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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:56 AM
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Gallup today Clinton 49, Obama 45
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx
Obama had a really bad day in polling yesterday.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:59 AM
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1. Wow...
:woohoo:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:03 PM
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2. ouch. that's gonna sting.
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my2cent Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:04 PM
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3. go hill
:applause: :woohoo:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:05 PM
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4. Wow
He's going down faster than a you know what at a truck stop...
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:31 PM
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9. a Lil' Hilly?
Will the Nomination be decided by the Superdelegates or Gallup?

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:37 PM
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10. "Lil' Hily"
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
"Lil' Hily"


I'll see ya and raise ya

DELETED

I have already conceded that Obama will win the nomination because of the math...

I even have a theme song for his Fall campaign:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2w5kffJnq8

HeeHawHee
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:05 PM
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5. I'll admit, Clinton is benefiting from Obama's difficulties
And this is what most Obama supporters feared - that Clinton will assist in the attempt to detroy Obama, but that the nomination will still go to Obama, simply because of the math.

All Hillary has done is helped herself, not our party, not our country, and not the people.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:08 PM
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7. How Is Senator Clinton Responsible For The Reverend Wright Brouhaha?
Edited on Thu May-01-08 12:08 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
She was Arkansas First Lady when they began their friendship...
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Quintana-Jones Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:28 PM
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8. Hillary didn't say the government created AIDS
or any other incendiary comments that came from Wright, the true responsible one, along with the media which overhyped the whole thing.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:41 PM
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13. The Worst Thing He Said Was That Blacks And Whites Are Inherently Different
That's straight up Arthur Jensen and Charles Murray and Richard J. Herrnstein raicial theorizing tomfoolery...
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:40 PM
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12. Don't blame this on Hillary
This is all Obama's doings. He made all these choices that are haunting him now.
I won't bother to list those choices here. Pretty obvious, right?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:09 PM
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29. His "fringe" friendships got him into this mess.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:44 PM
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17. Obama did this to himself....
do not blame it on Hillary.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:46 PM
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20. The corporate media whores ran Wright 24/7
Thankfully, the SuperD's are showing the country that we're not buying into that fear mongering bullshit.

The MSM will not pick our president.

Another pothole along the road to Obama's eventual nomination!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:01 PM
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27. This is Karma -- For months, Obama benefitted from Hillary's bad press.
Obama has done very little to deserve all the negative press he is getting these days. But then, Hillary did very little to deserve all the negative press she got, either.

In both cases, damage has been done to them because the MSM wanted to hurt the presumed Democratic nominee, and because both Democrats' campaigns were trying trying to fan those negative flames.

The only real difference here is that the Hillary supporters know and knew that these kind of attacks were inevitable, and that she'd have to weather them as best she could. Obama supporters still seem to be surprised that ANYONE would not think their candidate is without sin and above all criticism.

We Hillary supporters TOLD them that was going to happen all along. When it was only Hillary in the MSM crosshairs, the Obama Camp enjoyed her discomfort, amd did not care what happened to her, so I personally have no sympathy for what BO is going through today. Comes with the job.

Hillary has already proved that she is tough enough to survive these unfair attacks and keep fighting. Is Obama tough enough?

We're about to find out.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:05 PM
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6. And a really good day with endorsements SDs are making endorsements left and right for Obama
45 states down and 7 to go. It's over people.

Here's another SD endorsement just put up on Obama's site.

Texas Superdelegate John Patrick Endorses Obama: 283 To Go
By Christopher Hass - May 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm EDT
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Texas superdelegate John Patrick endorsed Barack Obama today, citing his record of standing up for working families and opposing trade deals that fail to protect American workers. Patrick explained:

Senator Barack Obama has spent a lifetime standing up for American workers, and he will be a crucial voice for us in the White House. Senator Obama chose a career as an organizer on the streets of Chicago, fighting for working families who lost their jobs, specifically those families in neighborhoods devastated by steel plant closings. He has consistently opposed unfair trade deals that fail to offer protection to American workers - like NAFTA. Senator Obama has a real plan to put money back in the pockets of working families by restoring the manufacturing base in America.

Patrick is a Democratic National Committee member, a 31 year member of the United Steelworkers (USW) as well as a Vice President of the Texas AFL/CIO. The endorsement brings the total number of superdelegates to endorse Barack Obama to 249. Barack is now 283 delegates away from securing the Democratic nomination.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCSTQ/commentary
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:38 PM
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11. Wow.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:41 PM
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14. Obama is tanking.
Hillary is our only chance. Go Hillary! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:44 PM
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THIS is why she stayed in it.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:42 PM
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15. Barack
you have run too good of a campaign to falter down the stretch. Hobbling to the nomination won't look particularly great. You have got to change the narrative of this race and get off defense. Except for "snipergate", you've been on it ever since the OH-TX primaries.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:44 PM
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18. This Is Like Ali-Frazier One
Ali won the decision but Frazier was beaten to a pulp...

In full disclosure Ali's face was swollen from a devastating left hook that knocked him down in the fifteenth round...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM
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30. Ali lost Ali-Frazier One. He won the next two in the trilogy.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM by Seabiscuit
http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Frazier_Joe.html

And if there's any analogy to be drawn, I'd have to say that Hillary is Ali and Barack is Frazier.

Ali was the older and more experienced fighter. After a forced layoff due to his legal battles with the draft board for several years, he re-entered boxing to ultimately challenge Frazier, who'd won a box-off for the vacant title in Ali's absence.

