I Love the way the press is spinning this as a HUGE victory for Clinton

[Rob Gregory Browne]

when the truth is that this is ultimately a defeat. We ALL knew that Clinton was going to win this state. Sure, we had hopes that Obama might somehow pull it out, but the polls showed us that she basically had it sewn up.

But the defeat comes from the fact that until a couple weeks ago, she was twenty or more points ahead. Yet the media (and many Clinton supporters here) has conveniently forgotten this fact and is spinning this as the beginning of the end for Obama.

We have to remember, however, that the media wants this to go on forever. They are making huge ratings and a boat load of money off of this race. And the longer they can drag it out, the richer they get. So they tout Hillary's "momentum" as if it matters. The truth is, she'd better have the best momentum since Nixon beat McGovern, because unless she has OVERWHELMING victories in every single one of the remaining primaries, she will not be the nominee.

I truly feel for you Clinton supporters. You want her to win so badly that you're blinded to the sheer impossibility of it. And that's completely understandable. I'd probably feel the same way if Obama were in her position ---

Oh, wait. No I wouldn't. Because if Obama were in her position, he would have been forced to drop out by now.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. So do I.

[grantcart]

2. I'll be curious to see how they go into detail about Clinton unable to

'close the deal' on African American voters.

[bobbert]

3. NC will be a small margin of vicory for Obama

edit: according to MSM

[DerekJ]

4. Let it be. Who cares if the MSM is spinning it? Today is a great day,

Yes great. Out of all the noise of her wining, the mathematical reality is now even more of a grim.

She lost today in my book. I admit I wanted a moral victory too. But the realistic victory suffices.

[anonymous171]

5. Give them a week.

[Speck Tater]

6. Easy to understand.

Most people are not like we folks on DU. Most people don't understand the subtle distinction between a big win and a small win, simply because they haven't been watching the polls, and they are completely unaware of the earlier 20-point expectations. The result was simply a "win" for Clinton, because in order for it to be anything less, the media would have to explain the prior expectations to their readers and viewers, and average media consumers do not have the attention span for that sort of nuance.

So to dumb it down they simply say "She won. End of story."

[BzaDem]

7. You keep thinking that. We'll work for her to win the popular vote and then the nomination.

[melody]

10. And destroy the Democratic Party on the day you do

That way Dr Dean and the real Democrats go away and the DLC and the Republican Lite take over.

Good going.

[Rob Gregory Browne]

21. The selection of the nominee has nothing to do

with the popular vote. I know Hillary's been telling you it does, but she's wrong. So don't get your hopes up.

[BzaDem]

32. Again, you keep thinking that. The Superdelegates think differently.

[melody]

8. Well, of course, it's what the ABC hit job was all about n/t

[Maddy McCall]

9. The only people who think that Hillary lost tonight are a handful of Obama supporters at DU.

[cliffordu]

14. And the MATH, of course.

too bad about that.

[rug]

40. 1,238,000 minus 1,030,000.

Can you do the math for me, please?

[sandnsea]

11. The media created "delusion"

that Hillary can win.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x122817

[EFerrari]

12. Because the longer this goes on, the more money the media conglomerates make. n/t

[dailykoff]

37. True, but they would have been happier if Clinton had won Iowa

and sewn it up from the start.

[global1]

13. The MSNBC & CNN People Are Ecstatic Over The Fact That This Is......

going to go on for at least another 2 weeks. Ad $ and ratings is what this is all about.

[murielm99]

15. I think it's even funnier the way the Obama people

are spinning it as a win for him.

OOOOH! She didn't get ten or twenty percent! That means she lost!

:rofl:

[Rob Gregory Browne]

22. Essentially, yes, it does.

I'm sorry that you don't quite understand how primaries work, but Hillary had to win BIG to snatch the nomination, and has to continue to win big in the remaining primaries. There's just no way she can do that.

I'm not spinning this as a WIN for Obama. I don't have to.

