that candidate.

[mhoran]

161. Why is it so hard to see...

...that each side has a small, but loud, group of bad actors?

[calimary]

169. Welcome to DU! Glad you're here. I think (or at least I'm hoping) that there will be

enough time for people on all sides to stop for a moment and catch their breath, and get their political wheels realigned. We've been like a needle in the same groove for so long it's probably become a habit we need to break.

Whatever you wind up doing, SOMEBODY'S gonna appreciate it. Guaranteed.

[Raine]

27. WELCOME to DU

Glad to have you here. :hi:

[EmilyAnne]

28. I'm sorry, bleuvixen. I know you are going to be feeling very down if she concedes.

She put up a real fight and she owed that to her passionate supporters. It'll be awesome to now put all of that passion into defeating McCain. I believe that if Hillary steps down, she will also get behind Barack. THAT will start the healing and create a movement that will wipe out any chances for another Republican in the White House!

Thanks for this thoughtful post from one Democrat to another!

[bleuvixen]

34. It will TEAR me up.

to see that.... I will not lie, it will hurt after all this.

Once its done and settles in she will get behind Obama and help us all pull together, I think she has said this in her comments and statement about him. I believe Hillary will show us true unity.

[EmilyAnne]

37. I am so sorry. I really hate that a part of the Democrat party will be really hurting.

You are being so kind and gracious in spite of your disappointment. Try to keep your chin up and, whatever happens over the next few days, keep in mind that Hillary Clinton can and will continue to be a powerful advocate for change in this country.

[DevonRex]

33. Love ya vix! Thanks for the positive post. And indeed it is time

to move on and heal the wounds.

[dancingme]

36. Thank You! Now let's beat McCain

we are all together on retaking the WH and ending this war!

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Classy post. And you're right

Obama is talking in NC now, and the speech seems to be a lot about mending fences and going forward together. I hope that sense carries through - we just MUST work together against McCain!

We have been fortunate to have two very driven, very intelligent, very caring candidates. Time to coalesce behind our winner and ... win!

[RiverStone]

41. Thanks for a heart felt and positive post!

peace~:pals:

[Kokonoe]

42. Thank You bleuvixen

Lets hope for a truly great 08'.

[rodeodance]

43. there was no

need to punch her on your way over to obama. You know many factors have been involved in Hillary's problems. With your last sentence, i do not believe your heart was ever into Hillary as your candidate.
but whatever. good luck.


........p.s. I won't lie, I had been hoping Hillary would be the one we were all fighting behind, but after all is said and done, I think she can only blame herself. Sad too, she would have been a great President.

[bleuvixen]

46. well believe what you will.

I have been behind hillary '08 since before she ran for NY! I think she SEVERELY underestimated Obama and flopped on the 50 state strategy, she tried and did a damn good job, won (IMO) the debates but lost to the incredible grassroots of Obama. She will step back and learn a great deal from this, and if she has a chance for 2012 I think she will be a better candidate because of it.

[mhoran]

155. Unfair

and uncalled for.

[Kahuna]

44. Aw. Bless your heart.

:pals:

[MadMaddie]

45. bleuvixen we were All always Democratic Supporters

and we here at DU function sometimes like a dysfunctional family but in the end we all know the deal. We all know that we have to beat the Republicans and obliterate McCain in the election in November. We can only do it together.


Great Post!!:grouphug:

[Darth_Kitten]

47. Can the disruptor kiddies just leave GDP alone?

For the love of God. :eyes:

[bleuvixen]

49. go away

if you have nothing to ad.

[orleans]

51. question: how'd you get to be so luck signing up and starting a thread

all on the same day?

i don't remember how long it took me before i could start a thread, but it wasn't the same day i signed up!

LUCKY!

[bleuvixen]

57. Its not luck, just followed the rules. I was a member her time ago and

back now that my emotions are down and I am thinking clear.

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bleuvixen]

58. Don't need you to pay notice.

just don't crap in my thread.

Once you calm down it will be better for everyone. Caio.

[izzybeans]

48. .

:hug: and hoping for a :grouphug:

[mikekohr]

50. Obama Supporter Here, thank you!

Classy post.

