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jezebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:03 PM Original message |
New Zogby tracking. NC Obama 48, Clinton 40. Ind Obama 44, Clinton 42 |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Basically, unchanged since yesterday. Hillary +1 in NC, Obama and Hillary +1 in IN. |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Right. And that's good news for Obama. |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. If Obama manages to squeak out a win in IN and gets NC, too, will HC concede? |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. I seriously doubt it. n/t |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. yeah, me too. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
62. But if he does win both, be prepared to see a flood of superdelegates |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks! Now I don't have to stay up until Midnight |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. You're allocating 100% of black undecideds in NC to Obama |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Okay I'll give her a couple of points--88-12 |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Here is a key finding among age groups in Indiana |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Obama supporters sure love Zogby! |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Yes, but you're seeing that most of those polls came before the Wright |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. But that assumes pastorgate II hurt him in the first place in IN |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. The PA primary is in the past. The unstable part was pastorgate II |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. That's an 85% allocation |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Easy, the number was never really 77-10. Its always been 85-90-10 for Obama. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. In every state? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I dont know how to explain it, but always seems to end up with 90 percent of the black vote. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. It is just a coincidence in every state 85-90% of black "undecideds" go to Obama |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. 90-10. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. How do they have Obama winning in IN...but only ahead by 8 in NC? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. "only 8"? In the end it will be 12-15 for Obama in NC, I believe. |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
57. He was up 23 points 4 weeks ago in NC. |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. And? Hillary was up 20+ pts in PA two weeks before the voted. nt |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. Yes I think he is doing a bit better than that in NC |
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Tribetime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. Come on Zogby be right this time |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. On this poll yes that would be great! |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yea, if this is today's results it's pretty much the same as yesterdays. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. Zogby has Obama up among AAs - 77% to 10% in NC. 13% undecided AAs at this stage is too high. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Has Clinton polled better with blacks in a single state than she performed in the actual vote? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. I also think turnout among AA will be larger than the 33% pollsters are saying |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Based on what? Has that happened in other states? |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. 40% of registered democrats in NC are African- American |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Ah |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Mississippi and N.C. are two very different places........ |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R please let this end tue |
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adoraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. IN= 14% undecided |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. according to Zogby she does have a slight lead among undecideds in Indiana |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Does he give a number? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:27 PM Original message |
No the article didn't mention just that she has a "slight lead" among undecideds |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
34. Looking at the other polls, Id say he loses by ten. Looking at this one, he loses by 4. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Losing by 4 is fine. It will mean clinton only picks up a few delegates when she needed many to lead |
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jezebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. that's what I think too. Give her 10 of the undecided and him 4, it's C 52 O 48. I'll take it. nt |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. If she gets 8 and he gets 6% then it will lock up around 50% |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Well lets hope he wins Indiana as well. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
13. I don't trust Zogby... |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. He needs to really try to get Indiana a win above 5 and NC really needs to back over 10 |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Not true at all |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. For math yes. But only a good double win is going to mean Clinton will exit. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. If Obama wins both, no matter by how much, the supers will rush to him. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. We thought the supers were going to rush him to the lead after Clinton diddnt seriously win PA |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. If Obama had lost in PA by less than five, than they would have. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Hey lost by 9 and clinton picked up some delegates. What is the difference between 5 and 9 |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Yep, that would be the signal. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. If he wins both Hillary will drop out anyway. Thankfully she will win IN |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I'm not sure she'd drop out |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I am not sure she can catch up in popular vote without some serious wins in most upcoming states. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Just a side question at what point in upcoming states do you think she may drop out? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. If she wins Indiana she stays in until the end of the primary schedule |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Sounds about right. Tho I hope we will work so that her wins are under 10 in those states. |
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psychopomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:28 AM Response to Original message |
58. If Sen. Clinton loses in both states her campaign will be finished |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:09 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. She has been effectively finished for months. |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
60. Of course Zogby has been right on the money |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
63. We'll see if Zogby is a trustworthy poll again tonight. I think Indiana's going to be a little off. |
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