I have said it before: Put Hillary on the ticket

[LuckyTheDog]

As much as Obama supporters resent her right now, I think it's the right call.

Hillary DOES connect with some voters that Obama does not connect with. She could help him reach a lot of people who'd tune out an Obama/Somebody-Else-You've-Sort-of-Heard-Of ticket.

Yes, Hillary has done and said some bad things. But get over it.

Ronald Reagan didn't take on George HW Bush (aka "Mr. Voodoo Economics") because he loved him. JFK probably never trusted LBJ all that much. But this is not about who likes whom or who said what. It's about saving the country from going in the wrong direction. And THAT starts with winning the election -- and winning it big.

Obama/Clinton '08! ALL THE WAY!

[LakeSamish706]

1. Not a chance in hell with the campaign tactics that she has run in this election. n/t

[SteelPenguin]

8. Why not?

If a pitbull attacks you and tears the shit out of you before you force it into submission, why not take that weapon and turn it on your enemy?

[LakeSamish706]

16. I'm speaking for myself, Obama and his people will do what they feel is best....

If it were me having a Bill and Hillary Clinton as my albatrose... No way.... I would worry for my safety for one thing.

[Lerkfish]

19. because you forced it into submission...

I mean, is this really all that hard to understand? If she cannot defeat Obama, with all the crap she has flung at him, what good would she be against McCain?
all her supposed "positives" are trumped by mccain directly, he's a better warhawk republican than she could ever dream of being.

but I guess I do get it: this is the next stage of grief: bargaining.

[Rabrrrrrr]

24. But think of this slogan: "Why vote for just McCain? Vote Obama/Clinton and get Obama AND McCain!"

:rofl:

[Lerkfish]

29. ok, that made me chuckle.

[roguevalley]

78. if she's such a pit bull, she can do it as a surrogate. I doubt that she

will do much for the GE with him because she won't want to.

[democracy1st]

23. She hasn't whipped ass,what she has is a Ex President campaigning for her

when Obama hits a state,he's in 1 city. Bill and Hillary can do twice the work in the same amount of time. Also she wouldn't have won the popular vote in texas without the GOP. Here it is May 6th and they are stil talking about Operation Chaos in Tx

[roguevalley]

77. You could never trust her. she has dishonored herself trying to maim

him in this cycle and he owes her nothing. No trust. No way. In hell.

[Sancho]

53. I hate to say it, but the Clinton tactics are exactly what the repubs do!

Gore and Kerry were naive to me. They were unprepared for the attacks and counter attacks. We need to WIN! I don't care how. If Hillary and Obama are on the same ticket and HATE each other - I don't care! I don't want any more neocons in the White House!

[cbayer]

61. I would bet big bucks that they really like each other.

I think they have tremendous respect for each other as well.

Oh, and while I have your attention, Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. She is neither a republican nor a neocon.

[Sancho]

116. I suspect that you misinterpreted...I didn't mean that Hillary was a Neocon...

I meant that an Obama/Hillary ticket would be better than any republican in the White House...

[cbayer]

117. You are right.

I mis-read your statement and apologize.

[PoliticalAmazon]

68. ITA. SHe's repeatedly told us our votes don't matter. Why would we bother voting for her? n/t

[YDogg]

2. By why would Obama want Obama/Clinton/Clinton?

:shrug:

[VolcanoJen]

32. Exactly. And, what happens when Bill walks into the room?

Do they play "Hail to the Chief" or not? :-)

[LuckyTheDog]

64. If it will help him win, he should

It really IS all about winning.

[roguevalley]

81. he doesn't need her. he has done fine to this point and he will wipe

up the floor with McCain. No one wants a republican in control of anything for the next thirty years.

[Cassandra]

91. The 3 in a bed campaign.

Way too crowded in that oval office.

[tabatha]

3. Very bad idea.

She is a loose canon.

I am sure Obama has someone far better.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. Nope. See this video - it explains why Hillary should not be on Obama's ticket:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x128234

[kenny blankenship]

40. Whew. I thought you were going to post the Zapruder film

Don't want to see that again.

