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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:02 PM
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Why is the Right Wing pushing for Hillary?
Ever wonder why the loonies on the right are coming out in force for Hillary?

David Schuster of MSNBC said on air the other day when he was filling in for Schultz that he has a friend at the RNC that told him they can't wait for Hillary to win because they have BAGS and BAGS of dirt on her. They are desperate to use it in the GE.If she manages to CHEAT her way to the GE then we are doomed to 4 years of McSame.

I guess her "vetting" isn't complete.

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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:03 PM
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1. Shitbirds of a feather perhaps?
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:15 PM
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17. Too funny...n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:04 PM
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2. I believe about the bags and bags of dirt; they've known for years
she was going to run. Obama has thrown a wrench in the rethug plans. Too bad Clinton doesn't care about any of that.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:04 PM
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3. They want to creamate her with dirt or - because she's actually one of them
as evidenced by her Rovian campaign tactics.

I guess the former than the latter.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:52 PM
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35. I think it is a little of both
On the one hand they think they can clobber her, on the other hand, if the Man has resigned himself to the fact that the Republicans aren't going to get close enough to cheat this time, obviously they would rather have someone they know will play ball.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:04 PM
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4. I thought they were being silent
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:12 PM
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14. Silent?
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:05 PM
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5. Continuing to prop her up creates chaos for the Democratic Party
As is evident
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:05 PM
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6. Oh, PLEASE. She couldn't have amassed bags and bags of dirt on her since the last
inquisition. Just ask David Brock. But where one unsavory lawsuit filing "I swear BO is on the d-low" shit, along with Rezko, there will MUCH more to come. And that doesn't even count for Rev Wright.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:11 PM
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13. Time didn't freeze in the year 2000, dear.
Since then Bill - and since you Hillbots are so fond of guilt-by-association you can now experience it turned on your candidate - has been doing all manner of shady things with all kinds of questionable characters. And that's not even getting into his widely rumored "zipper escapades". Did you hear how they had to put old Bill on a "woman diet" this past year? A woman diet. Isn't that just lovely.

That's just a start of the dirt they have on Bill.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:15 PM
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61. Is that no women at all, or only low-fat women?
:hide:
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:06 PM
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7. she is easier for them to defeat, and they are plain terrified of an obama presidency.
:hi:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:24 PM
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26. An Obama presidency is the republican leaderships nightmare
the funny thing is that for the base of the republican party Hillary is as the president s their nightmare. Funny how a parties leadership can be so out of touch with their base.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:06 PM
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8. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN BEAT HER...Jesus, isn't it obvious?
Oh, I'm sorry. It isn't obvious to those who blindly support her. Those of lowly intelligence and given to suggestion.

J
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:59 PM
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37. Then Why Does She Outpoll Obama Against McSame, Einstein?
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:00 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:01 PM
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38. Tumbleweed
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:16 PM
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64. Some of us actually have jobs and don't breastfeed continuously from DU.
Her poll numbers in aggregate have consistently been lower than the Repuke candidate de jour.

Her likability numbers have DECLINED, not increased. You are talking head-to-head recent polls, but what matters for a general election are a candidate's negatives (or lack thereof).

J
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:15 PM
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40. Ask President Dukakis
how much those polls were worth to him.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:20 PM
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41. God Bless Michael Dukakis But Hillary Craps Bigger Ones Than Him
Dukakis wasn't a fighter... That's what the Clintons live for..
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:26 PM
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44. I thought you were talking about poll numbers
Feel free to change the subject though. Very Clintonian.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM
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52. See Post Forty Nine, Perry
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM
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46. So you abandoned your argument that quickly?
You were pretty confident there for a second with that idea about the polling.

She's a FIGHTER!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:35 PM
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49. Polls Are A Mere Snapshot
But, yes, as of today, she's kicking McSame's ass...

