Only way Obama can win nomination is if Clinton quits the race.

[MethuenProgressive]

He can't win in big states, can't shake all his negatives, and can't earn enough delegates to secure the nom before the election.
9 million dollars of negative attack ads, and he still couldn't close the deal.
The Super Delegates won't send damaged goods up against the GOP, and just Hope things will Change.

[lisa58]

1. how do you quite a race?

[jackson_dem]

59. The same way Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardson and Kucinich did

[Red Zelda]

2. I'm ready for Hillbilly's nomination

... with Democrats for McCain bumper stickers.

[polpilot]

15. Me, too!! Hillbillies for Hill. Maybe 'Bomb Montreal Now' (to show we're strong)

[cliffordu]

41. Yeah, let's fucking blow up BC, too!!!!

[democrattotheend]

3. He did not spend $9 million on attack ads

Where the hell are you getting that figure from? The vast majority of his ads were positive, with the exception of a few at the end.

[Benhurst]

23. He was just a little negative, like a little pregnant, toward the end of the election.

This campaign has degenerated into a farce.

Senator Inevitable is running a little behind Senator Bring Us All Together, neither of whom can reach the number of elected delegates required for a clean win of the nomination without having to be dragged across the finish line by unelected super delegates.

The "will of the people" may be out there somewhere, but the primary process, agreed to by both Clinton and Obama without objection, is so flawed nothing is clear other than the inability of both our biggest losers to unite the party.

No matter which of these candidates is dragged across the finish line, the party will not be united for the general election. The spin-masters on both sides can rant and rave; but the sad truth is that neither candidate was able to garner sufficient support for victory.

Unite the country? The nominee will have trouble uniting the party, and this after two stolen presidential elections, the shredding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, a health care system which is on the verge of collapse and an illegal and the immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq which is stealing us blind.

But should this really come as a surprise? This is the party which gave us Nancy "Impeachment's-off-the-table" Pelosi. And in the increasingly-remote chance that either goes on to be president (after two years of the party's controlling Congress and doing absolutely nothing to address the theft of not one, but two, presidential elections), what are the odds any of the war criminals and thieves who have brought this country to its knees will be brought to justice? Slim to none I fear.

As the Dollar falls and the economy tanks, I doubt the rest of the world will be overly impressed with our having elected either our first minority or woman president, if such is the case. Someone who could have united the Democratic Party would have been nice. Someone who could have united the nation would have been even better.

[Andrea]

56. There is still a chance for someone like that

Check out the link in my sig line.

[Benhurst]

66. ...

:thumbsup:

[kevinbgoode]

69. The media was not about to let that happen.

[mmonk]

4. Damaged goods is your hope but it won't save the Clinton campaign nor

the party.

[dkf]

5. He's being nice to her because he's trying to keep your vote

And you shove it in his face.

Do you know how easy it would be to cut her down if he really tried?

Frankly, I don't think she deserves to be treated so well.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. Bitter, damaged, defeated Obama flees PA, snubbing his supporters.

He ran away with his tail between his legs, not even staying in PA long enough to thank his supporters or do the honorable thing with a traditional concession speech.
Poor loser, thy name is Obama.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Yeah, sure.

:crazy:

[dkf]

10. Are you kidding? He was absolutely magnanimous in his concession.

Jeez louise.

[muryan]

16. Just like the concession speech Hillary gave

after the states she lost? If they had to concede after every state it would get very boring.

[sellitman]

25. You

You are one of the main reasons on this site people are turning away from the very candidate you pontificate about. There are Obama supporters who do the same thing if that makes you feel better but my point is there are IDIOTS on both sides who now will vote McBush if their candidate doesnt win. Many have stated that posts like yours is part of the reason. You poison the water and if you ask me you do the whole Democratic Party a disservice.

[Bake]

50. Actually, the O supporters who won't vote for Hillary

claim to be taking that position out of conscience, not because us Hillary supporters are assholes (and true, some of us are). I've said in the past that I'd have a hard time voting for O because so many of his supporters have been assholes, more so than out of a policy reason - because on policy the two are not too far apart. And that makes me wonder about the "conscience" thing on the part of O supporters.

