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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:44 PM
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Unity Ticket: Have The Rules Changed?
I posted about this a couple of months ago. At the time, Barack was untouchable and picking up new supporters left and right. I am a staunch supporter of his, but even I have to admit it seems that his support has peaked.

A couple of months ago Obama had ZERO negatives because of his "newness" to the whole political microscope. Well, they eventually got "something" like they knew they would. He handled it bravely, but the damage is done.

Anyway, my point is, before it was clear that a Hillary ticket would HAVE TO have Obama on it to bring in the needed voters. At the time, it seemed Hillary would offer NOTHING to an Obama ticket except baggage. I have to say, the equation has changed.

Hillary joining Obama as a VP would be a symbol of unity and it would also solidify the "blue collar" vote that she has been more successful in courting. I never thought Obama would ever want to share a ticket with Hillary, but things are shaping up to be divided along such lines as to almost necessitate it.

Call it, friendo?
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:51 PM
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1. There are other people who can shore up the blue collar vote
any number of Democrats can fulfill that equation.

Plus I think with her baggage, plus the new Obama baggage, there is enough baggage for a 5 year trip to the Galapagos.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:53 PM
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2. Obama won't ask Hillary. He knows she would tank any ticket...
...Besides, he could not run the kind of campaign he wants with Hillary and her pig-slop politics weighing hm down.

Finally, I don't think many Obama supporters would support him if he did.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:00 PM
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3. I have a hard time imagining Hillary as anyone's second in command
but if Clinton had won the nomination by Super Tuesday, it would have been plausible for Obama to be her VP. As the race exists now, I can't see these two teaming up to do anything.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:02 PM
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4. Obama has a better chance with Hillary, I'm sure of it
Her voters will likely vote for the ticket because she's on it.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:28 PM
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8. So Hillary may need Obama. But he needs Hillary like a fish needs a bicycle. n/t
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:44 PM
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15. or like a Zebra needs rollerskates
Or like a duckbilled platypus needs a typewriter.

Afternoon sillies are so much fun!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:42 PM
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13. I'd say the other way around.
Having Obama as Clinton's VP would give Obama's supporters a reason to stay engaged. As an Obama supporter, that would be a great way to keep me excited about working for her in the fall. Right now I'm not all that enthused by her, but if Obama is on the ticket I'll still help him out.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:08 PM
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5. The equation hasn't changed. Hillary would still need Obama to bring the ........................
the number of new voters, under 30, who registered for the first time to specifically vote for Obama. Hillary would still win the African-American vote by around 90%, but the turnout wouldn't nearly be as high without Obama on the ticket.

The racist who won't vote for Obama in the primary will not vote for Obama in the GE no matter who is in the VP slot.

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:15 PM
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6. Clinton herself has claimed
she has little confidence in Obama's ability to lead, so far as to backhandedly endorse McCain over him. I would find it difficult to take a unity ticket seriously. I also believe her negatives would seriously drag down the ticket. I personally don't have confidence in her.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:16 PM
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7. We don't need ANY DLC members on a Democratic Ticket
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:29 PM
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9. Obama as Hillarys VP? No freaking way. nt
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:33 PM
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10. I wasn't aware there were Unity Ticket Rules
The last I heard, once the nomination is made, the nominee and their advisers carefully select a running mate based on a wide number of factors such as foreign policy experience and other qualifiers. There is no consolation prize for coming in second.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:38 PM
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11. Together they would be laughing stock
Not after this Primary season.

No F'n way.

It would be the loosing ticket....not the Unity Ticket.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:41 PM
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12. if you removed all the votes Hillary got in the primary that will go to McCain in November ...
... then she would not have won more than a handful of states. Her "wins" are largely the result of her getting votes in the primary that will go to the Republican nominee in November. She's got nothing to deliver, even if she would do so, which she wouldn't.

She's in it to hobble Obama and run in 2012.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:44 PM
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14. he better not offer it to her..
Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:44 PM by SoCalDem
She deserves a kick in the pants & getting sent back to the senate with all her "non-friends"..:evilgrin:

and if she finagles her way to the top of the ticket and asks him, I SO hope he says..NO way,_ _ _ _ _ "
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:05 PM
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16. He may find it more productive to pick a running mate willing to sign onto his agenda...
...rather than having to train a strong-willed political opponent suddenly to change her tune. If such a running mate can also shore up his perceived weaknesses, he will not choose Clinton.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:10 PM
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17. Pelosi already said no way
and on this issue, at least, I agree.

Hillary would be a terrible choice for vp and Obama would do himself a disservice to become part of her political circle. the candidate needs to be decided. let people get past their candidate losing. some will take their toys and go home, no matter who wins. But it is time to GET BEYOND the inter-party fighting. If Hillary were Obama's v.p., it would be a disaster for him to try to implement change.

I cannot tell you the depths to which I oppose Clinton. If she is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote, but that's all. If she's the nominee, it will be by super delegate coup, and at that point I will no longer give a shit. So, no. No more Clintons, please.
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