Listen the fuck up: We are not fucking fated to lose the fucking White House in Fucking November.

[cali]

Whoever the dem nominee is, stands an excellent chance of winning. Of course the MSM is going to play up John Fuckin' McCain's chances. They want a horse race. Duh. Of course, he's doing relatively well NOW, while the dem candidates are slugging it out, but that will change. The repukes are queasy as hell about McCain, and not all on the same page. McCain has big temperment problems, ethical problems and he's incredibly uninterested and uninformed on the number 1 issue: The fucking catastrophic economy.

Yeah, fuckihng stupid dems are saying now that they'll vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't get it. Don't bet on that. This is in the heat of the battle. And next November when those people are having a hard time feeding their families, filling up their vehicles, and don't have a fucking clue how they'll pay for fuel to heat their homes, they'll be thinking long and hard before voting McCain. And don't give me that fucking they always vote against their economic interests. We haven't seen an economy this bad in decades, and certainly not during a presidential election year. And when it comes right down to it, Americans are sick to fucking death of the Iraq War. They want it over and they want our troops home.

Both our candidates are not the worst of crop. And no one fucking knows how those no longer in the race would really do. Polls a year out are about as fucking reliable as playing pin the tale on the fucking donkey.

Obama is the likely nominee, and he'll run as efficient and smart a campaign in the general as he is in the primary. And if hillary gets it, she'll have shown that she has what it takes to win.

We have a fucking excellent chance of winning in November.

End of fucking rant.

[helderheid]

1. Fuck!

K&R

[mr_hat]

2. Fuckity Fuck!

[helderheid]

52. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

[newmajority]

3. Great fucking rant

But I still fucking wish this fucking bullshit was over and we could fucking focus on that crazy fucking Grandpa McLoony.

And fuck those fucking DIEBOLD machines.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

12. I heard from our State Senator last night that Rosa DeLauro

and other Dems are going to start on McCain. They realize that they can't wait until we finally have a nominee. She endorsed Obama and plans to work with Clinton supporters on this effort

[TexasLady]

28. excellent news

I know it's hard to believe..but I do have faith that everyone..ok more people than many thing..will come together against the fuckety fuckers.

[boobooday]

4. No fucking McCain!

That goes for all of you!

[Writer]

5. I fucking agree with your fucking assessment of the fucking situation.

I mean, FUCK!

;)

[SoCalDem]

9. Damn you ALL..

All this language is making me miss "Deadwood" even more than I thought possible... :rofl:

[helderheid]

15. COCK SUCKAAAAAH!!!

[SoCalDem]

27. Now I AM gonna cry..

That damned writer PROMISED us a 4 hour wrap-up and the bastard never delivered.. he "gave" us that lame surfing show which SUCKED more than any vacuum cleaner I have ever owned..and sank a great show that everyone loved..

[helderheid]

30. I actually loved BOTH shows. *sigh*

[SoCalDem]

35. I never cared much for the casting of the John, from Cincinnati show

and if I don;t like the cast, I never get past it.. Can't think of a single character in Deadwood that I didn;t liek

But I still have Weeds, & Big Love & Mad men, so I guess that's something to be happy about:)

[helderheid]

40. I don't have Showtime so no Weeds - think I'll rent it. Can't WAIT for Big Love to come back! I live

in Sandy, Utah!

[bluestateguy]

6. You better watch your fucking langauge

nt

[cali]

10. I'll be more fucking careful in the fucking future.

[islandmkl]

7. you seem to be sharing a general mood, cali....

tired of this primary slugfest/bloodbath...

let's get to johnnyboy and the RW lackeys....

[islandmkl]

17. PS: reminds me of a saying an old guy used to tell us 'young bucks':

"I'm hearing a lot of fuck around here...but I don't see no fucking going on."

[RememberWellstone]

8. Fuckin' A!!!

fuck yeah!

[calimary]

23. You said it! Fuckin' A!

mcsame is the enemy. Not any of our guys.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5639501

[emilyg]

33. Ditto

[crankychatter]

11. We need more time to campaign

saying "fuck" is fun

I like saying fuck in front of people that never hear it

it's great

[TexasLady]

13. Fucking fuckers fuckingly fucked fuckers

noun, verb,adverb, adjective..a versatile word!

Fuck the fucking repukes, we are gonna DO this!

