Don't Even Bother Reading This Thread. Don't Recommend It, You Will Not Like It, I Mean It

[McCamy Taylor]

I am just going to write this for myself. I do not want anyone to read this. Please do not kick it or recommend it. Please just let it sink.

Today, Rush Limbaugh announced the big plan to his listeners. I figured it out a long time ago, but the type of people who listen to Rush ain't too bright, if you know what I mean, so they have to have some one spell it out for them. Rush told his listeners, he was dreaming of riots in Denver.

If you go back and read my journals, you will see that I have been warning that the only way that Karl Rove can steal this presidential election is by using the formula that Pat Buchanan developed in 1972. Buchanan did it to give his boss a blow out victory. Rove will be happy with another squeaker. Artificially engineer a Chicago 1968, a fractured, divided brokered Democratic Convention. Starting early in 2007, I predicted the media lies that would be used against the major Democratic contenders. I predicted how the press would build up Barack Obama and attack Hillary Clinton and how they would switch and start doing the exact opposite the moment Obama passed her in delegate count. I have kept track of the divide and conquer dirty tricks that the right wing news media has played on the Democratic primary, most of which go something like "Hillary told a known associate of Karl Rove that Obama is a Muslim pass it on." The MSM has dutifully given each dirty trick wide coverage under guise of outing Hillary as a dirty trickster but also in order to portray Obama as quite possibly a Muslim. Now that Obama is the front runner, the MSM is attacking him in full force, and his supporters have been so conditioned to blame Hillary that it does not matter whom the messenger is---they just know that it is Clinton's fault.

General Discussion Primaries has threads about Vince Foster and Cattle Futures and Monica. The term "Clintonista" is now approved for DU use. The best strategy that the Democrats could use this fall---Democrats brought economic prosperity in the 90s---is heresy, because that would imply something good about Clinton.

On some other board, somewhere else, there are probably Clinton supporters posting equally vile things about Obama---with RNC moles beside them to egg them on, too. I don't know much about other boards, because this is the only one I read.

The issue of who is more oppressed---women or Blacks---has completely obscured the real point which is that both women and Blacks are oppressed because they are poor. In this country oppressed people are kept that way through lack of education and health care and job opportunities so that they can serve as a cheap pliable work force. And they best way to keep them oppressed is through Divide and Conquer.

This election is ours to win, but when I look around at Democratic Underground I do not see Democrats. I see people hating on old folks, young folks, women, Blacks, whites, men, Latinos, people with college degrees, people without them.

This is incredibly sad. Just a year and a half ago, Democratic anger was focused like light through a magnifying lens on the Bush administration and its criminal policies. I can not help thinking that if Congress had impeached, things would be better now. There is too much riding on this election. People feel too desperate. We all believe that we must select the best nominee or the Republicans will steal the election once again.

What we need to remember is that the nominee can not do it alone. The nominee can not do even a fraction of it. If the American people get out there and register and vote and agitate to make sure that the votes are counted and counted accurately (and this time it will be a Democratic Congress watching over the election) that is what is going to make the difference. We can win with a yellow dog if our hearts are strong and we understand that this country has to change if it is to survive.

That is why I am writing this but leaving it out of my journal, so that it can just sink away and be forgotten, and maybe this moment with all the fighting and bitterness and fear will be forgotten, too, and any day now we will all wake up and remember that we are Democrats and we are all in this together.

[Tom Rinaldo]

1. Yes. n/t

[izzie]

2. If we ever get to the real election

People did not have good thoughts about Clinton before she ran but they did about Obama but now that we are in the mud fighting we can almost be sure McCain will come out on top. The in fighting has become more important than getting into the no-over sight of the govt. and all those Bush people in every dept. of the govt. so that not much works any more. They have even messed up the coming counting of the people. I bet they have pasted that out to Halliburton. What a mess they have made and I swear I had hopes with a new group in the WH. So much for hopes if it goes on this way.

[rodeodance]

4. I disagree--Many people did have good thoughts about Hillary

before she ran. No need to broad brush the issue.



......"People did not have good thoughts about Clinton before she ran".........







This is a pic of President and Mrs. Clinton taken back when they first got their dog Seamus from WILDE GOOSE KENNELS. LINK

[Yes We Did]

32. You really are a work of art.

[Rockholm]

42. I have had just about enough of you.

It is people like YOU that are doing the crap that is being discussed. You need to stop being such a disruptor.

