Kerry on MSNBC going for the gold, saying that Obama will not have his republican problems

[Neshanic]

getting live feed via mental telepathy from Obama HQ. No swiftboating of Obama like he got!

He does not help Obama. He says that Obama still has a huge back story that the American people do not know.

That's what I am afraid of.

[MadBadger]

1. Fantastic surrogate for Obama

[blm]

6. He's been powerful. The spinners can't admit it. He's been great convincing superdelegates, too.

Both Kerry and Daschle have quietly worked their butts off behind the scene for over a year now.

[MadBadger]

9. If Kerry had a good reputation and wasnt from MA, hed be the best VP candidate for Obama.

[blm]

11. RNC had to work 24/7 to steal that election for Bush at Bush's most powerful.

When the public actually SEES and hears Kerry they DO realize how solid he is.

The media had to spin their asses off to pretend he wasn't and TeamClinton helped every step of the way, just as they did to smear Gore after his run.

That said - Kerry wants to do REAL investigations in the senate and work WITH a cooperative Dem administration this time - not like the cover up Dems who protected BushInc throughout the 90s.

[dchill]

21. "the cover up Dems who protected BushInc throughout the 90s."

Go ahead and say it - the Bill Clinton buried Kerry's BCCI investigation for the Bushes. It's all about elitism, money, and POWER.

[Cant trust em]

13. Imagine the two "elitists" on the same ticket.

MSM/GOP jackasses would be having a field day with this one.

[MadBadger]

14. I know. Its completely unfair, but thats the world we live in

Obama/Webb!

[Cant trust em]

15. That's the ticket I can get behind.

Obama's latte will go great with Webb's barbecue, metaphorically speaking.

[MadBadger]

20. Those Heartland voters will love the story about him bringing a gun to the Capitol.

[Hoof Hearted]

23. .

DOH!

[Leopolds Ghost]

26. Kerry does not have a good reputation? Excuse me? You guys are such patsies for swiftboating

Of course Obama will be swiftboated, he already has, and if he loses you'll buy into it after the fact, casting about for a reason he lost, just like y'all did with Kerry.

[MadBadger]

29. Nationally he has a poor reputation. Add the entire 2004 campaign to his joke...

and his reputation isnt stellar among the general public.

[blm]

35. He won 2004 - RNC had to steal that election for Bush. TeamClinton planted the lies about 2004

just as they did about Gore's campaign in 2000.

You shouldn't promote LIES and revisionism when you post about Kerry. That revisionism was a DELIBERATE TACTIC from Clinton loyalists - the same ones who've been smearing Obama the last 6 months.

They got away with it in Kerry's case because they were doing it behind the scenes back then.

[MadBadger]

39. Here is a poll that measured voter's opinions on politicians in 2006.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/12140

Asked to rate on a scale of 1-100 and could put unknown to. At the top was Rudy with a 63.5, then Obama with 58.5, though he was 55% unknown. Hillary had 49.9. George W. Bush had 42.9, and John Kerry had 45.2.

[blm]

41. That was after two years of only hearing lies and revisionism. McAuliffe's DNC planned to

put all blame onto Kerry to keep a clear path for Hillary.

You don't have to POST this crap to me - I know it all very well and I know EXACTLY how it came to be.

The American public after WATCHING Kerry unflitered in the debates VOTED FOR HIM as a solid choice. The revisionism was set in play to explain away the election fraud - and TeamClinton helped push that revisionism after the election every step of the way.

Keep it up - you do Obama and the man who's been helping him the most a complete disservice.

[MadBadger]

43. You know, havent we learned that the Majority of American can be Dumbassees?

I dont know how this does a disservice to the man himself.

[blm]

45. Because the poll was taken after TWO SOLID FUCKING YEARS of BASHING from

Republicans AND the Clinton loyalists.

They did the exact same thing to Gore. They would do the exact same thing to Obama and you just don't seem to get that if Obama didn't have the access to media to defend himself for a full two years while he was being smeared and lied about, his numbers wouldn't poll so hot, either.

Kerry does GREAT when he is presented in any debate - and you can be certain of this - Hillary did NOT want to face Kerry on a debate stage for months. He would have had her arguments sliced and diced by debate 6.

