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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:27 PM
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GOP brother in GA (trucker, small home, no 401k, no insurance, no stocks) sent me an urgent email
It was a chain letter about Obama's plan to raise capital gains taxes.

His add on message asked me how I could ever vote for Obama knowing about this capital gains issue.
Knowing him and his family, that is the LAST thing he needs to worry about!! His medical bills keep him strapped for money every month!

(and at the end of the message, he says he prays for me to vote for McCain)

I need to have a serious talk with him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:31 PM
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1. does he even know what a capital gains tax is ? (not trying to be snarky(
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:32 PM
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You would think as a trucker
he'd be more worried about gas prices that might put him out of a job. I assume he voted for Bush. Ask him how that worked out.
I just don't get working class and poor Republicans.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:33 PM
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6. Major Bush supporter
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:36 PM
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11. Still?
If so, you should probably stick to sports and the weather.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:32 PM
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2. I know that blood is blood, but I would ask if hasn't
gotten it yet after 8 years, it is not worth explaining.:shrug: (Say it kindly though):hi:
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:33 PM
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3. Probably not...he just forwards these RW emails.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:49 PM
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17. my brother does that too
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 04:52 PM by hfojvt
and I usually "reply all" with a strong rebuttal when he does. For example, does your brother know that in 2005, 50% of the benefits of the capital gains and dividend tax cut went to people making over $2,000,000 a year? And that the average benefit for taxpayers making less than $50,000 a year from this tax cut was just $186? Edit: and also that 90% of taxpayers making less than $50,000 a year received NO benefit from this tax cut.

Check out the top post in my journal for stats on this. I bet his chain email is full of lies and distorted statistics. I would like to see my stats get put into a chain email. I think I am gonna write one.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:33 PM
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4. Does he complain about the "death tax," too?
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:33 PM
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5. He probably loses sleep at night over the "death tax", too
People who forward stuff like that have been brainwashed. You could try reasoning with him, but you'd probably be wasting your time.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:48 PM
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16. You would be SURPRISED at how many people don't understand the
"death tax"! I had a conversation 2 weeks ago with a relative in Pa. She is 54, and one of her inlaws is getting quite old and her health is deteriorating. She was telling me about the day she took this lady to an attorney's office to redo her will after her husband died. At the end of the story she said something like "Who knows how much of that inheritance will go to taxes! I wish they WOULD have gotten rid of that tax!" I explained to her that unless the estate was well over $1.5 Million, there would be NO Fed inheritance tax, she was shocked! Apparently she was all worried and the actual estate is around $250,000.

My guess is the gentleman we are talking about here is similarly knowledgable and ddoesn't know what Capital Gains taxes are. He just hears the word tax and assumes it affects him.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:34 PM
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7. Sounds like my fascist younger brother..
He has serious health issues and no insurance. He's buried in bills and begging everyone in the family for money.

He always votes fascist and against his own best interests. He's a racist little dip-shit too. :shrug:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:55 PM
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26. sometimes that is just a comforter
somehow, deep down, we all know we're dust in the wind, if you will, and...it aint fair, as it's impossible not to feel the entire universe revolves around ME, not you, nor the frickin guvner, but ME!...
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:13 PM
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33. off topic
saw your avatar earlier today and thought it was an abstract art graphic of some kind of flower...now I see what it is. duh:dunce:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:01 PM
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41. Heh!....Check it out....
Here's a larger version. Unfortunately it's a little out of focus.

Purple Mazari Kush.

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:38 PM
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42. the crystals are what causes focus problems
:rofl:

pretty colors, man
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:34 PM
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8. My Mom fell for the same thing
I had to explain to her that she isn't in the "investor" class. :(
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:35 PM
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9. McCain himself doesn't seem to know that you don't pay cap gains on stocks in your 401K!
McCain was talking about folks who have retirement accounts being hit by an increase in the capital gains tax. It's bad either way for McCain--either it's willful ignorance or calculated lies.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:35 PM
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10. It's like my neighbor when I lived in rural NH
He used to go on and on about the EPA and how we need to get the EPA off our back. There was no way in hell that this guy's life intersected with the EPA in any way, shape, or form -- guaranteed.

