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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:39 PM
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McAuliffe's threats to MI in 04 make ABC News...they should have read DU last year.
Daily Kos discovered this yesterday, and now all the bloggers are agog at the fact that Terry McAuliffe as chairman threatened that Michigan would not get near Boston. They are acting like it is some deep secret they discovered.

Hell, we have been talking about it since 2007. Pay attention, folks, good research goes on at Democratic Underground.

I must admit Jake Tapper at ABC covers it well today.

Clinton Campaign Chair Threatened to Strip Michigan of Delegates in 2004

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has staked her path to the Democratic nomination on the officially illegitimate contests held in Michigan and Florida somehow being recognized, in opposition to Democratic National Committee rules.

What's so remarkable about this is that two of the Clinton campaign's most important strategists have in the past taken the stand that these states should abide by the DNC's instructions -- even if that meant stripping them of their delegates.

In direct contrast to the positions they hold now.


Senior strategist Harold Ickes as a DNC Rules Committee member in 2007 voted -- along with the other 11 Clinton supporters on the 30-member committee -- to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates as punishment for disobeying the DNC primary calendar schedule.

Ickes now is a leader of the "count Michigan and Florida" rhetoric coming from the Clinton campaign, despite his previous position.

Now comes this curious find, on Daily Kos. It turns out that irrepressible Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe once -- when he was DNC chairman -- threatened to strip Michigan of delegates if that state's Democrats carried out their long-time goal of disobeying the DNC calendar.


And guess what? Nobody yelled at Terry. Nobody went on the news and said he was hurting the party. Nobody paid any attention at all.

Hell, nobody threatened to sue him either

But they are suing Howard Dean's butt all over the place for enforcing the party rules. Bill Nelson, Vic Dimaio, maybe more to come. Dimaio is now going to sue the DNC for discriminating against white people in Florida. Chew on that a while.

Where are the bloggers? Nowhere. Silent. None of them have been really taking up for Dean for enforcing the rules while the Clinton campaign has been trying to bring him down, crash his fundraising, and even send people on TV to demand he be fired.

Heck, we even talked here last year about the deal McAuliffe made with Carl Levin

"The panel, which carried the unwieldy name of Commission on Presidential Nomination Timing and Scheduling, made two sets of recommendations, one dealing with the opening phase of the nominating calendar and the other with the later phases.

The commission came into existence as part of a bargain between former DNC chairman Terence R. McAuliffe and Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.). Levin has long agitated against what he calls the privileged position of Iowa and New Hampshire, which hold the first caucus and first primary every four years. During the 2004 presidential campaign cycle, McAuliffe bought peace with Levin by promising to appoint a commission after the election if the senator would agree not to try to blow up the calendar for that year.


Oops, Hillary, that is the commission that helped make the rules you are wanting to break now.

I was reminded of something Joan Vennochi wrote in 2005. It was about how the Democrats were all piling on Howard Dean every time he spoke up against the Republicans. She reminded them he was not their enemy.

Dean Isn't the Problem

DEMOCRATS ARE running against Howard Dean instead of George W. Bush and the GOP -- or, better yet, running for principles that matter to the country. It makes little sense, unless the intent is to destroy what's left of their shell of a political party.

Dean, the head of the Democratic National Committee, is under attack by fellow Democrats who are allegedly upset at his partisan rhetoric. Critics such as Senators Joseph Biden of Delaware and former senator John Edwards of North Carolina are taking their shots at Dean, just as if they were sitting next to him during a debate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, or Manchester, N.H. They sound like they are positioning themselves for a future presidential campaign rather than working together to rebuild a party with a message for the future.

How shocking: Dean said, ''I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for" and defined the political landscape as ''a struggle between good and evil." Is that any worse than the comment by Harry Reid, the Democrats' Senate leader, who said of Bush, ''I think this guy is a loser." (Reid later apologized.) Is it worse than Senator Hillary Clinton of New York saying: ''There has never been an administration, I don't believe, in our history more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda."

During the 2004 presidential campaign, Dean's predecessor, Terry McAuliffe, was famous for personal attacks against President Bush. He described Bush as being AWOL, or absent without leave, during his stint in the National Guard and declared that ''George Bush continually lies."