Bake

[Arkansas Granny]

52. I don't think too much of the "conscience" thing if they would risk a John McCain

presidency just to satisfy their own ego.

[Bake]

55. Ideological purity is a comfort to those who are accustomed to losing.

I'll hold my nose, if I must, to vote for our nominee in the GE regardless.

Bake

[rocktivity]

29. Having accomplished his missions in PA

of preventing a double-digit victory and burning out Hillary's campaigin coffers, Obama moves on to his next missions: Winning NC and getting at least 45% in IN.

:headbang:
rocknation

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[cliffordu]

43. Is ignorance catching??......The math here is inexorable....

The math hates you and your little brain.

The math never lies....

The math says you

[Starbucks Anarchist]

53. Like when Hillary left South Carolina before the polls closed?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18456129

By the time Edwards was talking about moving on, Sen. Hillary Clinton already had. The lights weren't out at local polling stations before she was on a plane to a Super Tuesday state.

Speaking at a town meeting-style event in Nashville, Tenn., she congratulated her rival, but made it clear this was little more than an evening of the score at two big wins each.

[walldude]

64. I guess you missed the concession speech

in which he congratulated Hillary on her victory, and made a moving speech that actually brought people to tears, including at least Hillary supporter:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5633205

But don't let the facts get in the way of your little "tail between the legs" fantasy... :rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

73. After fleeing Pennsylvania. with his tail between his bitter legs, after Clinton's speech.

Really a scummy thing to do.

[Name removed]

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[Taxmyth]

7. She's being nice to him

and hasn't hit him as hard as he could be hit.

[dkf]

11. Hello? Kitchen sink? Seriously, the delusion I see is amazing.

[guyanakoolaid]

17. Saying McCain is better qualified is about as low as you can go.

Fortunately these things stick around the internets.

[NorthCarolina]

13. You're wasting your breath I think

I suspect many of the most egregious Hillary supporters on this board will likely abandon her in the GE to vote for their true candidate.

[bowens43]

8. Your post is ridiculous on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

Hillary is LOSING , the superdelgates are not gonig to give the election to hillary over the will of the people. To say that because hillry won a primary, Obama can't win the state in the GE is beyond stupid. You have the audacity to attack Obama over negative campaigning? Are you out of your freaking mind?

[yourguide]

12. Only way Clinton can win nomination is if

a photo of Obama roasting a kitten is found.

[MethuenProgressive]

35. If that photo is found, the MSM will say Bill gave him the cat, pre-cooked.

And the glassy eyed mob will bob their heads in unison.

[godai]

14. No, but the only way Clinton can win the nomination is if Obama quits the race.

Obama will hold the delegate lead, popular vote lead and the SDs will put him over the top. Clinton can stay in forever. She can never catch up. It's ridiculous to consider that Obama would quit the race but that would be the only way for her to win.

[guyanakoolaid]

18. Only way Clinton wins is if Obama gets hit by a truck.

The delusions are getting unreal. Devoid of reality.

[CK dexter]

19. Only way Clinton can win is if Obama quits the race

[Terri S]

20. I was kinda hoping this was supposed to be satire, but I think you're serious.

There is just so much that defies reality in what you've said, it's hard to even acknowledge, but here are a few things...


Can't win big states? Big State Myth

Who can't shake negatives? Negatives Along the Campaign

Can't earn enough delegates? Hillary now needs to win 71% of the remaining contests to do so. Your point?

Negative attack ads? Super delegates? The NYT spoke to both rather well here

Oh, and Obama just got another SD... Link

[rocktivity]

21. Hillary's biggest negative is that she can't bypass Obama.

Why would the superdelegates get behind someone who can't take advantage of someone who can't close the deal?

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[Vilis Veritas]

27. Batman Slam Award!

rocknation is the

[SeaLyons]

38. you nailed it.....

