I'm going to say something that will make me wildly unpopular with other Obama supporters:

[Political Heretic]

I have a very unpopular confession to make:

At this point I am so sick of the primaries, and more than that I sincerely believe that this extended primary fight, that becomes uglier and uglier with each passing day, is doing serious and extreme harm to our changes to take the White House in November.... that I really don't care who the Democratic nominee is as much as I want to HAVE A GODDAMN NOMINEE FOR CHRIST SAKE and be able to focus on John McCain and the general election!

I strongly support Obama, and I believe he is the better choice for America in 2008. And I am incredibly angry and hurt - in fact I would say I feel betrayed as a democrat - by the kind of campaign that team Hillary has run. I disagree with her philosophy toward politics almost 100%, but none of that overcomes my intense frustration that we are still bickering and infighting over picking a nominee!

My dislikes of Clinton are over style and tactics. But as far as policy goes, both candidates are nearly identical. I believe that Obama would be capable of advancing the democratic party further toward the 21st century political organization I would like to see. But that noble goal just doesn't matter as much to me in a time when our country is bleeding to death from criminal rule. Nothing is more important to me than having the Democratic Party control the White House and Congress. Nothing, and I while I continue to believe that nothing is going to stop Obama from being the eventual nominee, I am frustrated because more than I want Obama to be the nominee I want a Democrat in the White House, and in order to make that happen this process needs to be OVER NOW!

:mad:

[babylonsister]

1. Go watch her lie on a morning program like I just did. I don't

want a liar in the wh that I don't trust. I'm willing to wait for the real deal, but your point it taken; I also want this over with. Too bad personal blind ambition trumps party.

[tularetom]

2. When did Obama say he'd obliterate Iran?

When did clintoon say she'd investigate and prosecute the criminals in the bush administration?

As far as policy goes, both candidates are definitely not nearly identical.

I also want a Dem in the WH. I think obama is the only Dem in the race.

[valerief]

3. Absolutely correct. nt

[PVnRT]

4. Clintoon?

Please check the Limbaugh bullshit at the door. Thanks.

[MH1]

10. May have been an honest typo?

:shrug:

But if intentional, I agree with you.

[napoleon_in_rags]

7. What WOULD Obama do if Iran NUKED Israel?

I don't give a damn about the candidates but this argument is whacked. What would Obama do in the case of a nuclear holocaust against Israel? Sit there and make tea with them? Bush talked about attacking Iran, using nukes, as a first strike with them having done nothing. Hillary talked about it as a response for a nuclear attack. What's the big deal that makes her statements so much more important than Bush's statements, which were 1000 times more extreme?

[Kittycat]

9. What would he do if I nuked you?

Jesus christ. There is no point on fucking saber rattling. Haven't we have enough "my dick is bigger than yours" comments over the past 8 years under Bush/Cheney?

There are some things that do not need to be said, when the country doesn't even fucking have nuclear weapons.

[babylonsister]

15. He'd use his head first. Read this for your answer:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5609894

[napoleon_in_rags]

19. So Obama's calling them out on the saber rattling...

which is fine, and it makes sense. Don't get lost in hypothetical scenarios which make us threaten Iran. Good for him, correct response. But that's not the argument I'm hearing in threads like this, with 57 recs:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5623682&mesg_id=5623682
These threads are framing the issue saying that if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons, we should NOT attack. I am sure that is a misrepresentation of Obama's stance.

[death to the DLC]

11. If we could recommend single posts,

I would do so with yours.

[JuniperLea]

5. The only thing hurting the party...

Is the goddamn whining.

[Political Heretic]

8. Yeah, well we know that's untrue simply by looking at national polls.

In a year where the contest shouldn't even be close, McCain is with in points of either candidate.

[JuniperLea]

14. If you want to believe polls over your own common sense...

Feel free. I would have though we were all suspicious of polls by now, and rightfully so. You honestly think people want a mirror image of the worst administration ever? Bush's approval rating is beyond the toilet and the sewer, heading for open sea, and you think people are going to rally behind McCain's promise of four more years of the same? And you don't see a disconnect there?

[Political Heretic]

17. People don't rationally vote their interests.

So feeling like everything is going to be okay because people couldn't possible vote for more of the same really goes against my common sense.

[Armstead]

6. And how would this make you unpopular with Obama supporters?

I want this godamn primary over now so we can m,ove on to McCain.

If somehow Hillary steals the nomination, i'd still prefer her over Mccain.

The worst fear of all sides ought to be President McCain.

[stillcool]

12. I like the whole watch and learn..

aspect of this campaign season. I don't recall another primary season being as revealing. All in all, I think it's a good thing for the Democratic Party. Since 2006, I have been questioning if we had one. The answers are starting to come into focus, but I think that in more time, more will be revealed.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Sorry, I will not yield to her sense of entitlement.

[NC_Nurse]

16. I hear ya. We're all frustrated. Especially given the fact that she's ALREADY

LOST! :wtf:

Unfortunately, the media has completely jumped the shark in the last few years and is
completely divorced from reality. If they cam out and said she had no chance, this BS
would end. But no, they keep saying it will be tough for her, which feeds right into her
"fighter" persona. It's a crock.

Nonetheless, we must keep on keeping on. Lest the country fall completely into the hands
of the "haves and the have mores". I think we will win despite this sideshow. We just can't
give up. :hi:

[KoKo]

18. Let all the States vote! n/t

[grantcart]

20. This is exactly why the Clintons are doing what they are doing to wear people down

the tactics she is using will make it impossible to govern when president.

Obama is not just suggesting a change in policy but a change in the way that we make decisions.


Reduce dependency on oil - we have had the same 'policy' for the lat 20 years. We need a new methodology.


Clinton's saber rattling and loose talk of thermonuclear war has made it impossible for me to support her for anything.

It is this blustering to try and out 'toughen' the conservatives that led to her IWR. The last time we had a democrat President who

tried to act tougher than the conservatives we got LBJ and the Vietnam war.


go take a break, turn off the TV and the computer spend a couple of days in rehab


then come back and rejoin the battle.