We may disagree on small matters and candidates but we are family here. We will come together and beat back the third term of George W. Bush this November, and lift the ENTIRE Democratic ticket to reset the Roosevelt coalition.

mike kohr

-Victory in '08-

[Rubiconski2009]

52. Awesome Bleuvixen !!

Obama! Obama! Obama!

:yourock: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast:

[TBF]

54. Thanks for a great post, bleuvixen.

[harun]

55. Nice post. No matter what happens we are just f*cked if a Repub

wins. So I am going to work my ass off for defeating McCain.

The price of everything is really hurting me and my family. We can't mess around this election bickering. We need to get tough and destroy the opponent.

[samsingh]

56. that's a great idea. thank you.

[zulchzulu]

59. Get on the Welcome Wagon, brother! K&R!

We've got some McSame butt to kick.

[TexasObserver]

60. Your words are wise. We do have to come together behind Obama.

[Auntie Bush]

61. I need a lot more anti-Obiotics.

[DerekJ]

62. Thank you :)

:yourock:

[Mme. Defarge]

63. C’est tres élégant

ma chère! Welcome to the revolution!!! :hug: :patriot:

[bleuvixen]

65. Merci!

[roamer65]

64. Time to unify, beat Insane McCain and save this country from disaster.

I agree with you and on to November.

[jbm]

66. you lost me at "I think she can only blame herself"

Hillary Clinton has nothing to be ashamed of-ever. She has served this country and the Democratic party for all of her political life. She was at least entitled to a little respect and decency, and instead she has been called every name in the book by members of her party, other Dem politicians, and media people like Keith Olbermann (who I used to respect).

I don't want any association with people that think it's OK to treat someone that way. I'm sure the Obama people will read this and say "good riddance', but that won't surprise me. It's quite obvious that's the sort of people they are.

[bleuvixen]

70. Shame?

I never said ashamed, she is to blame for the way her campaign has been run, she didn't expect such a fight and such a rival (thats all I can surmise from seeing it ll these months) she did a hell of a job and for that I salute her a

[archiemo]

67. Great post ... we welcome your efforts for the cause!!!

[calimary]

68. Welcome to DU! Thank you for this!

What a terrific post! So beautifully stated.

I stand by those same words of yours that I, too, made months ago - I WILL work myself silly for whoever wins, whether it's Hillary or Barack. I happen to be an Obama supporter, so this is an exhilarating night for me, but if Hillary eventually prevails, I'm there.

The point, and Hillary made it quite ingeniously today, I thought (at least that's when I heard it) - it's a driving reference:

You wanna go forward, go with the D. If you want to go backwards, go with the R.

The most important thing of all is to hang a D on that White House door in January.

And KEEP IT THERE!!!!!

[Vote2008]

69. Nice post. I hope Hillary does the right thing. You are a class act!

[bleuvixen]

72. Thank you! and Good Night Everyone!

[Catherina]

73. People like you make it easy to believe there will be unity again

Whatever the buddy list does, I just added you to mine

[akbacchus_BC]

77. There will be unity, we just have to work on it. n/t

[candidatechopin]

74. I don't see the urge to "move on"

Obama leads McCain in both the latest NYT" and AP/Ipsos polls. It's not like the contest is hurting him.

[Catherine Vincent]

75. I think you're lying.

Sorry.

[bleuvixen]

85. Your opinion is yours....

but can I ask... lying about what? What possible reason do I have to lie?

[akbacchus_BC]

76. Thank you for your post, an excellent voice of reason. I congratulate

Senator Clinton for being the winner of Virginia, even though all the votes have not been counted. She would make an excellent President too as opposed to a Republican. I just wish my fellow Obama supporters will stop with the negative comments against Senator Clinton. Come on guys, be a positive winner for Senator Obama, let's celebrate. We need to unify the supporters of both camp, not jump up and down ridiculing Senator Clinton's supporters! Just remember one thing, Senator Clinton did toughen up Senator Obama. Peace and please do not flame me, am asking in advance. The party needs to be united, thank you.

[Spiffarino]

78. Jerks will be jerks

...and they're on every side.

My wife is a big Hillary fan. I like Obama best. And, come November, three things will remain true:

1. We will remain married
2. We will be crazy in love with each other
3. We will vote a straight Democratic ticket

Had it gone the other way, these three things would still be true. And after this primary season ends, the wounds will heal and we will come together and it will be people like you who make it happen.