But Democrats never cared what McAuliffe said; all that mattered was the money he raised, compliments of his vaunted schmoozing skills. Now a few hot-shot donors are upset that Dean isn't stroking them as constantly as McAuliffe, and suddenly he's a failure.
According to a recent report in ''The Hill," during the first three months of this year, the DNC raised $14.1 million, ahead of the pace McAuliffe set in 2001. Dean is focusing on fund-raising in small increments through the Internet, as he did during his 2004 presidential bid, which revolutionized presidential campaign fund-raising. That's the big picture Democrats should focus on. Broadening the donor base from the bottom up is good for the Democratic Party.


She ended with statement urging Democrats to stand up for something.

She said "If Democrats in Congress did their job, Dean would be the chorus. Now he's the whole act. Dean's fellow Democrats would rather boo him than themselves.

It is deja vu all over again in 2008. It is getting very obvious that we are about set to go one of two ways....the way of the people of the party or the way of the corporate donors Terry did so well courting.






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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:49 PM
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1. McAullife was RESPONSIBLE for correcting voting issues from 2000-2004, yet...
He was AWOL.

Makes you wonder what the Clinton's and their 'friends' were up to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5670559
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:56 PM
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10. Yes, it does make one wonder.
:hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:50 PM
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2. When I was on that story I used YOUR JOURNAL with the links for the story, mf.
I always knew the link would be there when I needed to combat yet another lie from TeamClinton.

You have been a great service to the internet on this issue, imo.

Salute.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:53 PM
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3. I don't usually care, but the bloggers have been AWOL on this...
and I am pissed. Some of them KNOW I have been writing about it...but until it benefited them...they let it alone.

And blm...do NOT get me started on the complicit Florida bloggers. They have gone along with it all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:59 PM
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4. Well...us folks at DU know it. Cripe, how many times did it get posted here, anyway?
THAT sort of repetition is what carries the truth forward.

Diligence is the key....and screw the critics who get uncomfortable with the drumbeat of truth. They certainly aren't adverse to the constant drumbeat of LIES are they?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:10 PM
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5. I am very angry with the FL bloggers, and with the uninformed people here.
The Democrats in Florida are used to the conservative Dems making all the decisions for them. Activists are not liked very much, and the voters pay no attention to truth.

I am speaking in generalities, but as a rule people here fall for everything. They are the ones Hillary is appealing to with trying to steal FL delegates under the guise of disenfranchisement.

I am very angry. The FL bloggers are well-organized, but they are close to the party here. Unfortunately except for a couple, they take the Clinton/FL Dem side on everything...right or wrong.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:12 PM
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6. DLC hypocrisy rears its ugly head yet again.
Michigan & Florida will not count. Terry McUseless even says so.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:13 PM
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7. I always find it amusing how many months/years the MSM and "major blogs" run behind DU.
This site has always been The Original Shit. :-)

Democratic Underground: Schooling the world since January 2001!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:28 PM
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8. I know. I will see things elsewhere and realize I knew it from here.
There is great research here overall. I plan to take more time to read the research forum on topics...I forget sometimes.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:43 AM
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12. exactly
that's why i've always come back, if you don't find it here, it didn't happen.

now it's taken up 50% by poo flinging, but i hope for the day again it'll be all positive.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:51 PM
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9. Now McAuliffe goes on TV and says the popular vote is the one to count.
A former chairman of the party should know that is not true. That is my gripe with the Clintons. They should the rules to fit their needs.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/hillary_adviser_terry_mcauliff.php

"Interviewed on MSNBC just now, Hillary top adviser Terry McAuliffe continued Camp Hillary's efforts to make the case that the pledged del count isn't the metric that should determine the winner of the Dem primary.

Asked directly whether the winner of the pledged del count should be seen as the winner of the primary, McAuliffe sidestepped the question, then said:

By the time we finish this process Hillary Clinton will have moved ahead in the popular vote.
McAuliffe added, unsurprisingly, that he was including Florida in his count. But even including Florida, this is an optimistic projection, to say the least.

Asked directly whether we should see the popular vote as a more important metric than the pledged del count, McAuliffe demurred -- reminding us again that the Hillary camp's main goal will be to obscure the idea that the Dem primary electorate rendered a clear verdict on who their choice as nominee is."


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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:57 PM
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11. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:45 AM
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13. Thanks.
:hi:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:01 AM
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14. K & R
:thumbsup:
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:30 AM
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15. K&R!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:41 AM
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16. It is good to see this coming out. People need to know
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:51 AM
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17. Our bloggers should have had it out last year.
There is a lot more about Fl and MI that our left bloggers just don't cover. I have watched someone I respect, Chris Bowers, spin and spin on this issue...yet it is like he never read a word Dean said or the DNC said at all.

