Sadly Clinton will win Indiana

[blueinindiana]

I have lived in southern Indiana all my life except for my six years of Naval Service.

Indiana is still a haven of deep rooted racism and some parts of Indiana might as well be part of the south.

Hoosiers will give you many excuses why they can't vote for Obama but the real reason is RACE.

I just hope it is somewhat close but it will be very clear once the polls close it will be Clinton victory.

Of course during the General this state will go for McCain after all this is Indiana!

If Satan ran as GOP they woudl vote for him.


If by some Miracle Obama pulls out win here it is the end of Clinton but it won't happen.

[mystieus]

1. There's always a chance but I tend to agree with you. *fingers cross*

[graywarrior]

2. We're all in this til they are both on the same ticket.

[FrenchieCat]

3. At this point he is not favored to win Indiana......because

like you said there must be many racists there that call themselves Democrats.

Do I have to be in the same party as them? I'm not White, and I'm a Democrat.

At some point I will have to leave the party that "accepts" the fact that racism in the party is an ok thing. I really don't need to stand with those kind of people. I think that I can do better elsewhere. I will most likely become an Independent after all of this is over. It makes me ashamed or our party.

[faithfulcitizen]

20. It's not so much racist democrats as it is a racist area (of which most are repub.) i.e open primary

[LakeSamish706]

4. I firmly believe that the Obama folks recognize that Hillary might win IN...

But I don't think that it will be by a large margin if she does..

[faithfulcitizen]

5. As a hoosier, you are right about the racism. BUT southern Indiana is different

than other parts of the state. Baron Hill and Lee Hamilton might really help him there too if he gets some good coverage. I am truly shocked at all of the Obama signs I'm seeing in central Indiana. Anyway, you may be right, but there's still hope. :)

[iamjoy]

6. He Won Kansas, Didn't He

I'm not saying that means he will Indiana, but I am not giving up hope yet. After all, Kansas is a pretty old-fashioned non-diverse state, too - right? I mean, at least Indiana has Senator Bayh, Kansas keeps sending Brownback.

Then again, Kansas has Governor Sebelius and Obama got to put his white cousins on stage at events.

Still, Obama won Nebraska and Oklahoma.

So, there is no need to give up hope because you think there's too much racism in Indiana. The same could be said about many other states Obama has won. Of course, that was before the Wright controversy. Before Wright opened his trap, people could almost forget Obama wasn't white. Now he's been forced to take the race bull by the horns

[faithfulcitizen]

11. In Kansas, he was considered like a native son, plus Bayh is the only dem to vote for Bush tax cuts.

WTH! Repubs like him here more than Dems. But I still agree with your points.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Obama did not win Oklahoma.......

It wasn't Wright so much, but how the media chose to exploit Wright. They are the ones that decided that race was more important than anything else....and decided to divide....and Clinton loved that bandwagon!

Like I said, I will be leaving the Democratic Party...because as a Black person, I don't have to take this shit.....and if the party welcomes racists in it, than I cannot be any part of it.

[RichGirl]

18. Obama grew up in Kansas.

[FrenchieCat]

21. No he didn't.

[faithfulcitizen]

24. His grandparents and mom are from Kansas. He grew up in Hawaii.

[Zynx]

47. Indiana has a much different history than Kansas.

Indiana was home to the largest concentration of Klan members of any state at its peak. The governor was Klan, half the state legislature was Klan, etc.

[backscatter712]

52. Indiana's down in the Race Chasm.

In other words, it's one of the states that has a between 6% and 17% black population.

The states with very high black populations, like S. Carolina, have gone for Obama - there's big race issues in those states, but the large black population that is going 90+% for Obama tends to overpower any white racism. The states with very low black population, like Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, have such a low number of blacks, that the seething race problems don't exist - the racist memes among whites don't really perpetuate - the reaction is "So Obama's black, what's the problem?" which explains why those states go for Obama. It's the states in between, where the racist memes perpetuate, and there aren't enough blacks to overpower the racist memes, where Obama has difficulties.

