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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:12 PM Original message |
Somebody tell me: why are "white rural" voters in PA different from those in Iowa? |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. caucus vs primary. |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Racist vs. Non-racist (according to Rendell) |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Obama won the white vote in Wisconsin, and that was a primary |
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featherman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Wisconsin vote rarely gets mentioned in this MSM meme |
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Ashy Larry (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Racial tension going back decades |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Iowans had more time to get to know him, for one |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. if anything, it's exactly the opposite. folks in PA had 5 more months to take a look at the candidat |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. They're LITERALLY feudin-style hillbillies in PA. I think IA isn't quite as bad... |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. Race is a bigger issue in PA. IA is almost all white and so race is less of an issue, historically |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. They're bitterer |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
10. Clinton had not blackened him at that point, she was awaiting the crown. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. Because they can't see through Rove politics? n/t |
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terrell9584 (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. Short Answer |
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DU9598 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Not exactly |
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murielm99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I'm glad an Iowan took time to defend the state. |
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DMorgan (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. I have relatives in Iowa, and they are nice! |
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livetohike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
14. PA has one of the largest senior citizen populations in the US |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. With media playing expectations game, good Obama improvement statsover OHIO |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
16. Many reasons, but just like New Yorkers, Miamians, and San Franciscoans all have their flavors... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
56. Yup. Before Iowa we didn't have Bill talking about Obama as another Jesse Jackson and all that shit |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. That's one factor, indicating better organization in the Obama camp |
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BklynChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. i think age is part of it too |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Age is an important factor. I know a lot of old people in PA in small towns |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
19. There was an article here recently that helped explain it. |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Aha. never thought of it that way. nt |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. Iowa is a caucus state and there is no regulations there |
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DU9598 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. BS |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. it'sabsolutely a factor. O has consistently done better in caucus states, because caucuses are atten |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. The media's constant drone about Jeremiah Wright had an impact on racists. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. Several good reasons given in this thread |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. Clintons knew exactly what they were doing when they pushed the race divide |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. well, you're the one pushing it here and now, aren't you? nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Nope - It was Clintons, plain and simple, whether you have the integrity to admit it or not. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Oh yes, very clever on their part, it worked so well |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. IMO, Catholics who listen to O'Reilly & Hannity n/t |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. Simple. There are more racists in PA, especially in rural areas. I know, I live here and |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
28. They are smarter in PA, more letters to remember when you spell out the state... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
32. yawn. all white people who don't vote for Obama are racists...yeah, who's playing the race card now |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Not all. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. not all, just most? ha ha. give it up. nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I hereby officially give up you putting words in my mouth. With most abject apologies. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. obviously the implication is that it is a significant amount, otherwise it wouldn't matter. no? nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I stand pat with "not all." I wholeheartedly agree that not every anti-Obama person is racist. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
34. I think that Iowa is less insulated than rural PA |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. good point. nt |
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libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. Less racism in Iowa. |
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leaningprog (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
39. They are not bent out of shape by their lives |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
42. Loss of and competition for jobs. |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Yep. The steel industry died 40 years ago, but those folks in PA and OH haven't got the sense to |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
43. i live in SD (folks from Iowa) and there are a lot of differences between midwestern white culture a |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
47. Iowa has a long progressive history. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
48. "White rural" voters |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
49. Iowans not as prejudiced against black candidates. |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
50. Like, 5 people voted in Iowa. |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
51. Want to unite all Democrats to stand behind your Candidate in the GE? |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. Iowans tend to be smarter because they actually pay attention to politics. nm |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. because the campaign was much cleaner during the early phase. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
55. Media |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
57. Kentucky will bring this out even harder. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
60. Ron Paul picked up 15% here. In APRIL. |
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