And Newton's First Law applies:

"An object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force."
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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54. because she's getting a pass right now and Obama's getting hammered on a daily basis
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:39 PM
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63. The polls are an extension of the MSM
The polls that aren't show her to have the highest negatives. Which should she somehow be able to test in the GE would be compounded by the crap the RNC has up its sleeve.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 AM
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73. You know polls change not only everyday but every evening
Edited on Fri May-02-08 04:55 AM by democracy1st
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:07 PM
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9. they perceive her as "beatable" or else she is aligned with their goals
or both. If she is the nominee, its win/win for them: either they easily defeat her, or they simply pull her strings if she wins.

remember, the exact same corporations run both HRC and McCain (and Lieberman, for the matter)
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:20 PM
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22. She prays with them, that alone is scary.
WTF is that all about?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:21 PM
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24. are they underneath a giant stone owl in a redwood forest when doing so?
:)
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:07 PM
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10. Because it doesn't matter to them whether she or McCain wins.
They're on the same team.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:09 PM
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11. Same reason they were pushing for Obama earlier. To create "chaos". nt
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:18 PM
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21. I haven't seen evidence of them ever pushing for Obama.
They are scared to death of him from all accounts.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:21 PM
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25. yes, actually, I'd also like to see link of rightwingers pushing for Obama
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:21 PM
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68. just off the top of my head, Bill Kristol, Britt Hume, and Chris Wallace have been fawning over O fo
for months.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:39 AM
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74. link?
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:01 AM
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71. Link here. There are lots more
“Obamacans,” as the campaign likes to call its Republican supporters, offer a variety of reasons for turning out for Obama, not the least of them a lack of interest in the Republican primary now that Sen. John McCain of Arizona has all but wrapped up his party’s nomination. Others say they genuinely think Obama is the best candidate for change.

But a significant proportion say they are temporarily backing Obama for strategic reasons. They plan to vote Republican in November, but for now, their goal is to try to make sure Clinton cannot win.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:40 AM
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75. um...that's voters. I was responding to someone talking about the media
but I can see the honest confusion.


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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:10 PM
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12. When the entirre Right wants someone they've detested, this should be a no brainer
They use her to win in November. How people don't see this is beyond me.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:15 PM
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Good point.
You would think it doesn't pass the smell test. I guess Hillary supporters have lost that sense, along with many others.

Welcome to DU.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:13 PM
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15. You need to direct your question to Clinton supporters. It's their candidate. n/t
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:16 PM
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18. They won't admit to the obvious.
And their math isn't up to snuff either if you ask me.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:15 PM
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16. It's simple....
Obama will end up with the most delegates. The SD that is left will be obligated to vote for Obama.....but if they don't for whatever reason and Hillary is nominated the democratic party will simply implode and we will be left with President McCain.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:17 PM
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19. Limbo Has Suspended Operation Chaos And Insanity Has Re-Started The Stop Hillary Express
They both now believe Obama might be the easier to defeat...
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:33 PM
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29. Suspended it my butt. Here....go buy a hat supporting it.
Right from his web site.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:57 PM
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36. You Are Right... I Am Technically Incorrect
Limbo has told his minions to await further instructions on who to vote for because he is waiting to see if Obama has been so damaged by the Reverend Wright brouhaha that he is unelectable...

And anyway I don't take it all that serious

and I always heed St.Teresa of Avila's admonition "that more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones."


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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:17 PM
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20. If Hillary was fully vetted than the voters would know
What a liar and deceitful person she and Bill are but we see the lies and deceit coming out in the campaign.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:20 PM
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23. Because they want to run against her. They know they can destroy her.
...it is screamingly obvious to all and sundry...except the rabid true-believers in their pant-suited Quenn..
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:27 PM
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27. scared of people making a change
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:31 PM
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28. That and they always win debates with triangulators.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:37 PM
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30. Joe Scarborough, made his name as a Clinton Hater
That's how he got on television in the first place, as a loud mouthed congressional wingnut who hated the Clintons. It is laughable now to hear him fawn over Hillary Clinton, almost with a straight face. The good news is, the average person has never heard of him, much less watched his show.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:44 PM
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31. Her interview with O'Leilly was gross too.
Here is a guy who was her worst nightmare having her on his show. If I'm her I wouldn't want to give the bastard the right time of day.

And no I didn't watch.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:45 PM
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56. He calls her his girlfriend
It's sickening. When she appeard on his show he kept mentioning how she was his girlfriend.:puke:
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:45 PM
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32. Bags and Bags is old and NEW dirt you better believe it.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:48 PM
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33. Simple
Right Wing, Hillary Inc., Bush Family, Faux News....all are people Coporate America can count on...


Barack is an unknown and scares the shit out of them and their power structure...


