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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:53 PM
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Have Some Clinton and Obama Supporters Been Brainwashed by the Moonies?
Howard Dean was correct when he said today that the GOP is using “hate and divisiveness” to win elections. The want us to hate Clinton and they want us to fear Obama. The Republican Party propaganda machine has pursued this strategy with the single minded determination of a bloodhound on the trail of a fugitive since early 2007, often through the ruse of using a known right wing media outlet to air false accusations against Sen. Obama with the coda Sen. Hillary Clinton made us do it.

It all started when Insight a Rev. Sun Yung Moon owned publication published a phony story about Obama being educated in an Indonesian madrassa. Pure fiction The hook? They claimed that they got the story from the Clinton camp which had investigated Obama’s past and uncovered the evidence. CNN quickly laid the claim to rest, but not before numerous corporate media outlets gave this piece of tabloid trash way too much coverage on the grounds that Hey, we know that the part about Obama is not true, but that Hillary is such a bitch…..

I have long believed that this was but the first of a string of CREEPY style dirty tricks played by the RNC under Karl Rove’s direction. I recently found this article written by Joe Conason of Salon from Jan 26, 2007. He called it a Nixonian dirty trick while it was happening. Big gold star to Conason for being perhaps the first columnist to notice what the RNC was up to this election and call them out.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/01/26/obama/

Ghosts of dirty tricks past
The right-wing smear campaign against Barack Obama, with its telltale twist of linking Hillary Clinton to the attack, is classic Watergate.
By Joe Conason
Jan. 26, 2007 | As the 2008 presidential campaign began last week, there was something inauspicious and even spooky in the political atmosphere, with strange echoes of ugly deeds committed more than 35 years ago.
On Tuesday, Watergate felon E. Howard Hunt passed on into history at the age of 88. But even while he lay dying in Miami, not far from the late President Nixon's Florida retreat, Hunt's spiritual heirs were orchestrating a classic Watergate-style dirty trick against both Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Not coincidentally, the perpetrators included certain veterans of the old Nixon gang, whose baneful influence on American politics has only grown over the decades.
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Performing a dirty trick on one Democratic presidential candidate in a way that would reflect blame on another Democrat was the specialty of the Watergate crew led by Hunt, which back in the early '70s included G. Gordon Liddy and Donald Segretti, as well as a host of lesser goons and spies such as the ingénue Lucianne Goldberg.
According to "Nightmare: Underside of Nixon Years," the definitive book on the Watergate scandal, by the late, great journalist J. Anthony Lukas, Goldberg filed gossipy espionage reports from George McGovern's press plane on "who was sleeping with whom, what the Secret Service men were doing with the stewardesses, who was smoking pot on the plane -- that sort of thing." Or so she told him.
Meanwhile, Segretti and company had been putting out nasty smear stories about certain Democratic candidates and attributing the smears to other Democrats, in order to divide the opposition and destroy Nixon's potential competitors.


It is a great article. Be sure to read it.

This article showed me that other people were aware of what I had seen. The Pat Buchanan playbook had been dusted off. The new strategy was to paint Hillary a bitch and Obama as scary, and the RNC was going to do it in the simplest, most divisive way possible---by having their whores in the right wing media air lies about Obama and say that they got them from Clinton.

Before I go on, I would like to ask supporters of both candidates to reflect for just a moment. What is the biggest character issue that your candidate faces? For Clinton it is the problem that people see her as unlikable and untrustworthy. They think that she will do or say anything to win. She is a bitch though other Democrats will not say the word aloud. This problem has gotten so bad that even her Democratic opponent has begun to exploit the issue since it is her biggest vulnerability and all is fair in love and politics.

For Obama it is issues of patriotism. Scariness. He keeps getting questioned about flag lapel pins and about ties to Muslims and Black Muslims and “God damn America” and whether he supports Hamas and what exactly is his relationship to Wright. It has gotten so bad that even his Democratic opponent has begun to exploit the issue since it is his biggest vulnerability and all is fair in love and politics.

Now, look at that Moonie story again. The Democrats are exactly where Rev. Moon wanted them to be sixteen months ago.

