Do you remember where Kerry stood on the war in 2004?

[hedgehog]

Plese note; I'm not asking where Kerry stood, I'm asking if you remember where he stood. IMO, we have one candiate this time around who is clearly against the war and one who will say she is against the war if that will gain votes. I think it was possible to steal the election from Kerry because people who were against the war back then had no particular reason to select him over Bush.


So, what do you think now?

[Blue_In_AK]

1. I'm sure they'll both make an effort.

I'm not sure if they'll succeed.

[emilyg]

6. Good answer.

[Radical Activist]

2. Kerry wanted a better managed war.

He didn't challenge the fact that we shouldn't be there in the first place. He couldn't because he voted for it and Hillary will have the same problem. Yet another reason why Hillary is completely unelectable. Remember flip-fops at the GOP convention?

[Cant trust em]

3. I'll go with the candidate with detailed plans.

From hillaryclinton.com.
As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

From barackobama.com
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

[PresidentObama]

4. Barack Obama is going to be the nominee. So it doesn't matter where Hillary stands.

:hide:

[Cant trust em]

5. another option. One of the candidates will get us out sooner than the other. NT

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

7. So anyway Obama on gas!

It's odd ,how it is Obama supporters seem to believe Obama can do like Nixon did . Nixon campaigned in 72 proclaiming he would end the war in Vietnam with dignity.
The Vietnam war came to a close. Little did the people know the Nixon adminstration had a different war to start. The oil imbargo ring any bells?

But that's not the real question. The real question is,how little does Obama know?

Obama doesn't get it
Hillary does
Get it right
Hillary for president

[Cant trust em]

10. Wow. That is really one of the most egregious non sequiturs I've ever seen on DU.

Your argument is as follows:

1. Obama and Nixon both want to end wars with dignity.
2. Nixon ended the Vietnam War.
3. Nixon is at fault for the Oil Embargo
4. Therefore, Obama's energy policy is also faulty.

or maybe my sarcasm meter isn't switched on right now.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

17. Maybe it's not

but on the other hand if you don't know than maybe you never will.
Maybe it's what you don't know ,don't remember or never will know that most politicans rely on.

Nixon did pride himself in the fact that for the most part ,the public has short memories,or no knowledge what so ever .That's why for the freedom of information act.All those papers Dangerous Dick keeps locked tight.The Nixon white house papers.But hay,turn the sarcasms thing on,what the hell.

By the way,Nixon was a elitist.

[hedgehog]

11. I was going to add these choices (Obama would be faster, Hillary would be faster,)

but I think it might confuse things since this is secondary to the choice that both would get us out.

[TragedyandHope]

8. Obama will make the best effort of the three candidates.

Lucky for us, he will sitting in the White House next year.

[blm]

9. Yes - I do and YOU DO NOT. Kerry was against Bush's DECISION to invade and stood against it since

weapon inspections were proving use of force was not needed. He said so BEFORE, during and after.

He was the ONLY person who supported the resolution who also stood by their promise to challenge Bush IF he decided to invade when weapon inspections were working.

Hillary and others did NOT, and would not stand with Kerry against Bush's DECISION to invade - in fact, HRC and most others sided with Bush's decision to invade.


I'm sorry you didn't bother to stay with the truth in 2004 and let the media dictate your beliefs...as they apparently still do since you chose to promote their spin in your post.

You don't use an HONORABLE man like Kerry to even pretend he's anything like a lying Bushprotector like Clinton.

[hedgehog]

12. Regardless of where Kerry stood, my point is about perception

rather than reality. I don't remember Kerry taking a strong anti-war stance in 2004. I don't think we stand much of a chance against McCain in the fall unless we run a candidate that people believe will get us all the way out of Iraq ASAP. Without such a candidate, we will lose to McCain not because people will vote for McCain but because so many people won't bother to vote. I happen to believe that Obama will get us out but Hillary will fool around trying to "win" first.

[blm]

15. You don't remember it - and I DO REMEMBER IT WELL, because I am not a vessel of the media

who was deliberating spinning Kerry's positions as if they were confusing in their efforts to protect Bush.

Tough for our country that it worked on too many Dems who now think it is their DUTY to promote the media 'perception' as if it was fact.

[MessiahRp]

13. blm, as usual, is 100% right

Kerry was against the war. He voted for the IWR but gave probably the best speech during it explaining that his vote was based on the premise that it was the last resort, that inspectors would be allowed to finish their jobs and that Bush would go back to the U.N. as promised. There was no equivocating his intentions with what Bush ended up doing as he made it perfectly clear where he stood.

Rp

[sandnsea]

14. Yeah, he had a plan to get out in 2005

Hillary wanted to "stay the course".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. The failing economy paying for a failed war will get us out of Iraq.

Even should, God forbid, McNutbird gets it, wars are expensive and the country is rapidly running out of money to pay for such voyages into colonialism.