They want to "keep it in the family", and McWobble or Hillary INC. will ensure the status quo stays the same.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:51 PM
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34. Gosh, golly, I wonder why.
It's not like Limbaugh and every RW slug haven't been trumpeting their plan all over the place.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:02 PM
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39. Sincere, disaffected GOP have gone for Obama... Her core GOP base are Right-wingers
who want to undermine the democratic process. The people who excoriated her and vilified her for years up until Obama out-campaigned her should be trusted? They are gaming Clinton supporters. The media is feeding the lie that she's been fully vetted. Their are things that are not in the public square and Obama wisely won't go there even while she trashes him for winning the nomination.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:48 PM
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57. I believe you. The "sincere, disaffected GOP" are not the usual GOP sheep;
I know several of them. I also know some people (PA) who registered R just to vote for her at the urging of a local talk show Limbaugh-wannabe slob on KDKA.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:21 PM
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42. been saying for weeks that biggest myth in campaign is the "Hillary is vetted" meme.
If David Schuster's heard about "bags & bags of dirt", then you know that Dean, Pelosi & Reid have as well.

Thanks for posting!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:24 PM
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43. Cause they know:
- She is viewed the most negatively of the candidates.

- She is viewed as more untrustworthy by most voters.

- She has, as was said, bags and bags of dirt just waiting to be aired.

- She voted for the war, backed up their lies, and so doesn't provide much contrast vs. McCain on Iraq (a HUGE issue).

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:26 PM
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45. I believe this most strongly
They've had 16 years to gather crap on Hillary. They may be acting buddy buddy with her but, they've spent millions to destroy Hillary and they don't mean for that money to go to waste. Either that or He's done some mighty behind the scenes sucking up to the major players of that movement, sold her soul to them so she could be preznit.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:28 PM
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47. It's not rocket science people - they want her because she's unelectable.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM
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48. Her "negatives" in polls are high. She will turn off young people and African-American
voters if she gets the nomination using her sliming campaigning.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:37 PM
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51. And, more that a few of us old geezers, too.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:43 PM
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55. I hope there are a lot more of us geezers. nt
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM
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53. Along with the rest of us who remember all the scandals from the 90's
Her husband was impeached, she alientated everyone, moderates hate her, the list goes on and on. She's unelectable.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:37 PM
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50. It's a win-win situtation
She's easier to beat than Obama, and even if she wins, they can control her via her DLC ties.

:headbang:
rocknation
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:11 PM
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58. because she represents the status quo, which is extremely right wing . . .
if you haven't noticed, you're not paying sufficient attention . . .
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:14 PM
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59. Of course. She's McCain's only chance.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:15 PM
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60. Two reasons: 1) Get out the idiot vote and 2) Hope
the idiot vote will save the Pubers from what is shaping up to be a Dem President and a super-majority in the Congress. It will probably work.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:23 PM
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62. So they can knock her off if she wins the Nomination. Endless pix of Bill hugging Monica
23/7 and surfacing reports of what new revelation Jennifer Flowers will have. They can't wait to dredge it all up. There's not enough left on Obama for them to go after. They get bored and there's just so much footage stored away on the Clintons they can't contain their glee at being able to take Summer Vacation while it all runs on auto-play. :shrug:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:18 PM
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65. Of course. nt
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:37 PM
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66. Or they are playing you
and other democratic leaning voters by both promoting her while at the same time saying they have stuff to use against her if she wins the nomination.
Besides the longer they can distract the public and news media attention from looking closing at McCain the better they figure so why not feed the flames as it were so the democrats keep on doing what they are doing which is taking their eye off McCain.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:19 PM
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67. sorry; you've been misinformed. the RW has been giving Obama a pass since day one. nt
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:22 PM
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69. Because she is a CONSERVATIVE
When will everyone just accept that?
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:33 PM
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70. I saw the bumper sticker today for the first time. It said "Anybody but Hilary 08"
I think it all comes down to this...
The Republicans know that they will not be able to unite their party to get out and vote for McCain but, they believe, they will be able to unite the party to get out and vote against another Clinton. They hate the name so much!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:07 AM
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72. She's their favorite chew-toy..and they have vaults full of old videos
and left over graphics...

and the party faithful will not come out to vote FOR McCain, but they would ford a raging river to vote AGAINST Hillary..and while they are out voting, they will then vote for asorted nutcase republicans on the ballot..
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