[murielm99]

31. Sorry you are such a condescending blivet. n/t

[Rob Gregory Browne]

33. I'm not the one here rolling on the floor with laughter, making fun of Obama supporters. nt

[murielm99]

39. I am laughing at their spin, lies and sour grapes.

I have done enough for the Democratic Party over the years that I understand the primary process. I don't know you. You are a non-donating newbie, with whom I have no history. I do not know if you are a troll or a freeper. I will not put up with condescension and snottiness without defending myself, whether it comes from you or any other anonymous message board contributor.

[MattBaggins]

24. You claim a loss in Texas as a win

We'll take Penn

[Rob Gregory Browne]

34. As far as delegate count goes, Obama wins both.

Sorry. Just the fact that he'll take a large number of delegates in PA makes it a win for him.

[cliffordu]

26. Unfortunate. About the MATH, that is....

[Radical Activist]

16. makes all that whining about the media being against hillary sound like bullshit

don't it?

[Yes We Did]

17. In truth if Obama were in her position I'd have said he should leave because he can't win...

She can go on til the end of this process but even she knows she can't win.

If the SDs overturn the will of the voters, pledged, states won, caucuses won, popular vote and hand Clinton the nomination... I am no longer a Democrat.

[ClayZ]

18. K and R

[johnnydrama]

19. face it

2 weeks from now MSNBC could either be airing Lockup:San Quentin for the 200th time, or a big presidential primary night.

Which do you think they want to air? What side do you think they'll come down on.

Pat Buchanan with his, oh noes, this is a game changer.

It changes nothing Pat.

[4themind]

20. They can have their spin, people can go find their OWN information a mouse click away

[Eurobabe]

23. I had to turn off the TV after briefly checking the results

it is disgusting. You'd think she was the second coming or something?

Well, if she bombs IRAN she WILL BE!

I cannot stand HRC.

[RememberWellstone]

25. If Obama won by 2%

Would you call it a "huge" win? And why?

[Rob Gregory Browne]

36. Yes, I would. Because he was twenty points behind two weeks agoand not expected to win at all.

Plus, it would have ended this charade once and for all. Now, unfortunately, Hillary will drag this thing along longer. As I said above, if the situation were reversed, Obama would have been forced to withdraw, and Clinton supporters would be the first to demand it.

[knixphan]

27. Yep - MSM needs a horcerace, or 'Rocky'

Infotainment and all that...

But the big O can handle it, and we're behind him.

Just keep riding, O!

[truedelphi]

28. i watched NBC out of Sacramento talk about a Debra Bowen loss

While interviewing her opponent in Nov 2006.

Debra had ALREADY WON! But that didn't stop the media from acting like she'd never ever get to be the Secreatry of State.

The media is nothing but CIA influenced operatives.

They get paid beaucoup bucks for being mannequins with moving mouths and the words of the Corporate Masters spinning from their lizard tongures.

[dailykoff]

35. You bet.

Well-fed mockingbirds.

[pointsoflight]

29. Hillary actually lost ground tonight.

Yes, she picked up about 10 delegates. But having nearly 160 delegates pulled off of the table more than negates that. She actually has to win a higher percentage of the remaining delegates now than was the case yesterday.

[RiverStone]

38. This point is so damn obvious, yet is lost in the corporate...

...media's desire to keep the race interesting.

Really frustrating!

Still, congrats to Hil supporters.

Gotta wait 2 weeks to seal the deal.

[Awsi Dooger]

30. I love that some people here thought it wouldn't be spun as a huge victory

The emphasis on margin was overdone. A loss in a state like this automatically serves up the question of Obama vulnerability in pivotal states. MSNBC was desperately clinging to the margin theme tonight, while other networks were properly deciphering the impact.

MSNBC is truly comical. Matthews was claiming the biggest question in the race is whether Bill and Hillary want Obama to win in November, if he's the nominee. Smack in the middle of the night, while other pundits are examining demographics and relevant material, and he summons that.

Tomorrow I'm sure Olbermann and MSNBC will be desperate to emphasize the declining margin of victory, after the networks signed off. Safest bet on the planet.