Frazier shocked the world by being the first to (1) knock Ali down, and (2) beat him in a professional fight.

Barack shocked the world when he came out of nowhere to upset the seasoned Hillary in the primaries.

But just as Ali made comebacks in Ali-Frazier Two and Three, Hillary is beginning to regain traction (Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania) as Barack loses ground defending himself against all the media pounding about Jeremiah Wright. Round Three will be the convention, where it may just be a thoroughly exhausting fight, crippling both fighters as it was in Ali-Frazier Three. If the analogy holds, Hillary will eke out the win.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:14 PM
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32. I Am Getting Old... I Had It Ass Backwards
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
That's why the metaphor didn't make sense...

Frazier won the decision but he paid a high price...Both of his eyes were closed and he had to be hospitalized after the fight... Ali was unmarked except for a swollen jaw...Check the twenty nine second mark where he got it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hAhzhHUdps
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:21 PM
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34. Those three fights were some of the best in boxing history.
I still have them on videotape and watch them once in a while.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:28 PM
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35. I Listened To Those Fights On The Radio As A Kid...The Results Devastated Me
In the old days they would have round by round recaps...Frazier took an awful beating in the first and third fight...The second fight was pedestrian... Actually, Ali took a pretty good beating in the third one...

I remember listening to the Rumble In The Jungle on the radio... They actually lost the feed and then announced Ali had knocked out Foreman...It must have been about ten or eleven PM EST...I called many of my friends who had bet on Foreman...

God, those were heady days... My buddy and I used to imitate Ali and Cosell...

It's hard for me to be objective because Ali is one of my idols... Probably my number one idol...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:17 PM
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36. Ali will always be "The Greatest!"
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:23 PM by Seabiscuit
I don't imagine it's very easy to imitate either Ali or Cossell.

As great as the Ali-Frazier trilogy was, I still think of the Rumble In The Jungle as the greatest fight of all time. Everyone assumed Foreman would destroy Ali as he had destroyed Norton and Frazier before. Ali totally faked out Foreman with the "are you ready to dance"? routine, then inducing Foreman to punch himself out with that ingenious "rope-a-dope" strategy.

I was a freshman in college when Ali first shocked the world by taking the title from Sonny Liston. From that point on I followed every one of Ali's fights throughout his career, and was saddened at the end when he was so spent that he took a beating from his former sparring partner.

I even met him in NYC in 1969 near the Broadway & 50th Street subway station while his draft case was on appeal to the Supreme Court. He signed the back of a picture I had of my little sister when she was 11. There was a small crowd around him on the sidewalk (I think these were the days when he was acting in that Broadway play) and he haranged the crowd with lines like: "Don't give me any dollar bills to sign. I'll just keep them because I need the money. And don't give me any draft cards to sign: I'll burn them."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:06 PM
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28. The SuperDelegate Joe Andrews, DNC Chairman under bil clinton
just endorsed Obama with this statement..

<snip>

"This has got to come to an end," former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joe Andrew told reporters in his hometown of Indianapolis just days before Tuesday's crucial state primary. He said he planned to call all the other superdelegates he knows and encourage them to back Obama.

Bill Clinton appointed Andrew chairman of the DNC in 1999, and he led the party through the disputed 2000 presidential race before stepping down in 2001. Andrew endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton last year on the day she declared her candidacy for the White House.

<snip>

He has shown such mettle under fire," Andrew said in the interview. "The Jeremiah Wright controversy just reconfirmed for me, just as the gas tax controversy confirmed for me, that he is the right candidate for our party."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_on_el_pr/superdelegates
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:44 PM
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16. Four percentage point Clinton advantage polling is *not statistical significant.*
:eyes: None the less, it's not surprising that his numbers have temporarily dipped. In that, Obama's coming off of another M$M manufactured "hit job" while "The Goddess of Alcohol Abuse and M.E. Obliteration" continues to enjoy free reign over all things political.

Obama will come out of this "just fine" regardless of fighting HRC, Bill, 12 y.o. Princess Chelsea (no press interviews of the child!), the GOP and the entire Corporate M$M ... IMO, it is truly nothing short of "GOD'S GRACE" that Obama's still standing. This middle aged white woman is with him ALL THE WAY!

We knew when we "signed on" against all the power players and special interests in D.C. that it would not be easy.

May I suggest dear fellow Obama Supporters: One day at a time. :grouphug: :hi:

Go Obama! :patriot:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:47 PM
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21. I Liked You Better When Took That Hiatus
I liked you better when you took that hiatus after saying Hillary Clinton engineered the traffic acident where the Texas motorcycle policeman was killed...

We have short memories...


:(
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:48 PM
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23. ******upward tread for the lady*****
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:48 PM
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24. Yep, What ShortynFiery said. n/t
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:52 PM
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26. They are so excited about a four percentage point
advantage: tells me what I need to know right there. Meanwhile Obama is racking in the super D's and one of Hillary's SD's went to Obama. This poll does not change the math, this thing is over. Obama is closing the Super D gap now down to 15. I say hooray for that four point advantage because that is all they got and it won't even last long. The battle is pretty much over.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM
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31. Obama Will Most Likely Get The Nomination
You miss the point...He's limping to the finish line...The Obama brand name is in tatters...
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:46 PM
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19. There has been a shift. No question.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:48 PM
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22. woot!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:52 PM
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25. RISE HILLARY RISE as Maya would say~~~
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:17 PM
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33. Hard to believe ... but if true a nice lift for Hillary. /nt
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