Our left bloggers are way behind the right leaning ones in standing behind their party leaders.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:37 PM
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18. KICK
:kick:
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:58 PM
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19. the DLC has the same media advantage over the DNC
that republicans have over democrats in general. After all, it was largely the media that sabotaged Dean's candidacy to begin with. They know which side is buttered.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:58 PM
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20. You are a wealth of information and I
thank you for all the work you do in exposing the dlc people hell bent on destroying our party.

I am so happy the dlc tool, Art Torres, chair of CA Dem Party, is finally stepping down. Another year of him and CA would be a red state.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:41 AM
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28. I 2nd that
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:01 PM
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21. because the rules don't apply to HRC n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:27 PM
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22. McAuliffe said "this thing will be over on Feb. 5th"...right after they lost Iowa.
I don't know when Hillary made her remark that is on video, kind of off the cuff...but McAuliffe said it to reporters.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/108001

"As Hillary Clinton's top advisers tried to put a brave face on her thumping in Iowa five weeks ago, they buoyed themselves by looking forward to Super Duper Tuesday. "This thing will be over on Feb. 5," campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe assured reporters the day after Clinton's third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses. California, New York, New Jersey and other big Feb. 5 states were "Clinton Country," the thinking went. Once the media finished swooning over Barack Obama and voters took a harder look, Hillary would start raking in the delegates. Of the 2,025 delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination, some 1,700 are at stake on Feb. 5. But now that the fabled day has arrived, with Clinton and Obama all but tied in the polls, the Clinton camp is rolling out a new storyline. "The results are likely to be close and inconclusive," communications director Howard Wolfson said Monday. "Right now we are looking at a fight that will go on way beyond tomorrow."

Terry, when you are in a hole...just stop.
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:33 PM
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23. madfloridian you are a jewel.
We are entering the late stages of our democracy which will either transform itself and become more inclusive or be extinguished by the ruling elite. You have done and continue to do us all an invaluable service by exposing the elements who secretly despise 'we,the people'.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:53 PM
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26. "late stages of our democracy"
I am fearful of that as well. Isn't that a sad thought.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:44 PM
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24. It's very simple. Are we Republicans "lite" or are we DEMOCRATS
are we for the people and by the people or are we for and by the companies(just not so bad as the republicans)

It is time to take a stand.

drop the republican wannabes

WE ARE Democrats. Let's start representing the working people of this nation.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:51 PM
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25. Thank you for getting this out. Too bad it took so long. Another hypocrite.
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:42 PM
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27. Dang....
can't recommend posts that are over 24 hours old......

So- I'll just Kick it!!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:34 PM
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29. Terry also was one who decide to push the Wright issue.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352454,00.html

"HANNITY: That's not a shock to everybody. But here's what I want to — I think Bill and Hillary have made a legitimate claim that Barack Obama for the better part of a year has had almost zero scrutiny. I mean — and then when issues involving Reverend Wright, his "friendly" relationship with a guy that blew up the Pentagon and, et cetera, he's complaining, he is whining. I got to be honest. I think your campaign has a real, legitimate, you know, beef with the media.

MCAULIFFE: Well, listen, there's no question. But you know they ran — all these independent groups have come out and said it has been totally biased against Hillary. This is what I love about Hillary. She is not sitting around complaining. She gets out there and she fights every day. Why did we win Pennsylvania? Senator Obama was the leader.

HANNITY: Yes.

...."HANNITY: No, it's clear everybody wants this to go on. I — because I have less than two minutes. I want to go issue by issue.

The Reverend Wright issue, in your opinion, is a legitimate issue, correct?

MCAULIFFE: I agree with Speaker Gingrich. Anything that's been out in the public is fair game.

HANNITY: All right.

MCAULIFFE: Are you kidding me? Wait until the general election, Sean.

HANNITY: Wait until — yes, well, the Bill Ayers issue which we were on — just like the Wright issue.

MCAULIFFE: Yes.

HANNITY: ...we were on way ahead of anybody. You think that's a legitimate issue?

MCAULIFFE: I think everything is a legitimate issue. Hillary Clinton nothing's ever been taken off the table for her."
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