You want electability discussion? By all means, let's talk electability.

[TheWraith]

I saw someone earlier today pushing the nonsense that the superdelegates were still going to steal it for Clinton, ostensibly because Obama had "obvious electability issues."

You want to talk electability? Fine, let's do. Hillary Clinton loses to McCain in a blowout. Period. Why? For starters, her entire campaign is centered around issues where he blows her out of the water: hawkishness, "experience," and bullheadedness.

He's more hawkish, he's been in Washington far longer, and the Republican attack machine will shred her over and over again on the Bosnia lie, her "experience" as First Lady, and her I-supported-the-war-before-I-was-against it position.

Here's the second part of the why. After the scorched-earth campaign Clinton has run, she loses the Democratic base. The anti-war people don't show up to the polls if the decision is between bombing Iran and nuking Iran, and they can't even tell which is which. Black people don't show up to vote for someone who repeatedly threw them under the bus in order to pander to conservative white voters. And liberals don't show up for someone they perceive as Republican Lite.

And she can't make up for it with independents, who by and large either dislike or distrust her, or Republicans, who view her as the Devil and will fall all over themselves to vote for McCain.

That's the bottom line. Whether you like Hillary or not, the reality is that she's run a bad campaign that destroyed any chance she had of winning the presidency, even if she had won the primary.

[Diane R]

1. You forgot the part about all the under 35s opting out of the system forever after.

[reflection]

2. Good grok. n/t

[elocs]

3. Look on the bright side: Hillary gets blown out by McCain we're done with the Clintons forever. n/t

[Selatius]

4. If she overturns the delegates and wins through backroom deals, a lot of people will not vote again.

Because it sends the message that their vote essentially didn't count. And it will likely be the death knell of the Super Delegate system. Afterward, there would be a grassroots movement to overturn the SD system and replace it with a system that awards delegates based on popular vote or simply straight popular vote.

[Window]

8. That's for sure.

[NorthCarolina]

5. And like it or not, Operation Chaos HAS boosted Hillary's numbers

giving a false impression of her electability in the GE. Plus, her high negatives will serve as a convenient media scapegoat for another election where the exit polls are in direct conflict to the "official" vote tally.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. The best indication about electability is the movement of the supers to Obama since 2-5-08

Obama has gotten the supers at about a 10 to 1 ratio.

The supers are US congresspeople, US Senators, Governors, and elected party officials. The fact that these people who work in politics and who have a vested self interest in choosing a nominee who can win, and who have more information at their disposal than the average voter tells me that the supers believe Obama to be the most electable candidate in the GE.

Anybody who believes the supers are going to Hillary hasn't been paying attention. In fact some have switched from Clinton to Obama, none have switched the other direction.

Anybody who believes they are going to suddenly change direction would also believe bush is going to suddenly change direction and order himself arrested for war crimes. It just isn't going to happen.

[Nia Zuri]

7. k&R

[Window]

9. K/R.

:kick:

[NanceGreggs]

10. Oh, very well said!!! K/R

And all true.

The first time I heard Hill harping on the 'experience' thing, my first thought was: Doesn't she realize that if she winds up going head-to-head against McCain, her reliance on the 'experience' meme would be her most obvious weakness, rather than a strength?

The mis-steps of her entire campaign have been truly mind-boggling.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

11. yup.

[BzaDem]

12. Bullshit, and I would counter it point by point if I thought you would listen.

[BootinUp]

13. You win by nullifying someones strengths

not opposing them diametrically. Of course Obama does not oppose McCain diametrically I simply took an example to its extremes to make the point.