[YOY]

14. Fuck yeah!

http://ltownusa.ytmnd.com/

[SeaLyons]

16. Fuck On!!

[MNDemNY]

18. Unless Obama, or Clinton is the nominee, then we fuckin' lose.

[TahitiNut]

19. I agree that the Democratic Party has not yet destroyed its chance in November.

But it's working hard at achieving that goal. :eyes:

[islandmkl]

20. Phucking hooked on Phucking Fonics!!

[AspenRose]

21. Rude Pundit, is that you?

:rofl:

Wish I were as optimistic as you....

[terrya]

22. Fuckin' recommended.

I fucking refuse to believe that the American people will opt for the 1,000 year old right wing Bush ass kissing Republican. I refuse to. We are in a recession right now, our economy going from bad to worse, gas prices are at the highest levels ever with no end in sight, we're still in Iraq.

McCain has firmly hitched his wagon to ol', worst President ever, George W. Bush. A man with a 30% approval rating. I fuckin' refuse to believe that the American people will opt for a 3rd Bush term. I refuse to believe that.

We do, right here, right now, have a superb chance of winning in November. Period.

Recommended, cali. Thank you.

[MrCTLib]

25. ...

If Obama drops out now, we will win in November with Hillary

Obama will get his chance in 8 years, he's still young

[cali]

29. hi terrya

great to see you. I don't think McCain really does stand much of a chance.

We're gonna fucking kick his ass.

:hi:

[terrya]

44. hi cali

I just don't see a President McCain. Furthermore, we'll get bigger majorities in both the House and the Senate. It WILL all be good. :-)

:hi:

[TK421]

24. K&FRd ( kicked and fucking recommended )

[uponit7771]

26. McSame still can't get more 5 points on either dem candidate in ANY national poll

[mkultra]

31. holy fucking fuckity fuck fuckMan!

[knixphan]

32. K&FR!!

[SunsetDreams]

34. Mcain's ass is grass!!!

[Marrah_G]

36. I hope you are right

But I think you are wrong.

I won't stop fighting though.

[JuniperLea]

37. I've read that all over the place too... and I agree...

Arianna Huffington: Microtrends vs Macrotrends: Why Obama is ...Media wants a horse race, they want ratings, because they want money. Hillary is the obvious perfect choice for America. She can protect us through the hell ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/microtrends-vs-macrotrend_b_88962.html?page=3


Daily Kos: Open ThreadThe media wants a horse race, pure and simple. And they're doing they best they can to engineer one. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/8301/79241/959/501457


TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo |The press wants a horse race, folks! Hillary stumbled out of the gate in Iowa, is still behind at the 3/4 pole, and won't come home ahead on the short track ...
tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_chides_press_for_swallow.php


It's pretty much what I've been saying all along... we are being bombarded with polls and talking points to create an illusion that there is a snowball's chance in hell that Four More Years McCain could actually win.

[Lochloosa]

38. Fucking great Fucking Rant. Fucking Kicked and Fucking Recommended

FUCK!

[CK_John]

39. You're losing it, dearie. n/t

[cali]

43. seems most folks think you lost it long ago

chuckles.

[PBS Poll-435]

41. What the FUCK?

I agree with Cali.

Someone call Hell, tell them to prep the snow-plows.



K&FingR

[purji]

42. Fucking Thanks!

We can totally fucking take the white house in November! Fucking A

[backscatter712]

45. Fucking A.

Don't sweat it. The primary season's almost over.

The next two contests in Indiana and N. Carolina are going to Obama, and since Clinton had to blow all her cash in Pennsylvania, she's going to be quite hamstrung from now on.

It will not last much past May 20th - that's when Obama's likely to pick up that 1627th pledged delegate and have a mathematical pledged delegate majority. The superdelegates are going to flock to Obama when that happens, if they don't do so sooner.

By June, we will be turning our sights on McCain and focusing on an Obama victory in November.

[phrigndumass]

46. You're phucking right!

:spray:

[DS1]

47. Now in Galactica Style

Listen the frak up: We are not frakking fated to lose the frakking White House in frakking November.

Whoever the dem nominee is, stands an excellent chance of winning. Of course the MSM is going to play up John frakin' McCain's chances. They want a horse race. Duh. Of course, he's doing relatively well NOW, while the dem candidates are slugging it out, but that will change. The repukes are queasy as hell about McCain, and not all on the same page. McCain has big temperment problems, ethical problems and he's incredibly uninterested and uninformed on the number 1 issue: The frakking catastrophic economy.