It took more than that one story. Rather than linking all the press articles, I will link my journals where I describe the media atrocities as I summarize them. Here is my first journal about The Press vs. Hillary Clinton

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/157

Winter 2006-7 Washington Post culls a story about Obama’s youthful drug use from his autobiography. Fox News declares, without proof that Clinton is the source. Various RWers like Bay Buchanan, Mike Murphy make jokes about how she will do anything to win ( Obama needs a food taster etc.)

I go into much more detail about these two prong attacks in my first journal about The Press vs. Barack Obama

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/162

I have links here to the Moonie madrassa story from January 2007 including Media Matters coverage of the faux scandal and the phony resolution (the Washington Post revives the story a year later)

Then, in November 2007 as the candidates were campaigning in Iowa, Bob Novak wrote and claimed on the air that he knew that Clinton had dirt on Obama that she did not intend to use. For some reason, Obama did not call out Novak for this obvious GOP dirty trick but instead called Clinton a dirty trickster—something that Iowans can not tolerate and which may have cost her votes in Iowa. This almost certainly lead the Clinton camp to speculate that Obama was either politically naïve for not recognizing an obvious RNC dirty trick or else very calculating. It had the desired effect (from the RNC’s point of view) of causing division between the two campaigns. Novak threw even more oil on the fire .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312153,00.html

On Monday, Novak told FOX News that claims that there is actual dirt on Obama might not pass the sniff test.


WTF? He is the one who made the claims. Why say it if there was no story?

"This is very similar to the kind of trick that Richard Nixon used to pull, where he would say, 'I know some very bad information about the communists supporting George McGovern, but I can't put that out because it wouldn't be right, but I'm just too good of a guy,' " Novak said.


Novak suggests first that Clinton might have spread disinformation about having dirt when she did not have dirt in order to freak out Obama in order to trick him into making a political mistake, but then he changes tactics completely and says this:

Novak also suggested that Obama could use the information to his advantage, especially in the heated primary battle in Iowa, where Obama and Clinton were statistically tied in polls last week.
"Senator Obama's only hope is to portray Sen. Clinton as a manipulative, almost Nixonian-type of candidate who would do anything to win and can't be trusted. Obviously, Senator Obama is in a different position — he must win in Iowa," Novak said, but, "Iowa caucus-goers might be put off by any kind of allegation of dirty tricks on the part of the Clinton campaign."


You got that? Novak just called both Democrats dirty tricksters. He managed to persuade Obama to call Clinton a dirty trickster in public before the Iowa primaries. And all he had to do was tell a single lie that no one could ever disprove. For the record, Novak worked for Nixon in 1972. His “abortion, acid and amnesty” smear against McGovern was very effective.

Dec. 2007 The Washington Post, which had already introduced the subject of Obama’s youthful drug use one year before by getting the information from his autobiography and writing a feature story about it in their newspaper was able to introduce the story again when the husband of Jeanne Shaheen who was working with the Clinton camp in New Hampshire raised the question of whether or not it would hurt Obama in the general election. Note that as the husband of a politician, Shaheen would be the least likely person to take orders from Hillary Clinton. If he did anything deliberately, it would be to aid his wife’s career. Also note that if someone in one camp farts while talking about someone in another camp, the press will report it, they are so desperate for anything that they can report as an attack that will make this campaign more divisive.

(BTW, I have never understood why the “monster” comment had to be reported. I will bet that plenty of politicians have called each other assholes and not been quoted. But if someone calls Clinton a “monster” there is some kind of journalistic ethic which says it must get broadcast from the rooftops? How about I call the Pope a Nazi? Does the press need to publish that?)