[emilyg]

57. Shame on you sh*t stirrer.

[KoKo]

35. Yes...they did...and there are still Millions of Americans voting for her...

who see something about her and the policies she's laid out that appeal to them. They are Democrats just like we on this Board are supposed to be to post here. Sometimes I feel that the "gates have been battered down" and the barbarians have gotten through, though. :eyes:

[JoFerret]

8. Stop already.

Move to higher ground.

[izzie]

14. That is my problem I always think people will vote for what is

best for the country. Looking back I do not think we always do even if we think we have. I do not think endless wars are good for building things but we have over and over voted for men who seem to like to solve problems with wars. I do like to think we are on high ground but are we? Look at what a mess we are making around the world. Just what is going on? I am up set with my own country. I want to get back to making life better for people and I do not see it

[TragedyandHope]

3. Sadly, we are living in Rove's world

It takes a concerted effort to move beyond everything he has imposed on our political process. We have to be strong, willing and conscious. Second guess everything before you post or say it. Ask yourself if you're playing into Rove's hands. It's not easy, but it is within our power.

[JoFerret]

9. Maybe all this transformation

is not the priority of many people. Maybe it is rather health coverage and jobs and housing and education and a way out of Iraq.


Save the transcendence for days of worship. leave the rest of us alone but get on with what matters - the economy, universal health coverage, social justice and an end to war.

[RichardRay]

17. Then there's the old saw about the definition of insanity...

Sometimes sourced to Ben Franklin, other times to Albert Einstein; I'll take either one.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I am very concerned about the economy, health coverage, social justice and ending the war. I don't think the same behavior that got us into those messes will get us out. Senator Clinton is a paragon of a political fighter of one kind, Senator Obama just may be something else. I'd like to see him have the opportunity to try doing something different.

If Senator Clinton gets the nod I am confident she'll use every bit of skill and resource she has to address the issues, I just think they will be the same skills and resources that have failed to address them successfully in the past.

[TragedyandHope]

22. Yes, that's exactly what we're working for!

That is the point of my post. The Rovian nonsense has nothing to do with solving the real problems facing the country. I'm glad we agree on what's important.

No one is working for change for its own sake. That's a ridiculous assertion. We are working to get a candidate and a President who will be ready to roll up his sleeves and actually work on fixing all the most pressing issues, as opposed to the "smoke and mirrors" and do-nothing lip-service of old politics as usual.

[Usrename]

45. We should just keep digging the hole deeper.

Maybe if we just had the right leadership we could torture our way back to peace and prosperity.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

[Leopolds Ghost]

5. Friends, Countrymen! We come not to bury McCamy's post but to bookmark it

And to kick it until its festering realities can't possibly be ignored even if you tried...

[boppers]

6. Clinton (or whoever is behind) bows out, game over.

That's how the GOP loses.

In some ways, it's in her hands to decide a democratic party loss, or win. She seems to prefer loss.

[scheming daemons]

10. Correct.

McCamy may be right about how this all started..... but only Hillary has it in her power to end it in a way that the Dems can win in November.

[juajen]

70. Yes, after all, don't women always sacrifice for the common good?

I don't think we can this time. Sorry, you cannot guilt us into letting our best chance to win the presidency in our history fade away. We will do our best to keep her going, as we believe with all our hearts that she is the superior candidate and that this is a history making opportunity for women.

[JAbuchan08]

24. I agree with the essence of the OP, but also with the substance of your post

for the most part Obama himself has avoided adding to the distractions of the press and GOP surrogates. Most, if not all, of his criticisms of the Clintons have been legitimate. I can't say the same of the Clintons.

Unfortunately it seems that Democrats are just too eager to co-operate with Republicans, whether it is John Edwards conspiring with Hillary Clinton to get rid of the "serious candidates" or Hillary Clinton adopting right-wing frames from Rush Limbaugh etc.

[debunkthelies]

41. Problem With Hillary

The problem with Hillary is that someone convinced her that one application of 'Rove-Bush Tactics' rinse and repeat will make her President.:evilgrin:

[Jakes Progress]

56. Oh, McCamy

Such insight. But how wasted are your efforts. Just look at the replies to post 6 here. They read what you say. it is clear. They even say they believe it. But then they cannot help themselves -- they gotta get Hillary.