[MadBadger]

38. Here is a poll that measures the feelings of the public of politicians in 2006

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/12140

Asked to rate on a scale of 1-100 and could put unknown to. At the top was Rudy with a 63.5, then Obama with 58.5, though he was 55% unknown. Hillary had 49.9. George W. Bush had 42.9, and John Kerry had 45.2.

[blm]

42. Bullshit after two years of revisionist bullshit in the press. Period.

.

[karynnj]

53. This is not true

He nearly won in 2004 - easily beating the other candidates.

You may want to what a few Senate hearings - he is very respected by his peers in hearings wher he is always well prepared and usually the most informed, smartest guy in the room. (I think you liked Biden - listen to what he has to say - http://www.kerryvision.net/2007/09/biden_gives_props_to_senator_k.html He also commended Kerry with similar poraise when Kerry talked him into having a hearing on teh National security impact of global warming.)

But then - I guess he's no Huckabee :) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3855566&mesg_id=3855566

As to your other favorite - side by side, the Democrats EASILY chose Kerry over Edwards - because of Kerry's enormous competence on virtually every major issue.

[karynnj]

58. He actually is a very respected person on talk shows

and people realize that he was very accurate on must things in 2004.

Quit bying the right wing stereotypes

[stillcool]

61. And Hillary Helped!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[PoliticalAmazon]

54. Kerry has been more effective for Obama's campaign than he was for his own 2004 campaign. n/t

[karynnj]

57. Actually - you need to think how strong and smooth his primary win was

The fact is that the media was complicit in the Swiftboating in 2004. Consider what was actually done.

When the issue first came up in April 2004, the Senator put over 100 pages of Naval records on his website. There were fitness reports, which spanned the entire interval, and they were all glowingly positive - and many were written by future SBVT. This made them go away then.

In August when they returned, the media already had:
- those Navy records

- the knowledge that every man on his boat when he got any medal was 100% behind him.

- Nixon tapes, never intended for us to hear, showed they investigated him found he was a war hero and clean

- Brinkley, was an academic historian, who was well thought of enough to be the editor of Reagan's diaries. Kerry had no editorial control and many future SBVT were interviewed around 2 years before the election and only one had any problems with him then - and that guy simply didn't like him and likely resented that the guys who reported to both of them loved Kerry.

in addition, the Kerry campaign gave the media a 36 page report disputing specific claims and they showed that the SBVT were funded by Bush supporters out of Texas.

In any previous election, providing a fraction of this proof against allegations with no proof behind them would have blown them out of the water and it would have backfired. The Clinton war machine never provided anything like this - on most things even in the end allegations were in fact not completely discredited but sometimes admitted.

Kerry also did speak against the charges in front of the firefighters - but the media which gave thousands of hours of free coverage to the liars didn't give it much coverage. (click on the picture of the Senator to see what he said: http://www.kerryvision.net/2007/08/jk_the_fire_fighters.html

If you still doubt the media was biased on this ask yourself why the media treated the purple heart bandaids as if they were campaign novelty hats. Where was the outrage that the medal all military people who are wounded get was mocked. This showed how real the respect for the troops really was in the media. It did send a signal that the media thought this was fair.

[blm]

71. Your serious and informative post will be met with silence by those I consider to be

closed government Democrats who don't care enough about this country to KNOW the facts.

Period.

[karynnj]

74. Thanks - I like putting the list of what records and other information the

Kerry people put out because it shows the media had more than enough to have sternly rejected the SBVT on say August 5, 2004. Also, it was not JUST the media - I've seen apologists of both Edwards and the Clintons (as to why the weak defense from McAuliffe head of the DNC) say that only Kerry could have fought this because only he knew the truth. The fact was there was this whole PUBLIC record, this is not the entire Democratic party defending a guy who lied about sex in the White House, or earlier draft dodging, or other bimbos.

This morning there was an interesting comment on MSNBC - noting that the 2 candidates who refused to run attacking the others both won. The end result of 2004 - which I had thought I had seen when all the vet candidates won in 2006 - was it ultimately turned the country's stomach on this despicable attack politics.

[blm]

65. Because SPOKESPEOPLE MATTER. And best known Dems were siding more with Bush than

Kerry - especially the last Dem president and VP candidate who did so VERY PUBLICLY.

[thewiseguy]

2. Any links?

[Kittycat]

3. Hey... Maybe that backstory

is what drove him to being a community organizer... Ever thought of that?

[DJ13]

4. That's what I am afraid of.

If there was anything left to use against him Clinton would have used it.