Obama cannot "close the deal". He looses the big states.

[joeybee12]

22. If he weren't so arrogant and me-focused, it would be over a month or so

ago...all he had to do was not brush Hilary off when she started talking about VP choices...I think she was testing the waters, and if they had come to some sort of agreement with Hilary as VP, she would have dropped out...but Barry is so self-absorbed, he doesn't realize that you don't always get exactly what you want,a nd there's compromise...he has only himself to blame.

[rocktivity]

28. If he wins NC and gets at least 45% in IN

It will over in two weeks.

:headbang:
rocknation

[jackson_dem]

60. Obama is so weak now that the best he can do in next door IN is lose by 10?

Obamites should stop sending him money. He is wasting it.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

24. Just wondering why she won a state by 8 points

When, 6 weeks ago, she was projected to win by nearly 30 points?

She needs to win all the contests by 70% to overcome Obama's lead. That's mathematically impossible.

I'm looking forward to when we can work together behind our nominee, Obama, to beat McCain in November. We need to put Hillary behind us, she's history.

[jackson_dem]

61. She was never projected to win by 30 points. That is another Obama fairy tale

[billyoc]

26. Then why haven't the SD's endorsed Clinton? Are they trying to avoid hurting my feelings?

:rofl:

[gsaguyCLW54]

30. You're a smart person....

...and not blinded by the effects of the koolaid.

[GoesTo11]

31. Best HRC can do is get Gore nominated

If she succeeds in persuading SD's that Obama is unelectable but she still is behind him in pledged delegates.
If she succeeds in raising Obama's negatives while raising her own.
If she persuades half the Democrats that Obama isn't qualified and persuades half the Democrats that she's not ethical enough.

Then there's no reason at all SD's would go to her, even if she drives them away from Obama.

It would be a real shame if she prevents Dems from nominating one of their candidates. But if she does, Gore would have none of the negatives and would be in a strong position to win. (With Obama as VP)

[Andrea]

57. Gore has a better chance of winning in November

than either of these two. We need to unify.

[shadowknows69]

33. Hillary is worse damaged goods.

She couldn't beat Obama more than half the time.

[Arkansas Granny]

34. I believe that in the end the SDs are going to weigh the potential electoral vote

in the GE when making their decision. That's the best reason I can see that they have not already pledged. It seems to me, that if they thought Obama was more likely to beat McCain in the GE, they would have already thrown their support to him and we would have our nominee. JMHO.

While it's true that Obama has won more state in the Democratic primaries than Clinton has, that does not necessarily mean that he will take those states in November against McCain. I've seen some electoral vote projections that show Clinton getting more votes than Obama and some that show the opposite, but I don't know how reliable the sources are.

[TragedyandHope]

36. Completely incorrect

For all practical purposes, Obama already has locked up the nomination. All the negative what-if scenarios based on the current 3 candidate race don't hold any water for what will actually happen in the General Election, when the final two candidates go toe to toe. The country is fed up with the state of the economy, the war, gas prices and a long list of other problems brought on by the previous administration. The record Democratic turnouts show that once we finally settle on one candidate, there will an overwhelming tide working against McCain. Obama is winning this race. He will win big states as well, when he builds on the momentum and record turnout of the Democratic primary race.

For a second place candidate to repeatedly attempt to tear down a candidate with a bigoted, Rovian, mud-slinging negative campaign and then claim he is "damaged goods" is the height of hubris and absurdity. On the contrary, Hillary's scorched earth campaign for short term gain has only alienated record numbers of the traditional base and sharply lowered her favorability numbers across the country. With all this damage done to the other candidate, herself and the party, all she has to show for it is a second place result. I'm sorry, but this is not a candidate the party is looking for.

[lojasmo]

37. Stupidest. Post. Ever.

Your candidate is done, but too self-centered to notice.

