Whoa - Ron Reagan is voicing on Larry King What is Hillary's Plan B?

[RamboLiberal]

Subtlely make sure Obama loses the GE so she can run in 2012.

Thank you Ron for voicing what many of us are thinking.

I'm feeling about Hillary what I feel about Lieberman and Nader. Oh and Ron, I don't think she's being that subtle.

[my3boyz]

1. What? Clinton News Network allowed that? They did not cut to commercial? lol. nt

[writes3000]

2. Yep, I saw that. Completely depressing theory. I would hope she's not that low. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

4. She is much lower than that!

And she wants to nuke Iran for the sheer joy of it!

[Justitia]

11. LOL - Have you known the Clintons very long? -eom

[oviedodem]

3. This is what it comes down to and I don't understand why everyone can't

see that. I hate them for this they are not democrats plain and simple.

[kenny blankenship]

6. It's more like Plan A, since the nomination is out of reach for her

[newmajority]

5. Ron grew up surrounded by the BushClinton right wing machine

He knows damn well how they operate. Kudos to him for saying so.

[sandnsea]

7. Even I have a hard time believing that

It is just beyond what I can comprehend to think someone would be that calculating.

[speedoo]

10. She calculated her vote on the IWR, didn't she?

That was all about her presidential ambition. That was about a WAR.

If she could do that, she could certainly be calculating about 2012 now.

[sandnsea]

13. I think she supported the actual war though

Look at her "obliteration" comments and her ME security umbrella. I think the plan was to criticize the execution all along, but they didn't calculate that there wouldn't be any WMD.

[speedoo]

15. To me it's not complicated at all. She voted for a fucking unnecessary war.

Without reading the NIE. And she voted for it because she believed it would make her a stronger presidential candidate.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about that. And because of this unnecessary war, 4,000 US soldiers are dead. I'm a vet, so those dead soldiers are my brothers and sisters. And that is simply unforgivable, that she voted for a war, because of her personal ambition.

Now maybe she does not look at war as seriously as I do. But I think that if she voted for war she would not hesitate for a second to go after Obama to put McCain in the WH so that 2012 becomes an easier election for her to win.

[Justitia]

12. Seriously, it is COMPLETELY in keeping with Clinton history - both of them. -eom

[redstate_democrat]

8. He needs to introduce this into his stump speech.

He just needs to come out and say that she is running for 2012 right now by trying to tear the party apart.

[babylonsister]

9. Who was that woman, Bev Smith? that ClintonNN marginalized, literally?

Her picture and words were so small. What a pile of shit!

[splat]

14. Ron Reagan a Dem insider? Nope. She's unlikely to want to run at 64. This is her time

[sandnsea]

16. 64 isn't that old anymore

68, otoh, no way. But it is still hard for me to believe anybody would be that calculating.

[galaxy21]

19. 68 isn't that old either

Look at ronald reagan and Mccain.

[karynnj]

21. Not just the age the fact that Bill Clinton seems

to have really aged. He looks far older than others his age - including Gore, Bush and Kerry (who is 2 or 3 years older).

But more important is to look where she will likely be in 2008, if McCain won. (There is no way she will beat Obama as a sitting President - Kennedy couldn't beat Carter) After the defeat, there will be two camps spinning as to what happened. Assuming that Obama did not flagrantly awful in the election, it will divide into two camps - those who blame Obama and those who blame the Clintons.

The fact that there are already massive leaks of what happened behind the scenes in the Clinton camp that are extremely unflattering. They have had several shakeups, financial problems - both of accepting money they shouldn't have and in some people not signaling there were cash problems when there were, and they have had surrogates who have done things to embarrass the candidate. They started with the support of most of the "Democratic party in exile" in the think tanks, the most name recognition, a primary schedule designed to fit her like a glove and result in a conclusive Feb 5 win and 8 or more years of the media gradually making the case that she was the inevitable candidate. Her campaign has been a disaster and she a rather mediocre candidate - clearly smart, but unable to hide the nastier side of her personality.

Why should that matter? In late 2006, a pundit that I liked and respected, made a comment that was rather snarky, though not in any way nasty about Kerry's chances that was not the main point of the article. I wrote a response defending Kerry and was surprised that he responded to me. We exchanged a few emails and in the last one he said that he really liked Kerry, agreed more with his positions than anyone and thought he was still the one he would want to have a beer with, BUT he thought that the Kerry general election campaign had internal problems that could have indicated his ability to run an administration. Now, I could have responded by pointing out that the Kerry primary campaign was excellent and that perhaps it was the addition of the people from other campaigns and the Clinton people that were the problem - but this would only be my conjecture of why, not a disputation of his view of the campaign.

Now, Clinton's primary campaign has been far worse than Kerry's general election campaign - in terms of showing how she would run an administration and people she would rely on. Also, she has done serious damage to her own reputation. She is now seen as untrustworthy
and as a not very nice person. Her unfavorables are high and I would imagine could go higher among people who will blame her as much as Obama. Also, a large part of inevitable will be Bill Clinton - but he is NOT in the same place he was a year ago - his negatives have increased. There also may be people who see that he won, but lost both houses of Congress and was not a major positive in 2000, 2004 or 2008. HRC has also not really been the Senate powerhouse that some claim - what would be for reason for being considered?

[rusty fender]

17. She also calculatingly cheated by keeping her name on the FL and MI ballots!

She cheated from the beginning! She gave a big FU to the rules when she deliberately kept her name on those ballots. Now she's got her people out there in the media crying about FL and MI. I hate Hillary and everything she does.

[galaxy21]

18. I don't really believe the 2012 theory

I think she does want to convince the SDs Barack is unelectable because he's black and win this year.


Which is actually worse.

Dammit, Hillary, a lifetime of good deeds, and this is what you want to be remembered for?

[JohnnyBoots]

20. If she was a good Democrat, wouldn't she have tooed the party line----like all the other Dem

candidates? I really can't stand her or her tactics.

[marlakay]

22. yeah and i was also surprised that larry

backed hillary into saying that she would support Obama if he won. she hasn't publicly said that before.