[dogday]

5. Obama is already facing Republican spun Media with Wright, and this

makes me wonder what they are holding for November... Remember who owns the media, what their end game is. A best defense is a good offense and Obama should attack, attack, attack, and deny anything they throw at hime... Stand up for himself and others will stand up with him....

[goclark]

19. Clinton has a lot of new baggage too

Obama can thank his own running mate for treating him far worse than any Republican.

That is one of the horror stories of this election.

[dogday]

24. I don't believe that, I think the media can and will do everything they

can to attack our Democratic Nominee...

[goclark]

40. Of course they will, ROVE and Corporate Own the Media

and they don't want anyone else to ever get a piece of the pie.

[Jennicut]

7. Kerry says Obama will fight back. What exactly is wrong with what he said?

Really, all people have "backstories". Look up some info on John McCain sometime. He was basically an amlmost droput who drank heavily in the military academy. Hillary and Bill Clinton are not exactly "clean". Do I need to mention Whitewater? What are they gonna find on Barack? Drinking? Cheating?

[rateyes]

8. No fear!

[Neshanic]

10. Update. Kerry teaching Obama to windsurf.

[karynnj]

16. Well that's more likely than him teaching Bill or Hillary Clinton

I doubt either are fit enough to try it. But, I think Obama is to busy -in 2004, Kerry who already knew how to do this athletic windsurfed for all of about an hour or two as a photo op during the Republican convention.

It may have been why there was no whisper campaign on his health in teh general election - as one of the Democrats did in Iowa push polling that his cancer had returned.

Your problem is that you resent that HRC couldn't twist his arm enough to keep him neutral. Before anyone endorsed - the big three were said to be Gore, Kerry and Kennedy. Gore has been neutral - and Kerry and Kennedy have supported Obama.

[blm]

25. Kerry was on the cover of Windsurfer magazine in 1997 - very cool. But Dem pundits were so weak

they are the ones who could not act appropriately as spokesmen for the party and its nominee.

They were all schooled for years in defending Clintons they knew little about any other Democrat.

[ProSense]

30. That would be easier to do than teaching the Clintons how to tell the truth. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

31. Another "loyal base Dem" who hates the 2004 nominee and hates the presumptive 2008 nominee

Because they are "elite liberals" (vomiting the propaganda all over our nice clean bulletin boards).

[shraby]

12. Maybe the huge back story is a positive one. If it wasn't

I would think Kerry wouldn't even bring it up.

[rodeodance]

17. this from the guy who would not fight back. oky dody. I believe. yup

[Neshanic]

18. Thank you.

[blm]

28. When did that happen? You mean when corpmedia REFUSED to broadcast his counterattacks?

You mean you sided with the corporate media's lie about that even though you have since learned the truth?

You do know the facts are posted in the DU Research Forum here and that there is plenty of proof that corpmedia deliberately muted the counters, don't you?

Yes - you do, because somewhere there is still the fair rodeodance inside you that DOESN'T depend on corpmedia lies and smears.

[Neshanic]

36. You mean his refusal of running the infamous McCain/Bush ad?

That kind of playing nice? Look what that got him.

That ad was a powerhouse, but nooooooooo. My pal McCain.

[karynnj]

60. He fought back with the truth - something foreign to the Clintons

The fact is that the media was complicit in the Swiftboating in 2004. Consider what was actually done.

When the issue first came up in April 2004, the Senator put over 100 pages of Naval records on his website. There were fitness reports, which spanned the entire interval, and they were all glowingly positive - and many were written by future SBVT. This made them go away then.

In August when they returned, the media already had:
- those Navy records

- the knowledge that every man on his boat when he got any medal was 100% behind him.

- Nixon tapes, never intended for us to hear, showed they investigated him found he was a war hero and clean

- Brinkley, was an academic historian, who was well thought of enough to be the editor of Reagan's diaries. Kerry had no editorial control and many future SBVT were interviewed around 2 years before the election and only one had any problems with him then - and that guy simply didn't like him and likely resented that the guys who reported to both of them loved Kerry.

in addition, the Kerry campaign gave the media a 36 page report disputing specific claims and they showed that the SBVT were funded by Bush supporters out of Texas.

In any previous election, providing a fraction of this proof against allegations with no proof behind them would have blown them out of the water and it would have backfired. The Clinton war machine never provided anything like this - on most things even in the end allegations were in fact not completely discredited but sometimes admitted.