[jackson_dem]

57. Interesting theory

The other major factor is all the states you listed had caucuses. The only primaries Obama has won the white vote in are Vermont, Illinois, Utah, New Mexico, Wisconsin, and Virginia. IL is obvious since it is his home state. VT and UT are almost all white, NM's racial dynamic is white-Latino, and Wisconsin is only 8% black. VA is the only racially diverse state where he has won the white vote, which is interesting in light of your theory.

[4themind]

7. I have....hope

:D

[Tatiana]

8. Yes, there are racists in Indiana. I have first-hand experience with some of them.

I'm trying to have faith that there are more non-racists in NW IN and Indianapolis than racists in So. IN.

[barack the house]

9. This poll says it's possible.

http://www.pollster.com/08-IN-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

[me b zola]

10. Indiana (verb)

Is that a dance move, or a high-dive?



:hi:

[milkyway]

12. But isn't southern Indiana quite a bit different than the northern and western parts

of the state?

p.s. I think you left a word out of your subject line, there's still time to edit it. :)

[faithfulcitizen]

15. Quite different. Beautiful part of the state, but not many "cities" besides Evansville, & suburbs of

Louisville & Cincinnati.

[Eric Condon]

58. It's so different that it really might as well be two states.

Culturally, Southern Indiana is VERY different from the rest of the state - the Northern part is part Rust Belt and part self-proclaimed giant Chicago suburb - hence people at IU from as far away as Valparaiso claiming to be "from Chicago." Southern Indiana, meanwhile, fancies itself part of "the South," for some reason, mostly because of its proximity to Kentucky, I suppose.

See, it's weird for me, because I've lived my entire life in New Albany (right across the river from Louisville on the IN-KY border), so I've had the unique experience of growing up straddling one state thought to be "Southern" and another thought to be "Midwestern." But honestly, I've never really thought of Kentucky (certainly not Louisville) as being "Southern," either. That's why its extra-annoying when people from Southern Indiana fly rebel flags and try to make themselves out to be "the South."

And if you don't believe me about the rebel flags here, believe it. You can probably throw a rock anywhere in Southern Indiana and hit one. It gets REALLY fucking old after a while. Ugh.

[RememberWellstone]

14. Hillary is a Democrat.

You Obamanites need to remember that...it is democrats voting for democrats. Obama is not the only democrat running.

[Crewleader]

16. Well Said RememberWellstone!

:applause:

[Hawkeye-X]

19. We Obamaniacs refuse to recognize Hillary R. Clinton

as our Democratic candidate because she behaves like a Republican. She should be competing with McCain for votes, not Obama.

QE: It's my opinion - so don't lump the Obamaniacs - some may be willing to vote for Hillary - I will not.

Hawkeye-X

[faithfulcitizen]

22. Then why is she campaigning as if she's the republican nominee?

[TahitiNut]

25. It's an open primary. Maybe YOU should remember that.

Condescension coupled with ignorance is very unattractive.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/IN-D.phtml

In any Primary election in INDIANA, voters state which Party they are affiliated with by asking the poll workers for the ballot of that Party in a given Primary. A voter's party affiliation is determined solely by his or her Primary voting record; the state's voter registration form does NOT provide a place for the voter to state Party affiliation.

Even though the history of a voter's Party affiliation - solely as determined by the individual voter's Primary voting record - is part of the public record, the informaton is NOT available at the polling place. Any voter, however, may challenge another voter's Party affiliation at the polls:

In such a case, the voter making the challenge (the "challenger") fills out an affidavit that the voter being challenged (the "challengee") has not, in fact, voted in the Party's Primaries in the past, an assertion against which the challengee must fill out a counter-affidavit, asserting that they intend to vote for a majority of the candidates of the challengee's Party of choice in the next General Election. If the challengee fills out this counter-affidavit, the challengee is allowed to vote in the Primary; however, if the challengee refuses, he or she is not allowed to vote in the Primary.

Nevertheless, since General Election ballots are cast in secret, the intention expressed in the counter-affidavit by the challengee is impossible to enforce.

[davidpdx]

31. Wow Tahiti, I didn't know that

Thanks for posting the info!