Now, the Washington Post was all outrage that the story was mentioned. And Chris Matthews, who invited Penn, Axelrod and Trippi onto his show to discuss Obama and drugs for a solid hour and who kept asking “Do things really go better with coke?” pretended to be outraged when, in response to repeated questions, Penn used the word “cocaine” instead of “drugs” midway through the show. (Was the audience supposed to imagine that Obama was smoking crack? Or shooting up?) This started a whole new round of Obama and Clinton bashing, as Tweety and the guys at MSNBC began to lie that Mark Penn came on Hardball and out of nowhere introduced the subject of Obama using drugs, during a discussion of UNICEF or something like that. Since Penn clearly spoke for Clinton, the press now had an excuse to talk nonstop about the non issue of Obama and drugs and Clinton being a bitch. For whatever reason, the Obama camp decided to remind voters of this issue in January with the “Race Memo” which included the Mark Penn lie, giving the press yet another excuse to harp on the subject of Obama and drugs. I guess that Hillary is a bitch was just too tempting to let lie. Links to the Media Matters rebuttal of the Mark Penn lie are included in my journal link above.

Shaheen really did mention the topic, but that was small beans---an independent player talking to the press--- compared to the Mark Penn story which was a complete fabrication by Chris Matthews. Once again the news media had punked both Obama and Clinton. MSNBC is owned by GE. At the time this was happening, they were calling McCain “maverick” and “straight shooter” and telling Republicans why they had to get behind him to avoid a brokered Republican Convention.

Spring 2008 The attacks from the right suddenly began to come fast and furious.

Drudge put Obama in a dress---and claimed that Clinton made them do it. The Clinton camp said that they did not authorize anyone to send that photo to Drudge and while they were still grilling employees to see if any of them were guilty, the Obama camp denounced the Clinton camp---based upon the word of Drudge. The Clinton camp was then outraged at the Obama camp. Understandable, really, if you go back and read Joe Conason’s article. A CREEPY dirty trick is soooo easy to spot.

Drudge doctored Clinton’s 60 Minutes interview. When asked if Obama is a Muslim, she answers immediately and emphatically “No, of course not!” When pressured for proof, she responds a second time “No… as far as I know.” Because she is not his mother. Why doesn’t 60 Minutes go ask Obama? When she is asked a third time, she calls the rumors a right wing smear. Drudge doctors the interview to give the impression to its right wing readers that Obama is a Muslim…and that Hillary is a bitch. Once again, the Obama camp is outraged---at Clinton. The Clinton camp is then outraged at the Obama camp. No one can be this naïve. They must be doing it on purpose.

Fox airs quotes from Rev. Wright taken out of context. This is the first major right wing attack job that has not pretended to involve Clinton. Perhaps they were going to save it for the general election, until Wright decided to retire. Controversial remarks by a former pastor would have meant squat. These fit right in to the Obama is scary and un-American narrative that the RNC has been developing. Since there is video involved, and since it feeds an ongoing narrative Obama is un-American the press can keep airing this forever.

Obama needs a distraction. His speech alone will not do it. So, when Sinbad, an Obama supporter, mentions that he does not remember any sniper fire in Bosnia and CBS (which stabbed Dan Rather in the back and axed Ed Bradley's story about Lies About WMDs because its problems with owning too many TV stations makes it Karl Rove's bitch) comes up with footage, they have their distraction. They promote this aggressively. Since it feeds an ongoing narrative Hillary is a lying bitch who will do anything to get elected and since it has video, they can keep this going for at least a couple of weeks. Long enough for Wright to die down….

And at this point, the two camps are so thoroughly brainwashed that they no longer have to be provoked by agents of the right wing. As soon as a news organization launches a smear against one of them based upon either “Hillary is a bitch” or “Barack is scary” the other can be counted upon to hop right in to join the fray, because by now the supporters of the two candidates fully believe the smears. Obama supporters just know that Clinton is the reason for any bad press that their guys gets even though this journal say otherwise
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/163

The Right Wing Media v. Obama: Death of 1000 Cuts or Softening Him Up for the General Election

And Clinton supporters just know that they have been robbed by a scary alliance of Karl Rove, the MSM and Barack Obama which has unfairly painted her as a bitch, witch, laser mean wielding monster----though such a team makes no sense. Out of my four part journal on The Press vs. Hillary Clinton only one volume was needed to cover “friendly fire” or attacks by the liberal or Democratic press. Everything else came from the right wing or corporate media, and the bulk of the left wing attacks started in January and February 2008, after both the Obama and Clinton campaigns had been completely overcome by insanity.

