So this is how the Chicago politicians won all those caucuses!

[Freida5]

Texas Caucus Fraud
guest post by Pacific John



Following my friend Lois Capps' endorsement of Barack Obama, it became clear that I had done her and other delegates a disservice by not disclosing information I witnessed at the Texas caucuses, and that endorsements should be made with the benefit of this information. After her endorsement, I wrote to Rep. Capps so that she can be fully informed in the event that delegates are forced to shift from one candidate to the other as the party forms a consensus behind the stronger of the two candidates.

I need to point out that I am not on the Hillary for President campaign staff, and that the campaign has gone to significant lengths to keep this dirty laundry out of the press. However, it is my strong feeling that we should not withhold evidence of crime, particularly since it is inconsistent with the public Obama image of being above "anything it takes to win," and it sheds significant light onto the otherwise puzzling difference between the popular vote and caucus results. Here are excerpts from my letter to Rep. Capps.

I was a volunteer field organizer in El Paso, Texas and investigated irregularities for three weeks after the election.

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Lois Capps is correct when she wrote that Sen. Obama is inspiring. However, many of the actions of his campaign that I witnessed and investigated are criminal.

I know this information is jarring, and puts DNC delegates in an uncomfortable situation, but if the time comes for delegates to endorse or get behind a consensus candidate, this information should be available. As I wrote to Rep. Capps, I apologize for not illuminating this earlier.

My observations in Texas were that caucuses were broadly illegitimate. In a few well-run counties, Hillary's caucus vote was the same or better than the popular vote, but in chaotic counties, she fell behind by double digits. While Texas is the only state to have both a binding popular vote and a caucus vote, we saw similar results in Washington State, where Obama's numbers plunged in the unofficial primary compared to the caucuses .

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

[Beacool]

1. Chicago, the city where dead people used to vote,

makes our political machinery here in NJ appear pure as the driven snow.

[AllentownJake]

2. Yep

Hillary learned all that in her early days.

I know you may be confused where she's from since it changes depending on where her plane happens to land but she was born in and raised in Chicago. Of course she was a Goldwater girl than too.

[Beacool]

7. Nice try..........

Except, she was only 17 at the time.

Next!!!!

[AllentownJake]

15. Well Michelle Obama

Appears to be responsible for her opinions at 21.

I wonder if Michelle ever went canvassing for Ronald Reagan or Gerald Ford.

Apparently according to Hillary's own autobio she went canvassing for Goldwater in the housing projects of Chicago. Why Goldwater was sending 17 year old white girls into the projects I'm not sure.

[Beacool]

16. If she did, I wouldn't have held it against her.

We all do things in our youth that we may regret once we mature. I wonder how many of these kids who are now gaga over Obama may come to regret in the future how they felt about him.

[AllentownJake]

19. LOL

So young people being energized about a democratic candidate is something that is bad for the party all of a sudden. You'd rather them supporting John McCain or Huckabee?

Throwing the future of the party under the bus?

Even if he loses does Hillary regret working for McGovern?

[Beacool]

20. I don't know, I never asked her. n/t

[AllentownJake]

22. Seeing that they are good friends now

McGovern and her and he was her first love in politics despite being a huge loser in the GE....I doubt it.

If it wasn't for him you wouldn't have her now...think about that when you bash the young people for Obama.

[AllentownJake]

27. Crickets

Seriously before we throw the young under the bus can we remember that Bill and Hillary weren't born in 1992.

[Texas Hill Country]

EXACTLY... especially Southside Chicago.

[democracy1st]

6. Richard Mellon Scaife

[Beacool]

8. What about him? n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

24. cocaine!

Fun game!

[JVS]

35. Dead people can't caucus.

[roguevalley]

37. there is no end to the whining.

[lapfog_1]

3. Even after all these weeks and months now

of weeding out the Hill Shills with my extensive ignore list...

somehow, you slipped through...

you are now #372.

Come back when you quit linking Taylor Marsh... who might actually be worse than Rush Limpballs.

Be prepared to support the Democratic nominee for President. President-elect Obama.

[Indenturedebtor]

4. It couldn't be because it takes more effort to caucus

And his supporters are more fired up? No couldn't be that. This must be the one area in the whole primary season where he's behaving like HRC... you must be right :eyes:

[Diane R]

5. And it couldn't be because caucus votes cannot be tabulated by Diebold.

[Bucky]

11. Fighting fire with fire, eh?

What better way to respond to a bizarre, conspiracy-minded goof fest of post than with the suggestion that Diebold is suddenly in Hillary Clinton's back pocket. "Wheels within wheels, man. That's just what they want you to believe."