Kerry also did speak against the charges in front of the firefighters - but the media which gave thousands of hours of free coverage to the liars didn't give it much coverage. (click on the picture of the Senator to see what he said: http://www.kerryvision.net/2007/08/jk_the_fire_fighters...

If you still doubt the media was biased on this ask yourself why the media treated the purple heart bandaids as if they were campaign novelty hats. Where was the outrage that the medal all military people who are wounded get was mocked. This showed how real the respect for the troops really was in the media. It did send a signal that the media thought this was fair.

[stillcool]

62. Count votes that couldn't be counted?

It's a good thing that people in 13 states have pressured their state governments to use paper ballots and have a standard automatic recount after every election. Too bad about the other 37. Really too bad about those 22 that use DRE's with no paper at all. I can't wait for the general when if the vote is close and the candidate of choice doesn't win, the same people will be screaming to have someone, anyone count their votes. Frigging hysterical!:rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

22. Did Kerry get hit in the noggin' by a boat when he went windsurfing or something?

One too many soccer ball photo-ops to the head?






Maybe he doesn't own a television. Or a computer. Maybe he's lost his ability to read a newspaper.

[ProSense]

27. Don't think so. He's never imagined being under sniper fire during a meeting with an eight-year-old

n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

32. Maybe he got hit by shrapnel while boating in Vietnam, and you unpatriotic asses attacked him for it

Oops, I mean you said "some people" will attack him for it.

[Unbowed]

63. What an idiotic statement. n/t

[Vinca]

33. Obama has been Swiftboated already by the Clinton organization.

I've never seen anything like this before and I've been through many, many elections. I'm currently reading a book about Republican campaign tactics and I could be reading a book on the Clinton campaign.

[Carrieyazel]

34. Obama has a whole other set of problems. Not just the elite, out-of-touch charge.

Unqualified to even run a corner store, much less the country. No experience to speak of to be President. His weaknessess among many demos of voters are definitely troubling; total lack of substance and much more.

[ProSense]

37. Hillary has a bigger problem: she's losing to Obama. n/t

[livetohike]

44. Well better than the only experience Ms. Clinton has is being

the First Lady - entertaining at teas and such. Or is it all the jobs her husband helped her get? Which one makes her qualified to even run the nearest 7-11?

[Straight Shooter]

46. Kerry, the ABB candidate. (anybody but bush)

Even The Economist gave him their endorsement "with a heavy heart."

[blm]

47. Sure because IDIOTS have no clue how important open government is to this country

and have no clue that they disparage the Democrat who did more than any other lawmaker in modern history to expose government corruption and advocate for open government.

Foolish people have no clue that the only reason we Americans even heard about the August6 PDB is due to Kerry's efforts to force Bush1's WH, taking them to court to turn over documents.

Foolish people with foolish opinions based on what they don't know and sometimes even callously dismiss about their own nation's historic record.

[Straight Shooter]

48. I am aware of Kerry's PAST.

As I posted on DU four years ago, he left all his courage behind in Vietnam.

Save your namecalling for the mirror.

[Inuca]

50. Unfortunately, you seem to have no idea

about his PRESENT. OTOH uninformed partisan snark is such a rewarding game to play. so go ahead, have fun while you can.

[Straight Shooter]

51. BS.

It isn't fun, by the way. And I do know about his PRESENT. What a fighter he was, after the election, demanding a recount. Oh, wait. No. That was Jesse Jackson, and Cliff Arnebeck, and various others.

[blm]

67. After McAuliffe and Carville made CERTAIN there was no legal case to make.

.

[Straight Shooter]

72. He folded by the next morning.

No way he could have assessed all the facts by then. He didn't want to fight. Saved his powder for 2008, then realized only his diehard supporters wanted him to run again.

Blame it on Carville, blame it on McAuliffe, blame it on anybody but Kerry. He just didn't want to be Gore-ified. Al Gore stood up and fought for his election despite the derision from the right wing. That's why Gore still commands the respect he gets. That's why we wanted Gore. For that reason, and for so many others.

Kerry is the quintessential ossified politician.

[blm]

73. Bullshit - Gore had the MATH to continue - Kerry didn't and Carville made sure of it.

YOU are stuck defending BushInc's protectors. You would smear Kerry just to protect any Clinton loyalist. You don;'t give two shits about the actual historic record of this nation and don't care about the Clintons' role in burying the truth just to protect the Bushes and their cronies.