[crankychatter]

41. that's NOT funny

*snork*

[anigbrowl]

5. Nope. Obama would weaken himself straight away if his VP looked like a forced decision

It would give way too much attack fodder to the GOP.

[Leftist Agitator]

6. I'm sure that Obama can do much better without her functioning as an anchor.

Wes Clark would make a much better choice.

ANY Democrat would make a much better VP pick.

Hillary is as toxic as botulism to a Dem ticket.

[roguevalley]

83. wes clark would make me very happy. he's such a good man.

[Rabrrrrrr]

7. Yuck.

[joeybee12]

You're absolutely right...and come June 3rd, when there' still no closure...

...you can bet people in the party will be telling Obama he needs to do this...fuck his ego and his perceived slights. He ain't winning without her.

[Hepburn]

21. He cannot win WITH her....

...she has the highest negatives of anyone around. Why would he want to burden himself with this kind of problem?

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[roguevalley]

84. she is so damaged, I would not take her. Imagine 24/7 of

reverend wright, Tuzla and bill clinton's dick. ARGH!

[redqueen]

9. How many times does he have to say that his supporters are FED UP with old-time politics crap

before people will believe it?

If he put her on the ticket, he'd be tacitly condoning the way she's run her campaign. He would lose supporters in droves.

Dream on.

[LuckyTheDog]

69. It's not HIS supporters I am worried about

I think we need a coalition of HIS supporters and HER supporters.

[DearAbby]

10. Why would Obama tie an anchor around his neck?

Why would Clinton accept? She believes Obama isn't suitable for President, doesn't pass "the test". She has already endorsed McCain over Obama...Flip flopping Clinton?

[Lerkfish]

12. an albatross

[shadowknows69]

17. An albatross was only bad luck once killed

Not my rule, "Rime of the ancient mariner"

[Lerkfish]

20. does a suicide count?

[Lerkfish]

11. no way in hell: her name would be toxic to the ticket.

she's burned all her democratic bridges, and the republicans hate her with the intensity of a thousand burning suns.
she's a woman without a party after this is all over.

[reflection]

13. Sorry, she hasn't crossed the threshold yet. n/t

[AndyA]

14. Hillary and Barack both have negatives.

He is black. What a shocker, but some will not vote for him for that reason alone.

She is female. Another shocker, but some will not vote for her for that reason alone.

Yes, it's time to break the white male strangle hold on the Presidency, I'm just not sure right now is the time to do it. After 8 years of Bush abuse, our country needs real leadership, real change, and an abrupt departure from the way business has been done in Washington.

And to have two candidates with so many obvious negatives (not just race or gender) running seems like a really stupid idea to me.

Thanks to all the "let's make history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no matter what we lose in the process) folks." When McCain moves into the White House, we'll know who's responsible. :(

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[shraby]

18. How many times do I have to repeat this?

Hillary LIES! Bald faced in your face lies...and doesn't even apologize for it..just says get over it.

[JackORoses]

22. Fuck her! She gets nothing.

[DMorgan]

25. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton = Liabilities to themselves, and to the following people

Al Gore, 2000
John Kerry, 2004
Barack Obama, 2008

NO WAY these people have any place in American Presidential politics......what part of EIGHT YEARS MAXIMUM for holding office as President do you NOT understand, and what part of "legal gymnastics" of substituting a wife for Bill Clinton, do you NOT get?

This is purely a Clinton ego trip, a trip into nostalgia land of the nineties! Reality, who needs "reality" when we have a fantasy gas tax break? Pure Clinton smoke and mirrors.

[Stop Cornyn]

26. The 1st rule in choosing a VP -- don't pick a candidate who will cost you votes. That nixes Hillary.

[DMorgan]

34. Exactly TRUE! eom

[bunnies]

27. Fuck that. I'm done with her.

She has no place on an Obama ticket after insulting his supporters the way her campaign has.

[nebula]

28. Hillary would sink his campaign faster than the Titanic

just as she has sunk hers.

[dbredes]

30. What the heck is wrong with Hillary's campaign....

I just can't believe that Hillary doesn't cut her losses and begin fighting on the same side as Obama to secure her place on the BOTTOM of the ticket...