In the last election Rove got all his people afraid of gays getting married. This time he got perfectly decent Democrats to get all wrapped up over Hillary. Then he got the other half pissed at Barack. Six months ago we were happy that we had two such wonderful candidates. Now because we Democrats are evidently no brighter than your average republican dim bulb, we let Rove do it to us again.

[zabet]

7. Bravo.

Well said.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. The term "Clintonista" is no more approved than "Obamaton"

And you don't have to look at "some other board" to find vile things about Obama. Did you happen to miss all of the "Obama is a Muslim!" posts yesterday and then the disingenuous "Obama supporters are racist! What's wrong with being a Muslim?" posts that followed?

Neither side is the victim here.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Excellent, thoughtful, MUCH-NEEDED post. EVERYONE MUST READ. Thank you, McCamy Taylor.

We gotta get back to being Democrats.

[AngryAmish]

13. The possibility of disunity is why we must crush our enemies

They have no no right to be in out party or nation. They must be crushed.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. You are soooooo right. And the hatespew between supporters here is purely Pavlovian

Conditioned responses. Thoughtfully thoughtless.

Yes, we were once united. But the powers that be don't want us that way. And so the agitate. And so our side gets divided. From within.

The vitriol is nothing shorty of disgusting. It is to the poiont that being a supporter of A and not B is cause for derision.

Amazing.

Just

Fucking

Amazing.

I hope the hatespewers are proud of their bad little selves.

[Straight Shooter]

16. "this time it will be a Democratic Congress watching over the election"

For some reason that gives me no sense of comfort whatsoever. :(

[SwampG8r]

18. then you must be for the GOP candidate

hillary

[Straight Shooter]

25. Jesus Christ on jumping purple pogo stick, but you're full of it. n/t

[Jakes Progress]

58. Troll

[FVZA_Colonel]

74. Obama supporters and Clinton supporters probably feel the same way.

I'm definetly for Obama, and while I don't mean to presupose I am guessing you support Clinton, and I think we can agree that with a congress as spineless as this one our guy and/or our girl are screwed.

[Beacool]

19. This is a wonderful post!!!!

The Democratic party is self immolating and I don't see a united party in the fall. Frankly, as much as Pelosi and many here don't want to hear about it, if we don't have these two candidates on the same ticket McCain will win. Hillary may have negatives, but so does Obama and I can give you a list in my sleep of what the right will do to him. They have become like Ying and Yang, interdependent since they both appeal to different demographics.

[cali]

20. self-promoting again.

and you're either blind to the stacks of crap that have been posted about Obama here or disingenuous. Obigot, Obama is a Muslim, Obama befriends American hating terrorists, etc. It's two sided, you're just so partisan you can't see it or ignore it. And this despite you're truly bizarre protestation about how you're really not a Clinton supporter.

[smiley_glad_hands]

31. My sentiments exactly. eom

[KoKo]

33. It's amazing the hostility you post with. Don't you know about the "Ignore" button on DU?

It works and would save you so much anger if you would just use it. Sheesh!

[King Coal]

43. I got after her earlier today for being uncivil, KoKo. She just can't be nice.

She will deny being snotty, while being snotty. I don't like to put people on ignore, but if she doesn't straighten up, I may have to. I hate rude behavior.

[KoKo]

51. It's rude behavior..thanks for calling it what it is...very simply...rude...n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. Post of the Day, Post of the Month, Post of the Year

Absolutely 100% dead spot on.

Brings home everything that needs to be said. Obama or Clinton, we all need to read this.

I know you say not to recommend this thread, but I must. So much crap gets recommended that is so unworthy of being recommended (which is the purpose behind my "Squirrel Award" campaign, and then you have insight like this. This must be read by each and every person on this board.

[Raffi Ella]

23. REC

thank you.

[Cheap_Trick]

26. It's why the GOP, Rush et al keep propping up Hillary

keep the divide going...and growing.

[cbayer]

27. I read it, recommended it and I liked it.

There is no doubt in my mind that the democratic party is being played.

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. Sorry. I'm not a good listener. K&R.

[DazedandConfused]

29. I like this section in particular.

This election is ours to win, but when I look around at Democratic Underground I do not see Democrats. I see people hating on old folks, young folks, women, Blacks, whites, men, Latinos, people with college degrees, people without them.