You're so narrow-minded in your hatred of open government advocates you'd smear anyone with an honest record of opposing BushInc just to hang onto your faith in the closed government Democrats who have fucked this nation over for decades - long before 2004.

[karynnj]

59. I guess you missed most of his resume

or you
- fought Nixon
- fought the MAFIA
- Fought international crime
- fought Bush, Reagan and those backing teh Contras
- BCCI


Yeah what a wimp - straight shooter posts really brave posts

[blm]

66. SS's concept of courage is bravely covering up for BushInc while INVESTIGATING BushInc is

to be mocked.

[blm]

64. In YOUR mind, bravery is rolling over for GHWBush to protect his agenda like Clintons did

and you give no credit to anyone who risked his life and his career to uncover the government corruption.


YOUR VIEW:
It took NO COURAGE to uncover and investigate IranContra, BCCI and CIA Drugrunning - but it DID take courage to cover it up for BushInc?

So - Kerry is a coward because he risked his life to uncover those serious matters - and Clinton is a hero for taking the EASIEST ROUTE to success - cover up for BushInc and his powerful cronies.

And is making millions off of those coverups, too, the last 8 years.

You have NO STANDARD of ethic or courage that would stand any natural test of human behavior. Except maybe in Bushworld where the corrupt are lauded and the invesigators are targeted.

[washingdem]

49. Kerry is awesome. He doesn't take any BS from anyone.

[Adelante]

56. I respect Senator Kerry very much

He is a good man and a great public servant.

[BootinUp]

52. I trust Kerry's instincts

lol.

[Catherine Vincent]

55. Obama/Kerry 2008!

I like the sound of that!

[Unbowed]

68. Interesting to note how all the Kerry haters happen to be Clinton supporters.

Makes you wonder about 2004, doesn't it?

The Clinton's supported Kerry and wanted him to win. Yeah, right. You believe that and I've got a whole lot of great swamp land to sell ya.

Here's the thing, the same meme that was used against Kerry by the Republicans in 2004 is being used by Clinton against Obama in 2008. Doesn't matter if it's absolute horse shit. Kerry is a hunter, has been all his life. He's a pilot. He windsurfs, which is a dangerous and physically demanding sport and far less "elite" than golf. Stupid people listen to anything apparently. He bikes in marathons and snowboards. The thing is that somebody came up with the idea of using his intelligence against him. The idea that an intelligent, athletic man is elite had to come from somewhere. Gee, I wonder where... Maybe just maybe it didn't all come from Karl Rove after all.

Clinton is pure poison. She will do anything to anyone because she knows what the Limbaughs and the Ann Coulters know: say anything nasty enough and loud enough and you will find enough assholes to spread your bullshit as gospel.

Senator John Kerry is a real hero and he lost the election to Bush by a lot less than Clinton is currently losing to Obama. Suck on that Clintonistas!

[karynnj]

69. You could also add what Kerry said about a year after his loss

He spoke of the fact that it was hard because of the good he couldn't do. When pressed on the personal level he said that he was ok because he knew he still had the love and respect of the his friends and family and he had run the race without losing his integrity.

Will Hillary be able to say that?

[Unbowed]

70. I hadn't heard that, but I'm not surprised. Kerry is a class act.

He's not President, but he's still doing a lot of good. He's on the side of the angels.

Clinton has sold her soul. She isn't trying to help us. To Kerry and to Obama, we are people. We are Americans. They stand up for us. They put themselves on the line for us. To Clinton, we are just pawns to be used for her personal advancement. She will betray us as easily as she has attacked Obama.

This Clinton person doesn't give a hoot about anyone except herself. She'll hold her head up because she don't care about honor. She's proud of the dirty campaign she's run.

[Marrah_G]

75. Kerry is my Sen- I love him tons- worked my ass for him- And I support Hillary over Obama

Gore-Biden-Edwards-Clinton..........and in the end probably will have to vote for Obama. I have an awful feeling the RW machine is going to destroy him just as they have destroyed better candidates before him.

[Unbowed]

76. Well, he will have the support of those who ran before him.

And he will have the benefit of their experience as far as the attacks go.

I wanted Kerry to run again, but I see a lot of the same qualities in Obama.