[TahitiNut]

32. You're welcome. Look for GOP crossover voting.

Indiana has a long history of racism, despite the best efforts of many good Hoosiers.

[quantass]

26. Hillary is GOP...As an onlooker outside U.S. i can say that Honestly.

No way she's democrat...and i'm serious....and in so being, she will take Indiana since they only go republican

[keep_it_real]

27. Yea, right, a former Goldwater Girl

[Tatiana]

29. Democrats AND REPULICANS AND INDEPENDENTS voting for Democrats.

Any registered voter can ask for a Democratic ballot.

You knew that, right?

[TexanDem]

34. Democrat? Yeah, like Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller

[Eric Condon]

53. We don't call her Zellary for nothing. nt

[Gore1FL]

35. True but everyone else besides him on the ballot is an also ran.

[phiddle]

38. I wish that I COULD remember that, but she keeps making me forget!

[SoxFan]

42. Tell her to start acting like one

[mmonk]

74. She needs to remind us every once in awhile

so we won't forget it by her campaign's acceptance of republican divide and conquer politics.

[Shine]

17. If it happens, the question then will be : by how much??

anything less than 5% would be great for Obama.

[keep_it_real]

23. Thanks for your honesty

[Colobo]

28. He'll lose by 8%.

[faithfulcitizen]

41. ouch! I really hope not.

[NotThisTime]

54. I think that number is right, but hope I am wrong....

[Quixote1818]

30. Um, the racist voters almost never register as Democrats so they probably won't come into play

And in the General Election they were going to vote Republican anyway.

[TahitiNut]

36. Again ... Indiana is an OPEN PRIMARY!

Got that yet?? :eyes:

[faithfulcitizen]

43. No one registers, they are having a field day here with us! Unless they

care about their local school board or mayor, you bet you sweet --- they are voting in OUR primary. Rush Limbaugh is the hottest radio show going (besides Hannity) and "operation chaos" is in full swing. They are even on our FM stations! The only hope Obama had with the repubs in Indiana is that they ignore Rush and vote for him because of their utter hatred for Hillary Clinton.

I keep saying how ironic it is that we hoosiers are even in this position. It's like the twilight zone here.

[Gore1FL]

33. I think Cliton will win IN by 5-10.

He'll win NC by the same margin. In the end he'll pick up a handful more than half the delegates that Tuesday offers.

That is more than he needs to to. Of the 187 on the block, tuesday, if Hillary wins 94 and he wins 93, the percentage needed to win thereafter (based on current SD totals) is:

Obama: 193/495 or 39% of all remaining delegates
Clinton: 322/495 or 65% of all remaining delegates

Of course there are 3 SDs who are supposed to declare for Obama tommorrow. additionally, it is more likely that Tuesday will go 96-91 in Obama's favor.

adjusting this accordingly:

Obama: 187/492 or 38% of all remaining delegates
Clinton 325/492 or 66% of all remaining delegates

The Clinton campaign is on it's last legs... I guess they are too numb from the bleeding to feel it...

[melody]

37. Obama will win Indiana ... narrowly, but he'll win

He's trending sharply up over the last few days.

I've noticed the "he'll lose" psychology folk rebounding today on DU though.

[TahitiNut]

39. If Obama keeps it within about 7% (and 2 delegates), he'll have done well, imho.

It's an Open Primary and the GOP side has lost interest. That means conservative independents and GOPhers will vote in the Democratic Primary but go GOP in November. Folks motivated by racial antipathy will make a difference.

[TexanDem]

40. Seems like we're learning what "working white" means. How sad! >>

And there's Hillary, out there pandering to them with her pumping gas and trying to operate a coffee maker and all the while making her statement, "Look at me, I'm white like you" while her partners in crime, the media and the Right, do the dirty work for her, scaring those "working whites" of the "big bad black man." It's disgraceful, and I'm so ashamed of that that mentality is still among us. I'm white, and I live in the south, and I know there are plenty of those "working whites" around here, too. It's a state of mind more than it is an economic group. Never in a million years would they vote for a black. Obama's half white half doesn't count. And when it's all said and done, they won't vote for a female either! They'd rather vote for McSame. But I have total faith that of anybody on the face of the planet right now, Obama is the one person who can help to heal that divide if he's given half a chance. GoBama!!!