Those who listened to Rev. Wright’s speeches to the NAACP and the National Press Club as opposed to critiquing them heard him talk about reconciliation. We can only unite the country if we first heal the divide within our party. The rift is artificial. There is no real difference between women and Blacks, poor and the disabled, immigrants and Muslims. We get divided by labels that get stuck on us so that a few people who own all the marbles can rob us of our single greatest resource, our solidarity.

The next time Matt Drudge or Rev Moon or Bob Novak says “Look into my eyes. I have something to show you…” tell him

“My eyes are clear and my mind is unclouded. I can see through your lies. Go fuck yourself.”

Eventually, the right wing will get the message that we can not be moved by their silly distractions.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:56 PM
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1. Bingo and bookmarked n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:23 PM
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8. Ditto...plus I hope all Obama supporters would read this and get a fairer perspective
of this Primary...but unfortunately I doubt it.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:59 PM
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29. They're too busy hanging on Bareback Andy's every word at the moment
Maybe later.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:03 PM
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32. What's more reprehensible? Andy's views, or exposing unwitting partners to AIDS?
And do not tell me that he only had sex with HIV+ partners like himself, because that doesn't matter. The virus mutates, and while one person can be positive and not be affected by that strain, he could be exposed to a different strain that proves deadly.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:21 PM
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34. Both are disgusting IMO
Others disagree, simply because he says what they want to hear.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:48 PM
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15. 2nd Clinton Volunteer Resigns Over Obama Muslim Email Dec 10,2007
Clinton staffer on anti-Obama email chain December 05, 2007

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Clinton_staffer_on_antiObama_email_chain.html

Second Clinton Volunteer Resigns Over Obama Muslim Email

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/10/second-clinton-volunteer-_n_76047.html
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:00 PM
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2. Printing to enjoy later.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:04 PM
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3. MT, K & R, I'm about 1/3 of the way through this meticulously researched essay.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 10:06 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
Thank you!

:kick:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:07 PM
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4. remember the close association with GHW Bush and Moon
...and now lately there is the question of whether Yoo is a Moonie planted to destroy the protections of the U.S. Constitution.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:50 PM
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16. The Clinton Campaign Finds New Allies: Richard Mellon Scaife And Fox News
Hillary chooses to do an interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. This paper has a lot of influence over Reagan Democrats in Western Pennsylvania -- so that seems like a reasonable choice, if you want to churn up opposition to an African-American with a shot at the presidency.

But this paper is owned by far-right mogul Richard Mellon Scaife. He was present at the interview, and he wrote a column supporting Hillary after the interview. That's what happened.

Now Scaife was one of the main sources of funding for the vast right wing conspiracy against the Clintons back in the day. He supported efforts to show that the Clintons arranged for the murder of Vince Foster -- remember that? And that's just one example.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thomas-de-zengotita/the-clinton-campaign-find_b_94362.html
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:12 PM
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5. there's a reason why the corporate media picked HRC and Obama as frontrunners
what shocks me is how many DUers fell for it
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:05 AM
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23. You are correct.
It has little to do with democracy. Eliz. Edwards has written about this..... and I believe her.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:15 AM
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26. Exactly. nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:01 PM
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30. Bingo.
I am so proud I voted for Kucinich. :)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:01 PM
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31. dupe
Edited on Mon May-05-08 05:01 PM by bigwillq
sorry
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:16 PM
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33. :(
Aye
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:15 PM
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6. Wow! I will have to sleep on this one! n/t
Edited on Sun May-04-08 10:16 PM by TheDudeAbides
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:57 PM
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17. Did the Clinton campaign light up Obama drug-use story? Wednesday, Dec. 12, 2007
Bill Shaheen, who raised the issue of Obama's past drug use today, may not work at Clinton's campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va. But Shaheen, the husband of former New Hampshire Gov. Jeanne Shaheen, is a co-chairman of Clinton's New Hampshire campaign and her national campaign. While the job of a campaign "co-chairman" can be a largely ceremonial one, Bill Shaheen and his wife aren't exactly strangers to Hillary Clinton. They were important enough to her that she put in a personal phone call to them on the day she announced her candidacy for the presidency in January. And when Bill Shaheen announced that he was endorsing Clinton and would be serving as her New Hampshire co-chairman, Clinton said: "My campaign in New Hampshire is in exactly the right hands. Bill Shaheen brings so much with him, and I am absolutely thrilled to have his guidance and leadership."