This IS her only remaining strategy...


How foolish she is...for continuing this no-end-game war....

[zulchzulu]

31. NO. WAY.

It's time to show the Clintons the door. They are NOT Democrats. Begone with them.

Having a Clinton on the ticket is like pouring shit from the toilet on to a plate and telling everyone to eat. They are political poison.

[roguevalley]

86. it would be interesting to know how new york will react to her next

election.

[sellitman]

33. McCain might.

She has already endorsed him so it makes more sense.

She screwed the pooch already. No way Obama runs with her on the ticket. Could you imagine the commercials McCain could run with Hillary expounding on his virtues over Obma?

Get real. It will never happen.

[LVjinx]

63. Hah.. I might even vote that ticket.

An actual bipartisan match-up... That would be a breath of fresh air.

[sellitman]

76. Sure. 4 more years of bush.

You are very smart!

[AlinPA]

35. re:"Yes, Hillary has done and said some bad things. But get over it. ". Just like that?

What about when the R's replay all her ads where she bashes Obama and claims that McCain and her are better candidates?

[roguevalley]

89. she said it would be cool for us to occupy Iraq 50 years so she has

sunk the argument and ads we have been playing showing McCain's hundred year remark. that alone should get her the boot.

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. All the ammunition the republicans have been holding back to use

against Hillary the candidate would be turned on Obama/Hillary. She'd drag him down with her and hand the election to the republicans.

[lapfog_1]

37. I'm certain that there are others that have more experience

and much less baggage that would connect with the voters that Hillary connects with.

Not to mention that the tension between them would be a huge distraction for the Obama administration.

[DMorgan]

44. Richardson, Clarke, a hundred other people with more experience than

the First Lady of Arkansas, and of the USA for so many years.


Why is this thread even here? Are Hillary supporters actually into the "bargaining" stage?

[here_is_to_hope]

38. You need to sober up...n/t

[roguevalley]

90. sober up? its an eight % difference in Indiana right now.

[williesgirl]

39. NO FUCKING WAY. She's Bush in a pantsuit. Praising McSame alone boots her off.

[asthmaticeog]

42. The McCain campaign is already readying ads with clips of Hillary saying nasty shit about Obama.

That, you can count on. Imagine those ads running with her ON THE TICKET. It will never happen. She made her bed.

[musiclawyer]

43. Look where LBJ got JFK

No thanks. No HRC for BHO. He needs to run someone authentically to his left, to be safe.

[Zodiak]

54. I agree....those two examples do not make a very good case, do they?

"Some say" Reagan's assassination attempt was an attempt to wrest control by poppy *.

"Some say" LBJ was in on the assassination of JFK.

I don't want Barack Obama's story to end with "some say", does anyone else?

[nomorewhopper]

45. fuck hillary

i hate her and will not cast a vote for her

[ima_sinnic]

47. what you said ... she is toxic, and a backstabber

just what Obama does NOT need, someone plotting against him 24/7

[meow mix]

46. Id take it at this point. series. lets just win this

:hangover:

[last1standing]

48. I don't think he can trust her at this point.

He'd always have to worry about her sabotaging the campaign. I would, however, suggest a Clinton loyalist like Wes Clark. That way he will get a significant Clinton supporter boost without the worry of a stiletto in the belly.

[lander]

49. You'll probably say it again, too.

Won't make it right then, either.

[yourguide]

50. Sure I'll put her on the ticket to the moon...

no where near the white house.

[Lucky 13]

51. No no no no no no. A thousand times NO.

Sorry pal. She's going home from this dance alone. After her display this primary season, she'll be lucky if she gets re-elected to this senate. She gets nothing. Persona non grata.

[grantcart]

52. its not resentment I don't trust her

the vp has to be willing to subjugate themselves to the head of the ticket. Just can't depend that she would do that

[cbayer]

56. Did you watch the PBS show last night on GHWB?

I just wondered because it showed so clearly how that consensus was reached. It was a fascinating show, I thought. Second half on tonight.