There was another guy who had his truck plastered with "Don't send my job to Mexico" stickers. He was a local firefighter.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:40 PM
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12. LOL.
:rofl:

Imagine the hose.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:50 PM
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19. oh man.... too much funny....
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:15 PM
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34. ...
:spray: :rofl:
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:43 PM
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13. We need to come up with some chain letters of our own
to respond to this kind of thing in clear, plain language.

It should be a crime to swindle people into voting against their own interests.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:51 PM
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20. I like that idea
Maybe a chain letter about McCain's private jet, or 100 years in Iraq, perhaps. I would be glad to pass it on.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:45 PM
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14. Those damn rePubes love their bull shit chain mail.
What is sad is they believe every word that is sent out on them,,
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:47 PM
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15. if you're better off than he is, he might have sent it thinking that would convince you
I have right wing siblings, but they don't bother to send me stuff :D
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:54 PM
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25. good point - but he knows my sitch and ain't rich.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:50 PM
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18. Spending Billions On Iraq
is what concerns me. Does he know that those stimulus checks that were supposed to jump start the economy will now be spent on gas and the only economies that will be jump starting are members of OPEC.

Long drawn out wars drain economies. It's silly to think we're any different other countries throughout history, who have made the same mistakes.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:51 PM
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21. Re-vamp this and send it off to him
My dear Republican friends,
Posted by SoCalDem in Editorials & Other Articles
Sun Aug 15th 2004, 06:52 PM
Updated and reposted , upon request...


My dear Republican friends,


So, are you done being "played"??.... Have you "seen the light"??

Right about now, some of you must have noticed that your "boy" is tap dancing as fast as he can, yet he seems to be getting boos instead of rose garlands..

For over 30 years, you have been "played". The people to whom you have trusted your futures, and your children's, have let you down...again..

....These fat-cats at the top of your "party" know full well that some of you don't like "dark people", so they have carefully crafted language that you lap up with a "wink, wink, nod, nod". They have no intention of carrying through with their carefully couched plans to re-segregate and return to the "good ole days" that they pretend to long for.. They like the days NOW.. They are making tons of money by rotating in and out of industry and government.

....The republican-masters at the top of the heap, got that way because THEY control the taxes that they pay. They throw the peons a bone now and then, and let them think that they too are getting a tax break...finally.. But Look at those utility bills, your insurance co-pay, that college tuition bill, the grocery bill...look at the latest rent increase or the increase in property taxes.. That $10 extra every week in your paycheck doesn't BEGIN to cover the increases in the things you pay "hidden" taxes on. Roads are not free, power plants are not free,bridges are not free, city government is not free.. Taxes pay for these things, and when the revenues go down, the COSTS of those public services go UP. It's a fact of life.The extra money you were supposed to have , to help boost the economy, just ends up in another rich man's pocket...along with the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of tax cuts HE got.

....They know that some of you are truly religious, so they came up with a "bone" for you all too.. They ooze "faith" from each and every pore when they are talking to you all and asking for votes, but behind closed doors, they continue to cheat on their wives, abuse their kids, and do all the things that they profess to hate. True faith is more than carrying a Bible around, or saying "God Bless Anerica every time a microphone and camera are near. Faith is what you have in your heart, your soul...not what dangles from a shirt sleeve or drips off a lying tongue.


....They know how you all loathe the "welfare queens" ..Ronald Reagan told you all about them.. The ones with the fur coats and Cadillacs, out to collect their food stamps..She was a made up myth.. The real welfare queens are visible when the fat cats look in the mirror. They "rent" public land for pennies to graze their cattle...they take kickback subsidies for their corporations, and then they lay you and your friends off.. They tell you about all the wonderfully diabolical things they have in store for those "damned immigrants" , but they are the ones who offer jobs to them.. Why?? Because they know that the immigrants will be too afraid to dare ask for a raise, or bathrooms or decent wages, or health insurance..These workers get hurt on the job, and then have to go to emergency rooms. which raises the cost for all of us.. The reason they get hurt is because these same fat cats have bribed our legislators to "ease" the safety requirements on the job.. If they end up blind in one eye, it's no biggie to the bosses.. immigrants have TWO eyes..

....These same politicians know that if you ever got some truth , you might see through their lies, so they have made sure that the airwaves are chocked full of people who "sound reasonable", yet seem to always agree with only their ideas.. Didn't it ever strike you as odd, that no matter what time of day you turned on the radio for all those years, you rarely (if ever) heard an opposing opinion? These fat cats at the top, have tons of money, but they still needed to "push your buttons" and "ring your bells" to get you out to vote for them. They had to have a perpetual way to get your attention..and they needed to keep you "upset and angry" enough to turn out on election day.