:hug:

[bleuvixen]

152. Ain't that the truth!

haha, its soooo funny here online, when you reply to them you can see the anger in the next post, its just so clear, but when you just let them be (as thread dumping as that is) they just.... go away.... its such a sweet thing.

[barack the house]

80. It' is veyr uplifting to see great positivity on all sides.

[barack the house]

81. It' is veyr uplifting to see great positivity on all sides.

[Apollo11]

84. Excellent post

I am proud to be your 40th rec! :hi:

[thevoiceofreason]

86. As I've said for a while - I can't wait until we all come together.

[LWolf]

87. You do that.

My wounds will heal when the Democratic Party runs a democratic, clean, fair primary, and when there is no centrist/corporate/3rd way/"new" dem/neoliberal nominated.

[Jakes Progress]

123. So you don't expect your wounds to heal

until at least 2012?

[LWolf]

179. My "wounds" will heal when there is a REAL

progressive in the WH, and there is a majority of REAL, not faux, progressives in Congress.

[BurtWorm]

90. Well said

:applause:

[GOPBasher]

91. Very classy. Thank you, and welcome to DU! eom

[Pluvious]

92. Thanks for your post - I've been in the middle, and...

and all this time just sad at how "Repug-like" so many on both sides
have been acting. With so much at stake, it just makes so little sense.

I will admit, I've been a bit concern about how much hate there is on
the Repug side against Hillary, and it just seemed that of our two
remaining choices (I was rooting for Edwards) she had less a chance
of gaining cross-over votes from the Repugs...

Our county, and the whole World is MESSED UP, and McSame is not the one
to fix it...

We just need to get the FRELL out of Iraq, put some regulatory fixes into
our economy - including Wallstreet, do something about health-care,
ween us off oil, get serious about global warming, and start fixing
our country's crumbling infrastructure.

All that money Bush blew fucking up the Middle East could
have gone toward social security needs in the coming future,
and the many other needs of our Country, but instead we have
a broken economy and a fucking HUGE debt...

THANKS GEORGE !!!

[BlooInBloo]

95. As soon as you convince Clinton supporters to stop, I'll stop.

[bleuvixen]

96. Stop what exactly?

I think if you stop and think about it you will come to realize that if you (you, me, all of us) are the bigger person, a lot of this crap will stop on both sides.

[BlooInBloo]

97. Fine. Let them be bigger than me and stop first. Until Obama formally has the nomination...

Or Clinton and her supporters give up, the fight isn't over.

[Jakes Progress]

126. Here's one of the posts

that make me think freeper. No healing on Bloo's watch.

[mhoran]

157. Wrong attitude

It's time to take the high road.

[bleuvixen]

98. *****UPDATE*******

After some long thought and some reflection on everything, I wanted to post a quick update... I will admit that I really thought Hillary would end her run yesterday. I really felt it was over for her and that she would concede. I have got some "interesting" correspondence here on this board, some private threats, some thanks and some in between. I am not a Obama shill and I have personally helped Clinton get to where she is in this race, but I thought she was done and I thought that was best for the party.

I admire her fight and honestly I don't really have a problem that she is going on, maybe she wants to go out with a few wins under her belt, maybe she wants to fight tooth and nail for something we don't think she can win. I don't know what is going on in her head and no one should pretend to.

I do know that the fighting needs to stop on both sides before anything can change. Here is a HINT: calling someone's candidate a "witch, crazy loon, insane, Hillbilly, etc. etc." does NOTHING to help your candidate.

I will be sitting on the sidelines, but watching very closely what happens in the next weeks up to the convention. I still support her right to continue on, that is part of the system and I don't think ANYONE should be forced out yet. Lets keep voting, lets hope the Supers start growing some balls and making decisions, above all, lets keep registering new Dems and keep flipping republicans and independents alike to vote (D) in 2008!

[IsItJustMe]

99. I agree. Bile and trolls on both sides, but that is to be expected. Time to beat some Republican

ass.

[medicswife]

101. Beautifully said

Let's all work our BUTTS off for the Nominee! Letting John McCain get elected would be like getting a hand grenade, pulling the pin, and swallowing it.

[9thkvius]

106. I hope it will be over soon too - thanks for being magnanimous and classy

Well said, and a well deserved K&R.