Not to mention that people shouldnt get too carried away over who is this far a head or this person should stand aside when only a fraction of Democrats have participated and it is virtually tied. Hillary may have more support out there, and Obama might have more support out there. To claim anyone has WON the nomination is just not correct.

[DWilliamsamh]

47. WTF are you talking about? yeah only a fraction....

Obama leads her in states won by 2:1 and delegate lead is such that she would have to win ALL the remaining races by 70% or more to catch him in pledged delegates. Math apparently is not your friend. What are you smoking and can I have some?

[smiley_glad_hands]

30. Coming from a Hill supporter, the pot calling the kettle black.

Again, why does Hill use repug frames against other dems? Hill is doing rush's dirty work for him btw.

On edit: Clintonista? How about cultist, obamabot......

[IndependentDem]

34. if any post deserves 1000 recs, this is it. thank you. n/t

[KoKo]

36. Wise Cautionary Advice, McCamy....thanks for reminding us...

and for keeping on trying to bring some perspective to this Forum...

[Indenturedebtor]

37. Good post

And too true. I will try really hard not to broadbrush Clinton supporters. Please forgive me for hating her though. She's done her best to add to the mess with her shameless tactics... that's why I hate her.

[Steely_Dan]

38. So, you actually...

mean to use the word "hate?" Do you really hate her? How about "I'm very disappointed?" Or..."I dislike her?" But 'hate?"

-P

[kimmerspixelated]

39. What archery!

But I'll follow orders and not kick-got a lot already!

[robertpaulsen]

40. McCamy Taylor, have you read The Shell Game by Steve Alten?

You might find this passage interesting. While the main characters in the book are fictional, the political backdrop of Peak Oil and false flag terrorist operations provides a setting where fictional politicians interact with real politicians. In this setting, the 2008 general election was won by a fictional Republican, though his last name, McKuin, sounds oddly familiar. The following exchange on page 133-134 is between Ace Futrell, a petroleum engineer and Jennifer Wienner, a former GOP political strategist, regarding the upcoming 2012 primaries:

(Ace Futrell) "What if one of the candidates, say, this Senator Mulligan, based his campaign on a radical plan to replace fossil fuels. Before you say no, imagine an economy based on clean energy. No dependence on the Middle East, no more war on terror. Eliminate oil from the equation, and you eliminate 90 percent of the causes for them hating the West. Think about how many Americans have died in Iraq."

(Jennifer Wienner) "Doesn't matter."

"Of course it matters. The public hates the war."

Jennifer shrugs. "Okay, Ace, if that's true, how did McKuin, a Republican, get elected after eight years of Bush and Cheney? By your logic, the Dems should have swept the 2008 elections just like they did in 2006. Didn't happen. Know why? Money and the Republican Media Message Machine."

"What? Limbaugh and those cable news stations?"

"They're part of it, yes. You begin with the message, something you can sell. Doesn't matter if it's true. Then you spend a billion dollars in ads hammering it into the American psyche. There were two major democratic challengers in '08, Hillary and Obama. Rove and his merry men fueled their attacks against one another in the primaries like the Reagan administration fueled the Iranians against the Iraqis in the 1980s. Divide and conquer - a brilliant play - and the blood between the two camps grew so bad that there was no way the Dems could heal the rift. The machine creates the message, the money fuels the media, and the media pounds it home every day until your mind subconsciously associates message with candidate. It's the Pavlov dog syndrome: ring the same bell over and over, and the swing voters eventually salivate."

Ace shakes his head. "So substance means nothing."

"Correct. Perceived substance, however, means everything. Take the invasion. Rove's primary mantra, besides WMDs, was that Iraqi oil would pay for the entire cost of the war. Andrew Natsios, the administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development, actually appeared on Nightline saying that invading Iraq would cost the American taxpayers a maximum of $1.7 billion. That same message and dollar amount was repeated, over and over, until even Congress believed it. Here we are, ten years later, and we just passed a trillion dollars in spending! Billions in cash were redirected to Sunni insurgent groups, Al-Qaeda among them. Who's accountable? Maintain power and the answer is no one. As long as you control the White House, even the worst indictments get washed clean through a presidential pardon."

This cautionary tale was published in 2007, but four months into this year we have yet to heed it's prescient warning. We've fallen into Rove's trap and my fear is that the personal nature of the attacks between the two camps will, as Alten describes, grow so bad that there will be no way to heal the rift. This has got to stop.