About those buttons and bells:

....Abortion is always a bell they can ring, and their Pavlovian supporters start salivating. Whether your unknown-to-you neighbor has an abortion, or does not, should be of little consequence to you, but over the years, they and their preacher friends have somehow convinced a lot of you, that by inserting yourselves into the crotches of all women, you are endearing yourselves to God Almighty. Do you really think that you are getting "extra credit" for screeching epithets at women who may be entering a clinic for a pap smear, or that God will praise you for encouraging "physicicide"?
Ask yourselves , truthfully, if you would welcome the child of YOUR 13 year old who was raped..or would you just quietly call a doctor-friend, who would "help" in such a situation?

....Guns are always a fun issue for them too. They know that a lot of their supporters are gun aficionados, so they try to scare you into thinking that the next knock on your door will be Ted Kennedy coming to collect all your guns.. Cars are registered, and yet, unless you miss payments,no one is coming to take your car away from you. In case you haven't noticed, there are democrats who like guns too.

....School vouchers are another interesting wedge issue, since it hits on several of their "issues". "Upper-Crusty" Private schools probably see the government vouchers as valuable as toilet paper for their little scions who attend, but for the storefront Bible oriented schools, these are manna from heaven.Vouchers themselves are not the problem, as much as they are a clever way to funnel public tax money into private enterprises, while weakening the public schools that most people choose for their kids.. This should be an issue for you to be on the "other" side. Taking public money for private use seems like something that fiscal conservatives would be against. Somehow, they have managed to convince a bunch of you that with that $3,000 voucher in your hand, it's "next-stop-Exeter" for little Jim Bob , jr... What that voucher will do for you is allow other fat cats like Bill (the Gambler) Bennett to sell some of his software so he can hit Vegas in style..Neil (Asian girls have sex with him for free) Bush also is into the private school scams, so your vouchers help him pay his alimony and child support.

....School prayer is always good for a few hoots too. Every religious kid on earth has prayed in school, but organized prayer in school (unless it's a religious school) is NOT OK. This does not mean that God has no place in school. God can be in each student's heart and soul. Teacher-led or school sanctioned public prayer is NOT for public school, and deep down you know it. It's an interesting issue to drag out of the closet every election year.

The flip side of "your" issue is this... If Susie Jones can lead the Lord's Prayer, and all are expected to chime in, how will YOUR child feel when Mohamed leads the prayer from the Koran, or a Jewish child leads the prayer, or a Hindu child, or a Sikh child, or a Buddhist child? Will your child behave respectfully, or will they come home and after telling you, will YOU run to complain to the school board?? Like it or not, we ARE a pluralistic society, and the "new people" who have come here with their faith and customs, are allowed to have the same rights as you have.

....What if you found out that the two elderly "sisters" who have lived in your neighborhood for 30 years, are really not sisters? What if they had babysat for your kids, and you had invited them to Thanksgiving Dinner? What if you had liked them for all those years, and THEN you found out that they were gay? Does that make you a bad judge of character? Does that mean that somehow your children will "turn gay" because you found out about them? Will your marriage suddenly crumble to dust because someone you thought was an old maid, turned out to be a lesbian? Will they now expect you to "join them"?? or will they just be what they have always been...your neighbors. Ask yourself about your own children.. What would you really do if your own child was gay? Would you disown a 12 year old who told you he thought he liked boys "in that way"?? Does that make you a bad parent for raising him "wrong"??

....That brings us to the "wacky environmentalists" and their "junk science". Have you ever wondered why so much energy , money and attention is paid to discredit scientists who have spent their lifetimes trying to figure out how to save lives and make our health better? Why WOULD that be?? Hmmmm ..Maybe it's because the tale they are telling us contradicts the corporate masters of your politicians who allow these same companies to pollute your water, air and soil. Is it OK for your baby to get "a little" mercury, arsenic,plutonium, or any other toxins out there?? Do you know what your baby's "upper limit" is regarding tolerance of toxins.?? The "slow" child at 5, may have been poisoned as a baby, and you will NEVER EVER get an answer.. Isn't it better to try whatever it takes, to eliminate ALL toxins from our food chain, and from our air and water?? How is that a BAD thing?? To hear Rush & the gang, one would think that people who legislate for money and corporations who are in it for the money, actually do have your best interests at heart.. Do they?? Is it worth your health or the lives of your children, if they are wrong?? If the environmentalists are wrong, all you get out of it is cleaner air, cleaner water, safer food.. That's a BAD thing??