[acetylyne]

111. thank you for your sensibility and civility

I know many Hillary supporters are struggling with the grief of the candidate that they truly believed in going down. All democrats can relate, we may not have had ideal candidates in Gore and Kerry, but we know what it's like to be on the losing side. I hope my fellow Obama supporters can rise above the temptation to rub the Hillary supporters faces in the mud so that we may unite our people and all come together in celebration by thoroughly routing the bush dynasty in november.

[dlfuller]

112. The person who lost this race was Hillary

Hillary is the one who lost this race. It has been her actions, her words, her history. No one else.
I understand that people who can see this are frustrated with those who can not.
Given her history I can not see that she would have been a "great President", just another repeat of same ol same ol.
But if she would have been the nominee I would have voted for her to keep an even worse candidate from the job.

PS
This whole "mending wounds" is a crock. I will never forget ANY lies, or votes on the wrong side of the issue, or the selling out of the people for corporations no matter WHO it is.
We the people will be keeping our eyes on whomever is elected. They better remember that.

[Jakes Progress]

128. 24 post under his belt

and a new staffer for the neocons takes his place here. What's the going rate?

[Heather MC]

114. Put your money where your mouth is

If you believe Obama will be the Nominee, and you will support him. Then start now
go check out his website, donate to his campaign, give what you can.

Sign up for an Obama Event.
what ever you did to support Hillary. Start doing that to support Obama!

[bleuvixen]

150. NO

not yet. I said above and I will say again, I am done donating now, I will donate & help call again once he is chosen and our funds go strictly to the GE, money to keep fighting Hillary is a waste to me.

[Heather MC]

166. Fair enough,

However, almost half his money has to be saved for the GE Party Rules
but Waiting is good, at this point it's just a waiting game it's all about he SD,s Now.

[Vote4Change]

116. Well Said.

Now, if you could just get Senator Clinton to accept that which has become obvious to you, we could all join hands and seriously kick some McButt in November. I think Senator Obama and Senator Clinton supporters could create a formidable alliance toward ending the authoritarian rule of the neocon right.

[mkultra]

117. Obama supporter here. im ready

It is time to start rebuilding our bridge.


Let me first start by saying that many obama supporters want to resolve differences, but calling them rude at this point only makes it harder for them to respect your needs. It shoudl be clear that there was alot of venom from both sides.

If you want people to apologize, you must give them a way out of an argument in such a way that they can save face. That will let them feel that they can expose their true feelings regarding their own behavior.

[Jakes Progress]

129. You mean like your attitude in this post?

[slinkerwink]

122. thank you for a great post!

[mattclearing]

124. Calling Obama supporters rude is like Hillary calling the Obama campaign negative or

race-baiting. We didn't start the fight, but we have no problem finishing it, just like our nominee.

[JuniperLea]

127. Was this tacky shit really necessary?

Why can't we just unite without final barbs? Why is it ok because Johnny did it first?

[mattclearing]

130. Because the OP couldn't help taking a swipe.

It's not an attempt to reconcile if you're calling the people you supposedly want to reconcile with rude...both sides have been to varying degrees rude, to call one side rude without a mea culpa concedes a total lack of understanding of the situation.

[JuniperLea]

135. Wouldn't saying that instead of a counter attack have been the better way to go?

What you've said right here is perfect.

[mattclearing]

136. I suppose.

But I liked my first answer better. :D

[bleuvixen]

146. No swipes here sunshine...

My exact words "I know they are a just a fraction of people, who are rude..." that is the TRUTH. These same people on the Hillary side are there too I am sure, but I have not been on the wrath side so I can only comment on you guys.

No swipes, just truth. And perhaps you need to wonder why out of that whole post and even compliments you have picked out & twisted the one bit of "negativity"?

[Jakes Progress]

131. Because a lot of neocon trolls

are about to be out of work. It doesn't help their bottom line to have any healing take place.

[TragedyandHope]

132. Thank you for your post!

It was a well-fought contest between two excellent candidates. Hillary supporters such as yourself will be the KEY to winning the White House. I hope more Obama supporters will be quick to realize that and act accordingly.

Welcome! Onward to November!

[sonias]

133. Thank you for your wise words

And welcome to the Democratic race for November against "100 year war in Iraq" McCain!