[faithfulcitizen]

44. I wish I could recommend your post! But I have a heartening anecdote:

My 56 year old father-in-law is all out racist and total fundy wing-nut. Doesn't make any sense since he's 1/2 Japanese and sensitive about it. Sometimes people think he's Mexican and that infuriates him. Anyway, he knows his son & daughter-in-law are voting for Obama and he makes fun of us all the time. He's a military vet & born again Christian and hates everything liberal. So, yesterday he calls and says "I'm voting for Obama." My husband's jaw was on the floor. Why dad? "Because, I realized I've been racist all my life, and I think God is trying to tell me something. My ex-wife left me for a black man, I now have a half black granddaughter, and I never thought a son of mine would vote for a black liberal. So, I've been listening to him speak, and I really like what he has to say. John McCain is just going to give us more of the same. I think Obama could be a great leader." WHAT? WE ARE SHOCKED! Just thought I would share. Peace.

[Tatiana]

49. Sweet mother of God... good for your father-in-law! n/t

[TexanDem]

62. Wow -the healing will come one by one! What a fabulous testament! Thanx for sharing!

What really touches me about your father-in-law's situation is that he IS a born again Christain and he's experiencing that healing love. Too many in the Christian Right have lost sight of that love and unity and only look to their own little groups and are caught up in their self-righteousness and exclusionary clicks to the point that "real" Christians don't even recognize their own religion anymore. Your father-in-law is a testament to what it's all about!! What a beautiful thing to see the transformation of a heart! I can't tell you how much that story lifted my own spirits!

[TexasLady]

65. your post gives me soo much hope

How my parents did it in Texas I do not know. I give them lots of credit. But dammit, If our related folks aren't racists, they are sexists. Oh, they hated McCain, but anything is better than a woman or a black man! Can't have THAT!

We come from East and Central Texas. Take heart in one thing, folks, the sexist racist vote is solidly Republican in rural Texas. (Fine, didn't want your stupid uninformed-wife beatin' triple K vote anyway.) In fact, people I THOUGHT were beyond these issues, suddenly whisper that it MATTERS..Unfortunately, even their vote counts, non-progressive asses that they are.

The GOOD thing out of all of this is that there are now FIVE human beings on this earth that all learned from their MAMA that it IS the content of character, not color or gender, that matter. Whether they pick Politicians, or Best Friends. In SPITE of their relatives, their upbringing MATTERED. Enough that at least four of the five lean my way.(Dem/Progressive) The one is a rebel, I forgive him. LOL..But he's fifteen...I still have time..:D

Yeah, my father in law is a 'born again' dittohead, too. Maybe there is also hope for him? My fingers are crossed!

[faithfulcitizen]

68. It gives me hope too. My husband has always been ashamed of that side of his dad. We are floored.

Racism, at the heart of it, is fear. I think Obama, being from both "worlds", helps bridge the racial divide for some.

[annie1]

45. if obama doesnt win it's because of racism, lovely. but the reality actually is...

when he wins NC it's b/c he's black, same for all the other states where black people are over 40% of the registered democrats. i mean, let's be honest.

[faithfulcitizen]

48. You have a very good point. But an open primary in Indiana? If it goes Obama, that's a good sign

for all of us in this country, imo.

[annie1]

50. open primaries are good for obama in general, independents think he's not a politician.

[jackson_dem]

60. Not anymore. His indie appeal has vanished ever since folks learned he isn't perfect

Since the vetting process began the indie vote has split almost evenly and rethugs are close too. He used to win indies 2:1 and rethugs 3:1. He may lose the indie vote in both IN and NC...