[Rockholm]

44. Excellent post. Thank You.

[Usrename]

46. I don't get you at all. Are you serious? WTF?

First, what's wrong with the term "Clintonista", and second, why are always being so devisive if you think that's our only weakness?

Why aren't you working to try and unite the party instead of trying to split it apart? Why won't you accept our nominee?

You cannot be serious with this garbage, can you?

[bluetrain]

62. lol, good one, Rove/Randi! You crack me up.

[lefty2000]

65. Please Explain How McCamy Taylor Can Unite The Party

What she is trying to do is put the blame where it belongs: with the Republicans. I don't see how her joining the dog pile on Hillary is going to make things better. In her view, it would just be abetting the trap set by Rove.

She may be right or she may be wrong about her interpretation of events, but I think she is sincere in what she is saying.

[Usrename]

66. Why would anyone jump on a dog pile to unite the party?

I don't doubt that she is sincere, either. I just don't understand the thinking. That's what I'm asking about.

Why isn't she supporting the party's choice of candidate? It seems to me that a refusal to support the party's choice is divisive.

It appears to be what the prophet Orwell referred to as doublethink.

[bluesbassman]

73. I'm sorry, did I miss the convention?

I've been working so hard to pay for the BFEE's $4.00 a gallon gas that I must have missed where the nominee was selected.:sarcasm:

BTW, when the nominee IS selected, that's who I will vote for.

[Usrename]

75. I think you missed reading the OP.

This has little to do with any convention, as far as I can tell.

[bluesbassman]

77. Oh, I read the OP.

My question to you is why are you discounting what the OP said, and demanding that the OP support your candidate?
FTR, the OP has indicated in past posts that whoever ends up as the party nominee that is the person who will get their vote. As far as I can tell neither candidate has yet achieved the nomination.

[Usrename]

78. Your question is total nonsense, just like the OP is nonsense.

My questions are about supporting the party's candidate, which should be clear to anyone paying attention.

Have I demanded anything from anyone? I don't think I have.

And if you cannot tell which candidate won, you really need to work on your arithmetic skills.

[Levgreee]

48. "On some other board, somewhere else, there are probably Clinton supporters posting equally vile

things about Obama"

What???!?!!? you don't have to look much farther, this has been going on here at DU/

[KoKo]

52. Might be...but this Web Site is not either Hillary Clinton.com or Obama.com..it's Dem Underground!

AND! there's a pile of "RULES" folks are supposed to read when they sign up...and before they post...and there are Moderators.

That this site has become a HAVEN for BARBARIANS of both Stripes who are infiltrating , with their Campaign Op's Stuff, and trying to promote HAVOC kind of goes against the purpose of this Board's founding.

But, then...we live in "interesting times."

[digidigido]

49. Excellent Post

When the candidates and their supporters tear each other apart, we lose. I won't get into my feelings about who does this more, it's not appropriate to this post, this is a unifying post.
It's what the party needs, and what the country needs. If the campaign is going to continue, it must in this way, two Democrats attacking John McCain, letting their different attributes
and character show why they should be chosen, and focusing on where the Republicans have taken us and the difference between a Republican and a Democrat, including the way they
conduct a campaign

[D23MIURG23]

50. I'm glad that I ignored your headline.

That was a worthwhile read.

[bluetrain]

53. It's been really saddening to me to see so many of our allies in years past fall for the right wing

hustle. Thanks for posting this.

[planetc]

54. What is this nonsense where the board is asking me whether I want to recommend?

It's a McCamy Taylor post. Of course I want to recommend.

Amen, amen, sister.

[varelse]

55. With a title like that, how could I resist...

"Don't Even Bother Reading This Thread" - this, of course, created an unstoppable urge to click on the thread, and then once I'd done that, I *had* to read it

"Don't Recommend It" - yeah, right! After reading the post, it was impossible *not* to recommend it

"You Will Not Like It, I Mean It" - you're right... I *loved* it.

:kick:

[BigBearJohn]

61. Resistance is futile.

[MoonRiver]

59. My opinion

is that we are now officially a banana republic. Used to be the Republics were the bad guys, now the Dem Party bosses have crossed on over to the dark side. At this stage I think it is all a gigantic media created fiasco.