Yeah, frakihng stupid dems are saying now that they'll vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't get it. Don't bet on that. This is in the heat of the battle. And next November when those people are having a hard time feeding their families, filling up their vehicles, and don't have a frakking clue how they'll pay for fuel to heat their homes, they'll be thinking long and hard before voting McCain. And don't give me that frakking they always vote against their economic interests. We haven't seen an economy this bad in decades, and certainly not during a presidential election year. And when it comes right down to it, Americans are sick to frakking death of the Iraq War. They want it over and they want our troops home.

Both our candidates are not the worst of crop. And no one frakking knows how those no longer in the race would really do. Polls a year out are about as frakking reliable as playing pin the tale on the frakking donkey.

Obama is the likely nominee, and he'll run as efficient and smart a campaign in the general as he is in the primary. And if hillary gets it, she'll have shown that she has what it takes to win.

We have a frakking excellent chance of winning in November.

End of frakking rant.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

48. A video for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM

Gotta love The Wire.

[baldguy]

49. New voter registrations are 2:1 in favor of Dems.

The only way for McCain to win in Nov is if the GOP cheats.

Get ready for his inauguration.

[Awsi Dooger]

50. Scarborough and Harold Ford nailed it last night

Emphasizing how beneficial the extended primary battle was for Democratic hopes in the fall.

Exactly. As long as this continues it's eyeballed as the main event, two legit heavyweights and the emerging victor -- Obama -- will receive surreal credit for defeating someone of that caliber. You can't buy something like that, not with $200 million or whatever Obama would be determined to blow in the interim months, while being slowly defined by the GOP. The registration benefits along the way are pure bonus.

Notice the Republicans are now paralyzed, no way to attack a tag team. And when you're vulnerable, as Obama is, the best scenario is a shortened cycle against the ultimate opponent, not a protracted one. Particularly when our side has the fundamental edge to begin with, as cali properly indicates.

Meanwhile, the blanketed folks who are scrambling to make a moment-to-moment point to their sheeple, like Rachel Maddow and today Maureen Dowd, naturally they are in clueless conventional wisdom mode: Woe-are-the-Democrats, McCain is lapping this up.

I wonder what rationalizing nonsense they'll spit out, when Obama jumps to the lead after vanquishing Hillary? No doubt the cause and effect will be twisted and bizarre, but that's par for their course.

However, there is one underlying point: This is still a 21% liberal, 32% conservative nation. Obama as the more progressive candidate is uphill in many vital states. No doubt we'll blow race after race by being too bold in the nominating process (i.e. Nevada gov 2006, Titus), let's just hope it's not the presidency. In '06 we had a tropical wind at our back via a 2nd term midterm. Almost anything was destined to succeed. My fear is the party base and netroots didn't grasp the situational influence of that result, and believe that every cycle they can get away with force feeding candidates who do not fit demographic tendencies or partisan preference.

[RichardRay]

51. I was recently castigated by one of Senator Clinton's

supporters for my uncouth use of the 'F' word. He felt that one of my advanced years and stature shouldn't resort to such language, even when responding to pure folderol. As I am trying to avoid further opprobrium I can only say:

Gosh yes!!

[anonymous171]

53. fuck

[SeattleGirl]

54. Right fucking ON!

Fuckity fuck fuck fuck, you said it!

[truebrit71]

55. Thank Fuck for that then!

Fuckin' A !!!!

[Mags]

56. Fuck,you forgot to call someone a racist.

[cali]

58. fuck, you

remembered to prevaricate. shocker.

[OneBlueSky]

57. It's not who votes that counts; it's who counts the votes. . . n/t

.

[JCMach1]

59. Underestimate McCain at your peril

Also, close and divisive primaries hurt. I specifically recall the 2002 race for Florida Gov. between Reno and McBride. The primary was extremely close with McBride winning by just a few thousand votes. He followed that up by nominating an old white guy for Lt. Gov. Couple that with a Bush in Tallahassee and he lost big and drug the whole ticket down with him.

Nominating an inexperienced campaigner can bite you in the ass. JEBtm won the debates and basically wiped the floor with our nominee. Could Reno have won? Doubtful, it was a bad year for Dems across the board. However, the size of his loss drug the entire party down.