....Last but not least , we have that "icky" war thing.. I know that most of you wrapped yourselves in the flag-cocoon with him, and probably thought that we did "need" to attack Iraq, but isn't it a shame that nothing has turned out the way he said they would.. Flag worship is NOT the same as Patriotism..True Patriotism is a mature love of country.. Patriots love their country, but they are grown up enough to support their country with full knowledge, that their country can make mistakes. Flag worshippers love their country like a jealous lover, ready always for vengeance and spite.

Soldiers keep dying, and we are no closer to the Iraqi Dream that they told you all about.. You know the one.. The one where they race alongside the Humvee, throwing kisses and flowers.. Here are a few facts.. There never were WMDs..(well there were, but those were the ones that his Daddy gave Saddam, and Clinton destroyed 99% of them, and the rest were rusted pieces of junk).. The only things thrown at the humvees were rocks and bombs.

Bush KNEW there were no WMDs.. He LIED.. You all jumped for joy when Clinton was coerced into a lie about sex, yet can so easily ignore a BIG FAT UGLY LIE that has gotten almost 1,000 soldiers, and untold Iraqis killed..Shame on you !..There were ZERO Iraqis on the planes that crashed into our buildings..ZERO..ZERO..

Do you really believe, deep down in your bones, that George W cares one iota about the welfare of the Iraqi people?? Of course he does not. It's about enriching his contractor friends, and his daddy, and of course, himself..when he leaves office. It's about the "Grand Plan"..the one where the US controls the world.. It's almost a James Bond-like fantasy, only it's NOT A MOVIE.. Real people are spilling real blood,thousands of them, and the end game is not one that he could have predicted. He failed to plan for what happens after the tanks, and choppers, and Humvees "won the war"..

The Iraqi people have been a civilization for thousands of years, and they are very capable of handling their own affairs. Lots of people around the world feel that OUR leader is a dangerous man. Should their feelings count for nothing?? If they had the military strength, what would happen if they decided to "remove" our leader? Would you take up arms against them?? Of course you would. This mis-adventure is turning out badly because it was unnecessary from the beginning.He was hell-bent to have his "war", even though he had a perfectly appropriate opportunity many years ago, but was too scared to go. He needed to be the wartime hunky president in a padded flight suit.. It's always about the photo-ops.

....If you sit down and play a game of "pretend" you will see the light.. Here's how you play.. Read any article and every time the word "Bush" appears, substitute "Clinton".. Do a "gut-check"..Tight, uneasy, angry, conflicted?..

You have been "played", but it's not hopeless. Imagine YOUR job out-sourced.. Imagine YOUR insurance gone... Imagine yourself homeless.. Imagine your own child stricken with a preventable cancer.. Imagine your own freedom ...gone.. It's almost there.. But there is still time..

No one is telling you that you MUST vote for Kerry, just that you take the time to think for yourself..analyze what you read.. Read foreign papers.. There is actually "news" in other places, and things that happen here DO affect them too.. They have a stake in what happens here..

It's called empathy.. Look it up.. It's helpful and it really does not cost that much.. The returns far outweigh the cost.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:55 PM
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27. ooo...love it - I will do that tonight.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:51 PM
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22. Tell him it's the latte liberals who'll be paying a bit extra
ask him if he thinks people who make profit without having to put in any of the sweat need their tax breaks extended.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:59 PM
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28. Funny - Obama could call it a "wine tax" - stick it to the liberals!
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 04:59 PM by cottonseed
I keep thinking, What's the Matter with Kansas could be the best book ever written on politics.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:52 PM
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23. I say, that boy's not right in the head!