:hug:


Sonia

[mcollier]

137. McCain is having a 7 million dollar fund raising Dinner Tonight

We must continue to support and grow our team to defeat these special interest groups... The media has done the most instigating and creating the perception that there is a war in the democratic party. It was an effective "distractionary" tactic to keep our focus off the War in Iraq and the FUBAR Bush policies that McSame McCain has embraced.

The Republican party will be decimated in the fall. They are losing the support of evangelicals who no longer consider Rush Limbaugh their mouth piece. Reach out to all Americans and ask for their support in changing Washington. That is the only way we can get things done for Our People, Our Country and the World.

[iamthebandfanman]

140. if the situation was reversed

id be all behind hillary...
but it isnt, and shes not acting very adult like about it.


i fear shes ruining her rep with the entire base, which will hurt her in later things..

[Jamastiene]

144. These wounds will NEVER heal for me.

To think, I wasted all those years sticking up for people just to be called every name in the book by said people.

[bleuvixen]

147. Sorry to hear

If I have said anything to you under stress, anything unacceptable, I truly apologize and hope we can move forward.

[Barrymores Ghost]

153. As I recall, a little over three months ago, you referred to both Obama and Clinton as...

..."Generic DINO #1 and Generic DINO #2," although perhaps not necessarily in that order. I'm not sure what made you change your mind about one over the other, but I'd ask that you take a second to reflect upon that fact before you allow yourself to be consumed with indignation.

You and I were both staunch Kucinich and Edwards supporters who agree in principle that our faves were either manhandled or utterly ignored by the media. Seems to me we've all taken some licks in here.

I hope you can shake this off.

(edit for typos)

[wrando]

181. now be nice and do as you're told

bill from ct

[RememberWellstone]

148. Really? Welcome to DU Obama.

Nice to see you here...got any more grand speeches?

[mhoran]

154. One More Thank You...and Disregard the Haters

Your post was thoughtful, touching and heartfelt.

Unfortunately, there will always be ungracious winners and sore losers who will lash out no matter how conciliatory and genuine your efforts might be. For those who continue to spew anger, divisiveness, and hate, their problems are about and within themselves, no matter how much they attack and blame others.

To me, this entire primary process is akin to siblings fighting. They may fight like hell at times but, in the end, they stick together. And so will we.

And we will, without a doubt, put a Democrat back in the White House in 2008.

[Barrymores Ghost]

156. I don't believe for a second that you're a Hillary supporter...

...it was, nonetheless, a cordial post. Welcome.

[pjt7]

158. Great post

~

[bleuvixen]

160. Not that it matters much, but

can I ask WHY? is it because every Hillary supporter here in this thread had just thread-crapped and posted FUD?

I am sorry if that is your vision of us, a few bad seeds really did spoil the bunch. I can assure you that I am and always have been a Hillary Clinton supporter.

[Barrymores Ghost]

165. There's been enough thread-crapping to go around...

...and I'm certainly guilty of my share. Your post just struck me as a device an Obama supporter might use to try to make nice and "set a good example"...not that there's anything necessarily horrible about that.

If you really ARE a Hillary supporter, then all the more power to you.

[Postman]

162. GUARANTEED VICTORY IN NOVEMBER = OBAMA/CLINTON ticket.

n/t

[bleuvixen]

164. Now that I would get behind.

Sadly, I don't think it would ever happen, but boy that would sure sink piss many Repugs off. JAJAJA

[FatDave]

163. Thank you, bleuvixen

Even if I was never personally rude to you, I'll apologize on behalf of those who were. Sorry you had a rough time here. We all did, on both sides.

On edit: And now that you're here, seriously, you've got to try this Kool-Aid! :D

[grantcart]

167. very classy and apologize for any rudeness that went your way

[ralbertson]

177. I second that emotion, grantcart & bleuvixen

No matter where any possible rudeness in the comments may and/or may not have come from and/or was possibly directed to, as far as I am concerned this OP is totally spot-on.

It is time for the healing to happen, for all of us to come together, for each of us to acknowledge that some of our favored candidates' more outspoken supporters may at times have gone too far because of the passion of their support -- but that the bottom line here is that we are ALL Democrats, and that we ALL need to do everything we possibly can to elect a Democrat to the White House and, just as (or possibly even more critically) elect Democrats to every available downticket slot in November.