[tbyg52]

21. Actually, I think Texas is mostly Hart InterCivic (she said, picking nits..... ;-> )

But in the end, they are all the same.

[DearAbby]

9. Dont forget

Obama walked the same streets as Al Capone!! :::gasp:::

[cali]

10. I'm sorry, this doesn't cut it. It's one hillbot

spewing bullshit. There is no real accusation from an actual credible and unbiased source to corroborate what this person is charging. Not the press and not the state and not a single unbiased observer.

[Bucky]

13. No, no, it's true. Obama hypnotized me with his messianic lattes! I was seduced by arugula.

[boppers]

26. Oh my.

:rofl:


"You had me at arugula..."

[Bucky]

28. Sigfile!

If sigfiles ever return, that's my new sign off.

[ProSense]

12. I thought Hillary blamed MoveOn?

Hillary lost, it must be fraud?

How about this: she's running one of the worst campaign's ever!

[crimsonblue]

14. Taylor Marsh? No thanks...

She fails to mention she is a Hillary shil.

[qazplm]

17. yes

obama is a criminal...a dirty, women-hating, racist, stupid, empty-suited, lying criminal.

Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah, he eats babies. lots and lots of babies.
mostly white, female babies.

[thevoiceofreason]

18. 14th version of the same thread.

You wanna hear about Texas? Let me tell you about Texas.

There were many more atrocities from the Hillary camp than the Obama camp - by far.

[cali]

25. the thing about this missive is

that it's so delusional- I mean that in the truest sense of the word. The author offers no evidence whatsoever, just smear and actually seems to believe that SDs would pay any attention to his/her sick and unfounded smears. Sad that hill supporters are so desperate that they're buying into this patent bullshit.

[Avalux]

23. OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

Taylor Marsh strikes again. :rofl:

[Jed Dilligan]

29. If Chicago politicians built Chicago,

I'm all for whatever it is they do to get things done. It's one of the few major American cities that hasn't gone completely to shit in the past few decades.

[mckeown1128]

30. Taylor Marsh is trash...

don't post right wing sites...

Anyone who furthers the Obama= a muslim bent on US destruction lines is unacceptable as source material.

[OzarkDem]

33. Post is from an Obama supporter

who witnessed problems in Texas.

[mckeown1128]

34. I don't care if it was Jesus Christ...

I need proof... especially when it is posted on Taylor "Obama's a muslim" Marsh's site.

[OzarkDem]

31. Wholesale fraud by Obama workers

in some caucus conventions. That's just wrong, period. How would Obama supporters feel if the National Convention were operated in the same manner? From linked statement:

In one example of fraud that I witnessed, one of my precinct captains, an elderly Hispanic woman, called me to report that BHO supporters had illegally seized control of the convention. During our series of phone calls, Mrs. "A." reported that the Obama people took the convention materials and did not have a legal election of officers. Like nearly all of El Paso, BHO people would have lost such an election in this majority-Hillary, Hispanic, mostly elderly precinct convention.

The Obama people ordered Mrs. A. to sit across the room during the delegate calculation, and excluded Hillary supporters from the process. Mrs. A. overheard an Obama supporter call in a false delegate count to Austin. In a 13 delegate precinct where Obama should have won approximately 4 delegates, the Obama supporters attempted to award 19 delegates to Obama. This was not innocent. During my attempts at cell phone diplomacy, the Obama "chair" hung up on me, and refused to talk to the ethical Obama organizer I was paired with at another precinct convention. As with all major attempts at fraud that we identified, this delegate count was rectified in private at the county TDP headquarters, according to TDP rules, but there were no public charges or sanctions. It is my opinion that people should be in jail, but there is not a mechanism for this sort of prosecution, certainly not within TDP rules.

[mckeown1128]

36. What about the claims of Clinton supporters pretending to be Obama supporters..

so that they could get elected to "represent Obama" then they switch after getting voted on.


and what about this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4173737


An actual complaint...with facts and references... not someone saying that they saw "non-specific fraud only in caucuses that Obama won"

[mckeown1128]

32. BS not a single shred of evidence....

and she apparently "witnessed" that Obama only did well in the poorly run counties... BS... Obama did well in all the CD's that he was supposed to do well.