Yes, there could be great upside for party if we nominate Obama and get a win! However, there is also pretty big downside risk to the party as a whole. At the end of the day, he could end up with 45-40% of the vote. However, we could end up with 55% landslide.

I don't see a scenario where Hillary would get less than 48%. However, if she wins it will be a much narrower range of between about 49-52% maximum.

Let's not forget McCain... he isn't George W. and he appeals to that OTHER 1/3 of the electorate that the Dems need to insure victory.

I believe he will be harder to beat than W. After all, we did that twice which brings up the final issue: who controls the votes. :(

There are MANY reasons to worry.

[depakid]

60. "End of fucking rant;"

No, the rant will likely continue sometime in mid-November, 2008 as you and others deconstruct why Democrats didn't see it coming and take responsible steps to keep it from happening- again.

[cali]

61. do read for comprehension

I didn't say dems will win, simply that they have an excellent chance of winning.

[judasdisney]

62. I think we're "fated" to win, by GOP design

November 2008: GOP rigs voting machines to ensure Clinton win after she steals nomination via dirty tricks

January 2009: Clinton takes office in 5th month of Second Great Depression. Cheney Sleeper Cells in stacked NSA/CIA/FBI are activated.

January 2009-2011: Clintons restructure economy & "New Federal Reserve" to appease Wall Street. Civil unrest, food riots clamped down

November 2012: Clinton vs. Giuliani. In a reoccurance of the Election of 1824, due to a third party, no candidate receives minimum number of electoral votes. Clinton is chosen President by the Democratic Party-controlled House of Representatives, as per rules in the Constitution. Giuliani "Real President in Exile" movement begins.

March 2015: Clinton attempts shutdown of NSA, after years of false intelligence from Cheney sleeper cells & information that a Pentagon coup d'etat is being plotted. Clinton is accused of lying (again, ala sniper fire) & attempting another coup (ala 2008). GOP stages walkout on Congress as Clinton is called "illegitimate" and "authoritarian."

April 4, 2015: Two USAF F-16s flown by "Al Qaeda sympathizers" who "infiltrated the military" crash into the Capitol Dome during an emergency session of Congress called by Clinton. All national-level Democrats are killed. A few survivors of the blaze are gunned down by special Sleeper Cell teams. The Neocon continuity-of-government (Rex 84) plan goes into effect. Chief Justice John Roberts swears-in President Giuliani at midnight on the steps of the Lincoln Monument. Roundups of political suspects & dissidents begin. Detentions at Nationals Stadium and several major U.S. cities' sports stadiums are initiated. Thousands disappear.

It's fated, all right.

[DemVet]

63. Nice language...a true mark of intelligence.

:sarcasm:

[EstimatedProphet]

64. Yes we fucking are

Because no one is campaigning against McCain right now, so he's getting a pass (he'd of course get one anyway) in the media. The nation is still made up primarily of people that watch TV news, and they'll buy into whatever the Hypnotist-In-A-Box tells them to believe.

I'd love to see us win in November. I just think that in order to do so, we need to put aside all the stupid crap of "I won't vote for X" because if people really won't vote for X to defeat McCain, then you can count on us losing.

[dailykoff]

65. If only it were that simple.

Every day the Clintons keep Obama distracted reduces our chances of winning in November. And even that's simplifying so as not to offend the faithful.

[Neshanic]

66. "excellent chance of winning in November" Keep telling yourself that.

The two warm bowls of dog sick that we have served up will not stand a chance against a "tired old man".

You and people like you were warned by people like me A LONG time ago that these two would doom us to a McCain presidency.

Hillary and Obama barely beat McCain in the polls now. This in a nightmare world of war, virtual economic collapse, and all manner of crap that can be wrought by a monkey.

We should be ahead by miles!

But keep telling yourself that. Just keep repeating it, and click some Ruby slippers.

[cali]

67. I don't think the likes of YOU know more than folks like Peter Hart

dearie.

You're completely full of s**t as always, not to mention lousy with arrogance. Should the dem win, I will so enjoy mercilessly taunting you. You no more have a crystal ball than I do, butvI don't pretend to. And I know you're not terribly informed, but this presidential year the economy is in worse shape since any presidential election year since 1932.

Oh, and sorry, JE had big vulnerabilities too.