[jackson_dem]

59. Obama supporters say race has nothing to do with him winning 90% of the black vote

Yet when Clinton gets 50%+1 of the white vote that MUST be because of racism. :crazy: Tomorrow will be hilarious. Obama will win 90% of the black vote in NC, less than 40% of the white vote and win overall yet he will lose IN and IN will be tarred and feathered as racist while Obama winning NC with 90% black support will be just grand. How funny would it be if Clinton won 80% of the white vote in KY or WV? I want to see her get 80% just once to see how Obamanation reacts. 90% is impossible. 80% is a (very) slim possibility in KY and WV.

[crankychatter]

46. it's a tight race and you can't know

sorry

[madrchsod]

51. the only counties in illinois that obama lost in the 2004 election

border central to southern indiana. he won every other county in illinois.

[Eric Condon]

55. Sadly, I think you're probably right.

I've lived in Southern Indiana (New Albany, to be exact) my entire life as well, and racism here is no big secret. I hate to think about it being true, but there's a reason why Indiana is always one of the reddest states.

As another poster pointed out earlier today, "white working-class" is really a codeword for "racially exploitable," and there's no shortage of that around here. Since we're so close to Louisville, people around here cling to the idea that Southern Indiana is "the South" (though I don't consider Louisville southern, either), and I think maybe that crap just goes with the territory. But yeah, there's no shortage of the "soon whites are gonna be a minority in their own country" crowd around here. Sigh.

Oh well, since Indiana always goes Republican in the GE, I won't have to feel guilty about voting for McKinney in the event that Zellary steals the nomination.

[Dems to Win]

56. Indiana: vote against crass and rude. Vote Obama!

The entire Clinton campaign has zero class. Get them off the stage.

James Carville: "If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two."

As a feminist, I'm appalled by this comment. This should be the end of all whining about sexism from the Clinton camp. All gutter comments about Hillary's vagina are fair game, after this. Unfortunately.

Not a good day for feminists.

Indiana and North Carolina voters, end this now. Please.

Vote Obama. For civilization.

[jackson_dem]

61. Obama won 30% of the white vote in LA and 40% in MA. That must be because of racism!

Google "Massachusetts governor" and "Louisiana governor". This is funny. The greatest politician ever suddenly can't do, according to his adoring fans, what lesser lights did? Maybe Axlerod should run Patrick in 2016 instead of Obama again then.

[mtnsnake]

63. Hillary will win Indiana because she's the most competent, not because of the color of her skin

[jackson_dem]

64. Mtn how can you reason with this Obamite logic?

1) Obama loses Dem primaries, especially ones in big states (including crucial swing states like PA and OH), because of racism
2) Obama will win the general election when the racist share of the electorate is substantially higher (On averageindies are more racist than Dems, rethugs more racist than both, and Dem primary voters are less racist than Dems who don't vote in primaries but will vote in the GE)

:crazy:

Using their own excuses for Obama losing he is unelectable.

[mtnsnake]

69. You can't reason with it

because they have no logic or common sense either.

I guess they still think that their views represent how mainstream Democrats across the country feel. It's called living an illusion.

[PBS Poll-435]

66. Exactly.

Anyone saying differently has an agenda.

[TahitiNut]

75. So, Obama has won TWICE as many states and 140 more delegates because he's the most competent?

I see. It's good that you see that. :eyes:

[Robbins]

67. ZOgby

New poll has him maintaining a 2 point lead there.So he might have a shot at winning.Regardless I
think who ever wins It will be by a small margain.

[my3boyz]

70. If he won by 1% I would be happy! Hell, if he won by 7 votes (ala Guam) I would

be happy! Because that would mean it would be a virtual tie in a state that she was supposed to win. I'm still nervous about NC though! Obama needs the AA to turn out in full force for him on Tuesday if he is going to have a shot. He really should have made a trip back to NC in the AA areas to firm up his base. He missed out on an opportunity in Philly to do that........

[sfam]

71. Sadly? My guess is Clinton will be fairly happy if she wins...nt

[Yossariant]

72. Is every, single one of Obama's followers a race baiter? Bueller?

[Buzz Clik]

73. The demographics of Indiana are complex, but you summed up southern IN quite nicely.

Let's hope that the rest of the state can counterbalance.

[Craftsman]

76. How is it sad when the majority of dems in a state vote for their choice?