And while nobody's saying we all have to suddenly switch over to hugs kisses & Kumbaya here, y'all -- imho, in order to accomplish that end goal in November, we each have to remember that all of us true DUers are Democrats first and foremost and in the final analysis. Period. If that means we need to agree to forgive and forget, respect and recognize, acknowledge and admire the strengths in each of our capable candidates and our shared agenda and, most essentially, our common cause in bringing this country back towards where it belongs -- well, then that is what we can and should and need to do... collectively, not separately.

bleuvixen, I have no reason to suspect your stated identity as a returned DUer who supported Senator Clinton out of passion and personal belief. I will assume until proven otherwise that you spoke eloquently, graciously, and from the heart in this OP. I'm sure that there actually are such things as freepers and {X}-bots and shills (oh my!) who have been known to come here and post on DU, but imho I suspect that the extent of the labeling as such far exceeds the extent of it actually happening in threads like this. And I doubt you fall into any of those categories at this point.

This was, I agree, a classy OP. Re-welcome to DU. And I for one am looking forward to being in the trenches alongside people like you as we move forward together to take back America from the corrupt Republican machine in the coming months. Thank you, bleuvixen. And thank you, voters of North Carolina and Indiana and progressive Democrats of all sizes and stripes -- oh, yeah, and Mr. and Mrs. Calabash and all the ships at sea... {g})




{edited for tpyos -- darn, I hate those pesky thinsg!}

[liberaltrucker]

170. I hope Senator Clinton is as gracious as you

I believe she will be. Bill? Who knows.

Let's all unite for the big fight in November.
Had the roles been reversed, I'd be saying the
same thing. I know all too well the feelings of
loss when the candidate you put your heart, soul
and money into can't win.

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Proudly rec'd!

[Politicub]

171. I stand with you

Obama had am impressive win in NC, and Hillary would have made a fantastic president. But now is the time to unite to take on McCain and the GOP machine.

I hope that the stupid Wright thing is over, too. Better that it come out now than 2 days before the general.

[goodgd_yall]

173. self-delete n/t

[goodgd_yall]

174. Time to move on

and change our avatars.

[redsoxrudy]

175. Thank You

Your post is spot on. I think the kind of serious self-reflection you have shown is what we all need now. Us Obama supporters have been called some nasty and childish things here and elsewhere. The same is also true of Hillary supporters. Trying to quantify which side was worse is an exercise in futility that only will delay much needed party unity. For my part I have tried to keep the debate civil but realize I too have failed at this at times. So to you and to all Hillary supporters I would like to offer my most sincere apology. I think more posts like this one are the answer to what ails the party.
p.s. I actually hope HRC stays in the race and her and Obama tag-team to kick the crap out of McCain.

[AikidoSoul]

176. Nice post. It seems very heartfelt and honest

and it's refreshing.

Healing time is needed.




added "t" to honest on edit

[Zambero]

180. We had 3 top-notch candidates in Clinton, Edwards, and Obama

And unfortunately only one will get the nomination. As soon as this occurs, and it should not be much longer, we MUST rally around our candidate. The GOP is going down in Congress. Estimates of their losing 30-40 add'l House seats and 10 Senate seats do not sound exaggerated. Even so, with McCain's veto pen and his intent to prolong or even expand on Bush's insane foreign policy, there is still plenty more damage that the GOP can inflict if they manage to retain the White House. The GOP believes that unwitting voters will hand the presidency to them come November, based on a few sound bytes and discord within the Democratic party. Well, they are absolutely correct, unless we do the right thing and join forces to elect our nominee. We may not get another chance at taking our country back, and the rest of the world is also watching.

[joeprogressive]

183. I agree and commend you on your post.. I think shortly after this is officially over

the bile will decrease. The one thing I disagree with you on is that the bile only resided with the "hard core obamites" There were just as many rude and vile HRC supporters. The good thing is most people want to move on and the rules will not permit people to stay if they don't support the dem nominee. Therefore there will be a purge of some but the vast majority will join together as one so we can beat McCain.

[bleuvixen]

184. Thank you and

I did expand on what I meant, but you are right, especially these days there is plenty of blame on both sides, and I don't need to add more :)