[Laurab]

57. HELL NO! nt

[1776Forever]

58. Never in a million years would I believe that is a good idea! HRC would make a better McCain VP!

buzzflash graphic

[Diane R]

59. If Obama put Hillary on the ticket, he'd have to constantly be watching his back.

[Crabby Appleton]

McCain/Clinton

would be my guess

[gmudem]

60. I've said it before

Don't let her anywhere near the ticket.

[kenny blankenship]

62. You must love the sound of No

[Usrename]

65. Hillary could not govern if she had to take over during his term.

That's just the way it is. He needs to find someone that is viewed as a whole lot more trustworthy than she is.

[cascadiance]

66. If she "forces" Obama's chioce to be her, that will be a DRAG on the ticket!

... and as you note, JFK having LBJ on the ticket was not something that was a good matchup. And I would argue that perhaps as some of those "conspiracy theorists" out there postulate, LBJ or those supporting him might have had something to do with JFK's assassination.

In some ways, I think if you have an Obama/Hillary ticket, the assassination threat to Obama would even be WORSE than it was for JFK. You'd have the following variables that would provide incentive for this happening:

1) All of the white racists out there would probably much rather have Hillary in charge than Obama.
2) All of those corporatist DLC types out there would probably much rather have Hillary in charge than Obama.
3) #1 gives a conspiracy by those in #2 to blame an assassination on if they carry out this conspiracy (which they likely did back in the 60's against JFK, Bobbie Kennedy, and MLK).
4) The corporatists might also like that if it were done early enough in either the campaign or after the election, it would give Bush room to declare martial law and cancel the elections as well and carry out Paul Craig Roberts' fears.

You in effect have the opposite what you have now with Bush/Cheney (disincentive to off Bush when most people know that Cheney would probably be infinitely worse in chage).

In short, the answer IS F NO! We don't need Hillary on the ticket and should NOT have her on the ticket!

[PoliticalAmazon]

67. Will you guys STFU with begging for Hillary? Jesus H. Christ....

...there must be 20 posts a day, at least, begging to put that THING on an Obama ticket.

You're not persuading people, and making those who have already decided not to vote for Hillary under any circumstances to dig in their heals.

[BigAnth]

70. Give Hillary a one-way ticket to Palookaville!!!!!

That's exactly what she deserves.

[KaptBunnyPants]

71. Hell no.

You don't put a viper where she can strike you. Hillary is not trustable.

[BlooInBloo]

72. It was stupid then, and it's stupid now. Bigots and republicans won't vote for him no matter what...

.... The rest will. So the only question is: How much of Clinton's support is republicans and bigots?

If the answer is "not much", then there's nothing to worry about.

If the answer is "a lot", then Clinton has more issues than Obama.

[bain_sidhe]

73. Wow. After reading the subject lines in this thread

(not the posts, my blood pressure couldn't stand it)

all I can say is, it's a good thing that Obama won't need Clinton supporters in the general!

Oh, wait...

(Note, I'm not talking about him offering Clinton the VP spot. I don't think he should, and if he does, I don't think she should take it. But. Still. Reading these subject lines makes ME mad, and I'm somebody who actually leans toward Obama.)

[roguevalley]

94. she earned them. by the way, I love your online name. :)

[tiptoe]

74. Hillary as VP would be *Co directline into the White House. Obama & America don't need/want that. nt

[Fly by night]

75. I would prefer Richardson, Edwards, Kucinich, Biden or Zippy the Pinhead before Hillary.

As would most Americans, IMNSHO.

[jonestonesusa]

79. Let me respond by rephrasing what so many HC supporters

have said about Obama.

Can she get over her ego enough to be second on the ticket?

[DMorgan]

80. PULEEZE

DON'T EVER say it again, unless you are a McCain supporter!

[WA98296]

82. No, as Pelosi put it, that is NOT a good idea.

[madrchsod]

85. no

[nsd]

87. No. Obama's central theme is: "Turn the page."

He offers voters a fresh start, a break with the past, a new politics. Having Clinton on the ticket would undermine all that. At this point she pretty much personifies "old politics."