"Shaheen ... expressed his personal misgivings about whether Obama or Edwards would be electable if they became the party's nominee. Among his concerns about Obama as the nominee Shaheen, a lawyer and influential state power broker, mentioned as an example Obama's use of cocaine and marijuana as a young man, which Obama has been open about in his memoir and on the trail.

"Shaheen said Obama's candor on the subject would 'open the door' to further questions. 'It'll be, "When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?"' Shaheen said. 'There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome.'"


http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/12/12/drugs/
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:21 PM
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7. One of your better articles
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:24 PM
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9. In all of your research did you find where Hillary has actually
publicly supported Moon's programs?

If not, you need to keep researching

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:26 PM
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10. "Obama needs a distraction...when Sinbad...mentions that he does not remember any sniper fire"
So who made Hillary lie?

Do you ever get tired of posting nonsense?




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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:32 PM
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11. Her book was correct - the retelling two weeks earlier got meshed with other days/events - lie isn't
what it was - just confusion.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:00 PM
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14. She told the same story six times, then said it was once and then blamed it on lack of sleep.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:00 PM by ProSense
It was a lie. What the excuse for her NAFTA lies.

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:35 PM
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12. Kicking. Thanks for illuminating the MSM/Moony, and Nixon "dirty tricks" ties.
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:52 PM
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13. Do you have anything on GWB and Moon adjoining ranches in Paraguay,
who was the original owner, who sold what to whom, and does GWB hold clear title? IMO, this sounds like a straw buyer scheme to me.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:04 AM
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18. K&R, and thanks for the good information.
I have to say that the previous posts you have made along these lines have been invaluable, and have given me a much better perspective on the campaign than I would have had otherwise - with a long way still to go.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:10 AM
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19. Rush Limbaugh Campaigning for Hillary? video
Welcome to the bizaro world known as the 2008 Presidential election. Rush Limbaugh appears on the O’Reilly factor (with guest host Laura Ingraham) to explain how/why he is encouraging people to vote for Hillary right now. Ok, so there is perhaps a method to his madness, but one might say - he’s just gone off the deep end? Or maybe he’s just relishing 4 years of future Clinton attacks on his radio show. Either way, Rush seems to be making some pretty serious waves this election season. Check it out…

http://www.talkradioinsiders.com/blog/?p=37
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:20 AM
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20. Some???
n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:25 AM
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21. let me look..............nope.....
it`s the same old brain that believes barack is the person to help us out of this mess we are in.

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:36 AM
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22. We all need something (someone) to believe in. I hope your dream comes true.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:08 AM
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24. Excellent synopsis of how we have been played
for the fools we apparently are.
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RTBerry Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:48 AM
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25. k&r
n/t  
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:33 PM
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27. Over and over
your research and insight offer so much to DU. i really have to ask of the crowd if anyone reads McCamy and comes to see things differently. Those of us with open minds are always ready to learn, but we see so many closed minds here. Along with their media control, I think it is evident that the dark side has had not just new paid trolls and phony DU'ers, but that they have had sleepers here since the last election. They can have thousands of posts and been here for years and still pretend to support one candidate while using their seeming legitimacy to divide and destroy Democratic progress. Can some of the Clinton and Obama supporters who are long time DU'ers and are appalled by the nastiness of some posts speak up and say so? It would help flush out the trolls.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:10 PM
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28. As long as Democrats share the same beliefs I do, I am
voting the straight ticket and putting all the media garbage, lies, innuendos, and just plain piece of shit gossip at the door.... It's Dems or nothing....
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