K&R nevertheless :yourock:

[Jakes Progress]

60. Best Post Yet

I've been reading DU for a couple of years. Only signed up and posted recently. I got tired of how other sites had gone for the Rove bait. Then I came here and followed DU's descent into partisanship hell.


I think McCamy has given us a rope up from Karl Rove's pit. We might just have to consider that those who attack this idea are either neocon plants or just to dumb to bother with. Bush and his second coming, McCain, are the ones we need to be against. If you want to argue for your favorite candidate, do so. But do it on their merits not out of hate that the media sold you on.


I see two ways to crush Rove's plan. The Dream Ticket or the alternate ticket. I think it might work for both Hillary and Barack to return to the Senate where they can both improve their progressive voting records and where we need all the Democrats we can get. Have you noticed the emerging Gore backlash that is showing up on MSM and the Faux? I think Karl is worried that we might just get a Gore/Edwards ticket.

[Hippo_Tron]

63. I agree, except that Clinton supporters have said some ugly things about Obama on DU as well

Hamas-gate is equally as absurd as Vince Foster yet it has been repeated by Hillary supporters here on DU.

Otherwise I think you're right.

[Jakes Progress]

69. I think that was the point of the OP.

Both sides are guilty.


Plus, I don't think that the neocon plants would just be working the Obama side. They would be fanning the partisan fires from both sides.

[Vattel]

64. awesome post

I have nothing against "attacks" and "being negative," but only when it's fair.

[Catherine Vincent]

67. Just a couple of years ago, I would have never imagined

I would have never imagined all the hateful words said about a Democrat candidate on DU. Freerepublic and other right wing sites but not here. Maybe it could be said for two of ours...Lieberman and the guy that switched, can't think of his name (he challenged Matthews to a duel). And yes, plenty have been said about Obama also but it was said in retaliation to what was said about Hillary, imo. It started with a simple "anybody but Clinton", "Bush Clinton Bush Clinton" and "dynasty". It's much worse now. And the only excuse Obama supporters can say is that "she brought it on herself". :eyes:

I used to tell a few of my friends and relatives about DU and how it's a great Democratic site and all but no more, I don't even mention DU to anyone anymore. I am really embarrassed for GDP about now.

[liberal_rxstudent]

68. Excellent post!

It almost makes me want to cry...I read your posts whenever I come across them, and sometimes, I feel so discouraged whenever I see some of the disgruntled..no, bitter, 'Obama-but-ew-I-hate-Clinton' supporters who constantly attack your posts. Your posts are thoughtful and truthful. It is a shame that so many do not truly see what is right before their eyes-- your posts are definitely separate from some of the hateful crap that I have seen recently. I am glad to know that there are democrats like you posting on DU! Your veracity is appreciated!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

71. yes

[Frisbee]

72. Never thought I'd see it, but...

The Democrats have become a party of hatred. What's worse, we have come to hating each other as much as the ones who so richly deserve our hatred, the republicans, and more precisely, the bush administration. Come November, I'll be voting for the Democrat, whoever that may be, but I am confident that we have managed to run off hundreds of thousands if not millions of voters, and we may well loose what should have been an unlooseable election. I'd almost find it funny if it weren't for the fact that we have Iraq & Iran, the economy and most importantly, the environment staring us in the face. Oh well, four more years of republican rule and the human race may well face extinction some time in the next few hundred years (it may already be too late anyhow). I hope a well documented story of what was right about America and democracy as well as a thorough history of all that went so horribly wrong is somehow preserved so that a future society can learn from our mistakes. Oh, who am I kidding, some future asshole will read it and learn from Karl Rove, and history will repeat itself. OK, maybe I've had 1 or 2 too many beers. Or maybe we're screwed. When we can screw up something so good staring us in the face, it is hard to feel optimistic.

edited for spelling, which ain't my strong point.

[bluesbassman]

76. Great post McCamy!

I think that people on both sides of this debate have lost sight of the real mission, which is to regain control of the White House. Allow me a little armchair psychiatry here, but I think the reason for this is that we so want to believe that "our" candidate is the one that is going to restore sanity and stability in this country, that we automatically assume that anyone opposing said candidate is the enemy. Hogwash. The fact is that we are electing a president, not a homecoming king or queen. It is politics, and I guarantee that no matter who gets the nod, some of you who were such staunch supporters of that candidate are going to disappointed in some aspects of their presidency.