[OzarkDem]

101. Agree, let him lose it on his own

No point in taking other Dems down with him. Maybe he can find someone obscure or ready to retire.

[Selatius]

103. Wow, you willing to bet your very soul McCain is going to clean Obama's clock?

[liberaldem4ever]

88. I'd like to see him pick someone who has foreign policy experience

Like Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Sam Nunn or maybe Gov. Bill Richardson. I like Wes Clarke, but I don't think he would do it since he supports HRC.

[bleuvixen]

92. I think she did too much damage, to try this :(

Too bad, would have been a nice ticket too.

[New Dawn]

93. Clinton on the ticket = McCain in the White House

[Califooyah Operative]

97. exactly. nt

[palindrome]

95. Sad but true.

It's all the noise in TN: Clinton on the ticket wins, but without Clinton we go McCain. I hate McCain.

[Califooyah Operative]

96. No. It would hurt our ticket.

Obama is change, she is not. He didn't take pac or federal lobbyist money, she did. He voted against the Iraq war she voted for it. It goes on and on.

She has high negatives and would bring that to our ticket. She would also unite the currently divided and demoralized GOP base and bring out every one of them to not only vote against us, but to vote against her.

And she hasn't just said 'bad things'. She completely crossed the line, repeatedly. She's tried to and is hurting our party, party unity, and our chances in the fall.

[hokies4ever]

98. Not in a million years - 2 senators on the same ticket?

Everybody knows that McCain would just choose Romney or Huckabee and laugh at the lack of executive experience on the Democratic Party ticket. Also, people seem to forget that the Vice President's main job is to help the President govern. Do you think that Obama will decide that Hillary is the best person to help him govern? Why force yourself to have Slick Willie following you around all of the time? Finally, I'm not even sure that Hillary will accept a V.P. now.

[Cha]

99. Bye. NO.

hilary burnt that bridge..she's a stupid liar. Please stop talking shit like this. PUKESVILLE USA.

[LuckyTheDog]

104. Party unity is bad?

I think not.

[Cha]

109. hilary's not reality based. End of story.

Unity? Why do unity with a lying, creepy anchor. YOu better get reality based.

[OzarkDem]

100. It wouldn't work

They're polar opposites and he spent too much time trashing her and calling her a racist for it to appear genuine to voters.

[terrell9584]

102. Probably not

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5860905

Hillary has to be given something powerful, you do have to buy her off. But, a VP nod is probably a bad thing. Obama needs a white Southern male, preferably one with war experience

[scheming daemons]

105. "Why attach yourself to an anchor, when so many kites are available?" --Nance Greggs

[stratomagi]

106. And I have said it before.

Anyone asking for a "dream ticket" has a lacking understanding of politics. Kind of like how libertarians have a lacking understanding of government.

[billyoc]

107. The Amtrak ticket.

To Chappaqua.

[progdog]

108. No

[Lucky 13]

110. Every god damned day I respond to a post like this. And every day I say:

no no no no no and HELL FUCKING NO.

She gets nothing. She's "earned" nothing. He doesn't need her. In fact she would more of a detriment than a boost. She needs to slink away quietly now and get some mental and emotional counseling. I'm quite convinced she is not well.

[truebrit71]

111. I've said it before: Hell no!

Not in a million years...

[seabeyond]

112. no. oh, i have said that before too.... lol. nah, not hillary. i think she would sabotage him

i couldn't count on her for support or loyalty. BUT, we could put clark on and that would be a supporter of hers.

[Texas Hill Country]

113. i actually agree 100%

[lmbradford]

114. Please no....

I used to be a Clinton supporter but now I don't want her anywhere near the white house again. Obama is going to change things and he needs someone who wants that change on the ticket. She wants the status quo..........let her go back to NY and fight for her seat there.

[L0oniX]

115. Na ...but make her secretary of defense. She is experienced with sniper fire.

[InvisibleTouch]

118. I'm all for that.

It may not be the popular thing to say around here, but I think it's the right way to go. We have two great candidates, who have split the vote between them. Wouldn't it be smart to put them together?