Since when did popular vote become important?

[Pawel K]

I see that MSNBC is now displaying the popular vote at the bottom of their screen. They were not doing this in previous primaries. Is this the new Clinton talking point? That it's the popular vote that counts? And I suppose that Michigan, where Obama wasn't even on the ticket, should count toward that popular vote?

How many more times is this goal post going to move during this race?

[tekisui]

1. Because Hillary is entitled to win.

[Fearless]

2. She is ENTITLED nothing but a fair election. END OF STORY.

Pure elitism on your part.

[Pawel K]

4. Changing the rules as you see fit is not a fair election.

[Fearless]

13. Exactly why michigan and florida can't count.

[tekisui]

5. It's the delegates. And The Superdelegates.

They chose it, now. For whatever reason they chose.

It is laughable you accuse me of being an elitist. Really, it is.

[Atman]

8. Pure BULLSHIT on your part

She is entitled to NOTHING. She is the one determined to make the race UNfair. She agreed to the rules...they didn't work in her favor...so she wants the change them.

I don't even like Obama that much. But I DESPISE the game Hillary is playing with our nation's future. She is the consummate spoil-sport. She's the kid that throws the chess board in the air one move before she realizes she can't win. I fucking hate what this woman is doing to our party.

.

[stillcool]

29. you guys crack me up..

"elitism"! is that the second one on the list. First go around tonite was all about race. Now we've flipped to 'elitism'.

[sandnsea]

3. It has been for a while now

Otherwise she'd have admitted she lost Texas and conceded. The sad thing is, she isn't winning the popular vote either and isn't likely to.

[knixphan]

6. hey, wasn't the goalpost just here...?

[Skittles]

7. excuse me

WHY THE FUCK SHOULD THE POPULAR VOTE NOT BE IMPORTANT ?????

[JBoy]

10. It's about as important as RBI stats in determining the World Series champion.

[Skittles]

16. did you say that during GWB vs GORE?

I fucking bet not

[walldude]

12. Because your leaders decided that just in case

the people can't be trusted to know what's right for them they would devise this "pledge" system, so they could override the will of the people. I don't like it but that's the way it is for now. What I find amusing is watching supporters of both candidates complain when the system is working against their candidate.

[Skittles]

15. I want to know what the popular vote is

it mattered in gwb vs Gore and IT MATTERS NOW! :D

[walldude]

22. Hey I'm with ya...

get rid of this stupid system. One person one vote, most votes wins. That's a democracy. LIttle late to be changing the rules now though. And chances are, the ruling class are in no hurry to have their "override" taken away from them.

[Raine]

19. Obama leads Hillary over 700 thousand in popular vote

national so I sure wouldn't want to discount it as unimportant.

[Lint Head]

9. I guess since Hillary won by single digits.

:dem:

[gravity]

11. When Hillary decided she couldn't win the delegate count

[jackson_dem]

14. November of 2000. Where were you?

[chascarrillo]

25. I wasn't aware that the primaries were held in November of that year.

(On edit: "the" to "that". Dur.)

[jackson_dem]

26. What happened in November of 2000?

[chascarrillo]

32. Not one single primary or caucus.

[newmajority]

17. The Hillbot spin of "popular vote" includes the Florida and Michigan NON elections.

They're also trying to include votes from Santa's village at the North Pole, and Sean Astin is trying to get all the votes counted from "Hobbits for Hillary" back in the Shire.

[olkaz]

18. It became important when Hillary could no longer win by following the rules.

And the media is happy to oblige in this charade, because lord knows they need this to be a horse race.

[bigwillq]

20. Isn't Obama ahead in the pop. vote?

:shrug:

[Raine]

28. Yup by over 700 thousand. :-) nt

[bigwillq]

33. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Seems like some people are fixing numbers tonight.


Although the process is based on delegates and supers, I am all for the popular vote mattering more than it does now. I think it's highly unfair that our votes can NOT matter if it goes to the supers.

I am not whining here, I voted for DK in my primary, and like Clinton and Obama equally, I guess. I still have many faults with each.

I hope they make some changes for next time around.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. when it became clear

that pledged delegates wouldn't decide this thing.

Once it becvame clear that superdelegates will be needed to put a candidate over the top, it became a meaningful point.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

[stillcool]

23. because the Clinton's say so..

it isn't about the delegates anymore..and it won't be about the popular vote when she doesn't get that either. Stringing along until the Convention. Hoping they can strong-arm some delegates and Supers. I hate to think of how far they will go.

[AZBlue]

24. Yes, it is the new Clinton talking point.

She's claiming that SDs should all vote for her because she has the popular vote - which she doesn't. And, even if she did, the "popular vote" is inaccurate - we have states that have caucuses, no popular vote tally is taken in those states.

[billyoc]

27. Since somebody didn't like the real results. nt

[lutefisk]

30. The strategy is count FL & MI popular vote and tap into our sense of injustice over Gore

The Clinton campaign will run with the Popular Vote/Florida/Gore/Injustice theme, imho.

[JBoy]

31. They started pushing "popular vote" when nobody was buying the "big state" argument