[kid a]

39. You'll get used to it. Fine reading if you have a sense of humor.

[ihelpu2see]

40. sorry, the supers will prove you wrong, again. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

42. "couldn't close the deal" I see you are repeating the Official Talking Point

Yes She Can! (be unoriginal)

GoMama! (away)

[kevinbgoode]

72. Yea...when is Hillary going to start making a deal?

[helderheid]

44. Um, no:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5642811&mesg_id=5642811

[anonymous171]

45. This is a contest for Delegates. Obama will win the big states in the GE no problem.

[jackson_dem]

62. Iowa is not a big state

[wileedog]

46. So can she get on with it already so we can move on to McCain?

This is getting old.

[ScarletSniper]

47. and how can Clinton win the race..lmao...she can't not without stealing it..she has to be a thief

[Swamp Rat]

48. "Thank you... BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!"

[wiggs]

49. The only way we can lose in Iraq is if we leave....GOP talking point. nt

[Lucinda]

51. Yup. I think it's also enough to keep him off the ticket too.

[gcomeau]

54. Only way Clinton can win nomination is if Obama struck down by meteor.

Who wins? I think I know.

[kikiek]

58. That is what the superdelegates are for. To determine which candidate can win.

[thevoiceofreason]

63. Your post topped 8/8 on the "Full of shit o'meter"

Read em and weep. These next 2 weeks are gonna be hard on your camp. But we'll keep the light on for ya.

[Hippo_Tron]

65. MuntheunProgressive, if this were true then why aren't they all rallying around Hillary now?

If Obama is truly unelectable then why don't the super delegates just step in and give it to Hillary right now so that she has more time to unite the party and run against McCain?

Perhaps it's because Hillary is the epitome of damaged goods and while Obama may have is flaws, she's not necessarily more electable. I think it's telling that her own Super Delegates, including Barney Frank, are saying that the SD's should switch to whoever has the most pledged delegates when the primary contest is over. I think that shows that they don't seem to think one is particularly more electable than the other and so they just want to do what is best to unite the party.

[cooolandrew]

67. Hannity must be so proud you recited those talkng points so well. Well done.Bless.

[kevinbgoode]

68. Well, then I guess the Democratic Party should just throw in the

towel and not run a campaign for President this year.

Because in every category you mentioned, Hillary Clinton, with the biggest known name in the Democratic Party, eight years as First Lady, with the highest negatives among independents and Republicans, financially in the red, losing big-name supporters, cannot even get the deal started. She should be embarassed that, with a well-known daughter, a husband who was a former President, and herself campaigning all over the country, this is the best she can do.

So, let's just announce that the Democratic Party won't have a candidate for President this year, and explain it was because Hillary Clinton believed it was her personal entitlement even though every poll in the country showed from the beginning of the campaign that she was the most unelectable with the highest negatives of all the candidates.

[GetTheRightVote]

71. He was not even suppose to be the front runner, yet he is today

exactly that, he was not suppose to come even close to HRC yet she is the underdog today, he only set out to give us an ideal that he or anyone could run for the highest office in this nation and he has done so in grand fashion, he has given voice to so many newly registered voters and he is the Tiger Woods of politics today, he has even inspired this old girl to vote for him with speeches that send my heart beating with a warmth it has not felt in some time now, he brings tears to eyes that were to dry for them, he has given me hope that together we will stand strong and rebuild this nation out of the ashes which are left from Mr. Bush and his admin, he is our leader if not accepted by some, he must be our leader for he is the voice of the new Democratic party which is now truly represented by the population, the grass roots, the people in the streets, on the internet which now stands firmly behind him. I truly believe that he will be our nominee or this party will be finished.

[MethuenProgressive]

75. He's "Tiger Woods"?

This board flamed the McCain supporter who called him that.

[michaz]

74. Oh Stop! You know that this is not true! n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

76. It's true. Obama's damaged goods, completely unelectable.

He can't get the nom without SDs, and with all his negatives, they'll never just surrender to McCain. Beating McCAin is everything - and BO's not up to it. The only way he wins the nom is if HRC quits.