Prior to talking to GOP relatives, it's a good idea to take a good size board and slap them upside the head, like Foghorn Leghorn does with the Barnyard Dog.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:52 PM
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24. Yeah, I have Rethug loving parents as well. They won't listen to any of my economic arguments.
Oh well, looks like your brother is going to help put himself out of business. Its sad when people won't vote for their own economic futures. McCain knows diddly squat about what to do on the economy.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:03 PM
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29. It's as if they don't know that reThugs have been running the economy in and out.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:04 PM
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30. The capital gains tax reduction helps the wealthy most, but an increase...
will be mostly felt by the middle class. It will also further paint the Democrats as the tax and spend party. It would be better to rescind the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:43 PM
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40. please explain
If cap gains are raised, the rich won't bless us with jobs? because people won't invest money and business won't have money to expand? People will invest money if they think they can make money no matter if the government skims 15% or 28% off their profits. What else are they going to do with it? Putting it in a bank will only see them taxed more and that money would in turn be invested anyway. Investing in foreign stocks will be taxed the same as domestic. Spending all their money instead of investing will just drive up demand for products or services that someone will have to provide, creating more jobs. I just don't get this argument.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:05 PM
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31. The Republicans have been steadily propagandizing people like him for 30+ years.
When was the last time we tried to reach people like that, aside from a speech or two during a campaign?
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:08 PM
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32. I keep getting those from an ex co-worker
I email back a link to Obama's website.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:19 PM
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35. send him this from the Fox interview transcipt:
OBAMA: Well, but what I’ve said is, I certainly would not raise it higher than it was under Ronald Reagan. But the fact is, is that I’m mindful that we’ve got to keep our capital gains tax to a point where we can actually get more revenue.

But that’s not something that’s going to affect the average person with a 401(k). When people start talking about how, well, there are millions of Americans who own stock, most of them own stock in 401(k)s that — where their taxes are deferred and they pay ordinary income taxes when they finally cash out.

And in terms of raising the payroll tax — raising the cap on the payroll tax, right now everybody who is making $102,000 or less pays 100 percent — a payroll tax on 100 percent of their income. There are about 3 to 4 percent of Americans who are above $102,000 in income every year.

So if you want to talk about who is middle class, me giving cuts to folks making, $60,000, $70,000 and potentially asking more from friends of mine like Warren Buffett, who I have no idea what he made last year, you know, that’s a debate I’m happy to have with John McCain.

Because it’s the people making $75,000, $50,000, $60,000 who are hurting. And when John McCain promises tax cuts to corporations that are not paid for, then what we are doing is loading up this nation with debt and if we’re not paying for it now, our kids and our grandkids are going to have to pay for it and I think that’s objectionable.
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:40 PM
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36. Another point about the abortion issue:
They all thought that, by having a Repub Congress and a Repub president who would appoint very special people to the supreme court such as Saclito, Roberts, would result in overturning Roe v Wade. Well, we're into year 8 of their wet dream. As far as I can tell, Roe v. Wade is still standing. They never had any intention of overturning it. They just used that as a carrot on the stick for the less bright among us who consider it their job to tell the rest of us who to sleep with, that information about birth control cannot be given to anyone who isn't an "adult" and dutifully married (they'd rather teach abstinence, which works not at all, BTW), and then tell those of us who have a birth control failure and become pregnant that we must carry that pregnancy to term, even though it might result in having to quit a job and go on welfare to take care of the new child because my 14-year-old is old enough to work now, and I can't ask her to work, go to school, AND baby sit so I can continue to work. (This really happened to me. I couldn't sacrifice my teenager's right to have her own life, schooling, job, and require her to care for my "mistake." She had first claim on "right to life" at our house.) The right-to-lifers sure talk a good line, but they don't exactly line up to help out those who have an unintended pregnancy--just insist they carry to term and then it's by-by and good luck. There. I got that off my chest.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:45 PM
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37. a note on 401k's
We need to state often and loudly that capital gains tax has no bearing on how 401k's and IRAs are taxed - NONE!!! Republicans are trotting out this line that cap gains tax hurts over 100 million Americans that have 401k's and they either have to know that is utter bullsh*t or they are too dumb to be in power. This line of debate can and must be defeated.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:49 PM
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39. Amen to that.
This is turning into Death Tax 2.0. I still find myself having to explain to people that, no, the 50K they want to leave to their grandkids is not going to be taxed at 50%.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:47 PM
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38. My opinion is that alot folks like your brother like to think of themselves as
"in the rich folks club". They just haven't come up with membership fees yet. If they are on the same side as those who have some money, then they are that much closer to actually having it themselves.
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JustinL Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:25 PM
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43. another point about the capital gains tax, re. home sales
When a single person sells their primary residence, the first $250,000 of gain is non-taxable. With a married couple, the first $500,000 is non-taxable. (irs.gov)
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