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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:04 PM
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CNN exits: Obama wins Philly with 69%, Philly suburbs with 62%
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:23 PM by usregimechange
Clinton winning out west by 61%. Guys this is going to be close...
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:06 PM
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1. It does seem like it is going to be a hell of alot closer than I thought!
A Clinton win by over 10 is looking to be less likely by the min!
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:08 PM
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7. in fact, it looks impossible
this is very good news
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:10 PM
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13. She has to win by 10% to stay in because of fund raising
or so they just said on MSNBC (after talking to Hillary people)
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:06 PM
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2. Anyone remember a marvel comic way back when called "The Pitt"?
Did it have anything to do with Pittsburgh?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:17 PM
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25. It was Image comics, just "Pitt", and I don't remember!
NT!

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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:07 PM
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3. OMG he won Philly? YES!
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:09 PM
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11. The bigger news is how well he has done in the burbs, that was not expected
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:19 PM
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29. The burbs is out of the park!!! GOBAMA!!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:07 PM
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4. that is bigger than expected in the 'burbs I think
That would mean taking Philly and the burbs by about 65%, yes, very close race overall.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:08 PM
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5. The suburbs by 62% !!! That's out of the park!!!!!
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:08 PM
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6. He didn't win Philly by 69%
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:09 PM by NJSecularist
That is the amount of the vote he got in the Philadelphia area. He won by 38%.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:09 PM
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8. What were the required margins beforehand?
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:09 PM
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9. Umm... BY 69 or WITH 69?
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:11 PM
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17. my thoughts exactly
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:22 PM
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31. Your right, somewhat confusing, corrected.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:09 PM
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10. Dude if those exits are correct then Obama has won Pennsylvania
I had a thread about t his last night. He needed to win Philly by 60%. Only PPP had him winning Philly by those margins.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:10 PM
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15. He didn't win Philly by 69%. He won it by 38%.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:12 PM
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19. Isn't it he won 69% of the vote in Philly?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:12 PM
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20. I meant to say if he got 60% + of the vote in Philly. Only PPD had him up in Philly by 20 points!
I am telling you, if Obama got 69% of the vote in Philadelphia, this thing is over. Game over.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:42 PM
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44. yep. nt
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:42 PM by tiptoe
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:20 PM
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30. PPP's regional data and analysis, 4-weeks thru 4/21 (MoE 2%): see #24 nt
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:22 PM by tiptoe
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:10 PM
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12. remember when they saw obama camps predictions of how the primaries would pan out
and it was so accurate they called it the bible? these people know what theyre doing.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:10 PM
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14. Holy Shit!!!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:11 PM
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16. WTF Pittsburgh?
Get with the program.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:12 PM
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22. Pittsburgh is included in the west number, went for Clinton, although inner city pitt and other area
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:13 PM by usregimechange
s likely went for him, not by the much because rural areas pushed her numbers up
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:18 PM
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27. Pittsburgh SUCKS
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:19 PM by TheDonkey
well the surrounding farm country is quite racist and backwards let's get real PAers. I am from Westmoreland county, believe me I know. Not everyone but A LOT of em and these results do not shock me unfortunately.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:29 PM
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35. I used to live in Pittsburgh and then in Imperial.
Imperial had a lot of stupid fucking necks.

Pittsburgh is a great town though. Love it.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:12 PM
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18. Yeah. Maybe even Missouri close. More delegates to be had in Philly than in the rural areas. n/t
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:12 PM
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21. Hmm..
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:14 PM by dbmk
This could be close. There is a threshold in CD#2 at 72,222% for a 7-2 split - that I had more or less expected.

And CD #1 needs 64,286% for a 5-2 split - that was also more or less expected.

Thats 4 delegates on right on the wire.

More on the districts here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5608247
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:13 PM
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23. Those are excellent numbers for the Philly burbs.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:31 PM
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36. Those are outstanding numbers! None of the polls showed even a average win there for him
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:38 PM
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40. anything over 63% in metro philly == Undecideds (10%) breaking for Obama: -- see data in #24 nt
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:40 PM by tiptoe
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:43 PM
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45. Do we have any idea what voter turnout was like in SE PA?
Could we have a replay of Missouri here?
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:14 PM
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24. "...metro Philadelphia area. If there is huge turnout there he has a chance...." --Pollster PPP
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 07:17 PM by tiptoe
Final Pennsylvania Poll Shows Tight Race

Raleigh, N.C. – Public Policy Polling’s final survey in Pennsylvania continues to show an extremely tight race. Barack Obama has a 49–46** lead over Hillary Clinton in the state.

This is the fourth week in a row PPP has shown the race within three points. Obama had a three point edge last week, Clinton had the three point advantage two weeks ago, and Obama was up two three weeks ago.

“With such a close race, the winner of the Pennsylvania primary is going to come down to turnout,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “Obama leads 58–32 in the metro Philadelphia area. If there is huge turnout there he has a chance.
...
Obama’s small lead comes from his standard coalition of men, black and younger voters. He leads 55–34 with men and 81–12 with African Americans. He has a 50–39 edge with voters ages 18–29 and 49–41 with those between 30–45.

Clinton’s strength comes from women, whites, and older voters, but her margins with those groups are not as large as they have been at other points in the Pennsylvania contest. She leads women (50–41) and senior citizens (48–42) by single digits and will have a hard time scoring the kind of dominant victory she needs if those numbers don’t improve.
...


**Undecided respondents were asked if they were leaning toward one of the candidates, and the 49-46 lead comes with those factored in.
                                           April 21 / April 16 / April 9 / April 2

Trend + Clinton + Obama + Obama + Clinton + ???

Pennsylvania NorthEast SouthEast SouthCentral WestCentral SouthWest

Weight (4/21) 100 9 % 45% 10% 10% 26%

Clinton 43/42/46/43 65/57/64/62 32/33/35/37 39/41/43/35 57/48/60/53 51/52/50/45
Obama 47/45/43/45 27/28/30/26 58/53/53/53 52/46/42/50 31/39/31/30 38/37/37/39
Undecided 10/13/11/13 8/15/ 6/11 10/14/12/10 8/12/15/15 11/13/ 9/18 11/11/13/16




Northeast PA defined as area codes 570
Scranton, Williamsport
Southeast PA defined as area codes 215, 267, 484, 610
Philadelphia
South Central PA defined as area codes 717
Harrisburg, Lancaster, York
Southwest PA defined as area codes 412, 724
Pittsburgh, Bethel Park, Monroeville, New Castle
West Central PA defined as area codes 814
State College, Erie, Altoona
(major cities)



April 21
PPP surveyed 2338 likely Democratic primary voters on April 19th and 20th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 2.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

April 16
PPP surveyed 1095 likely Democratic primary voters on April 14th and 15th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 3.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

April 9
PPP surveyed 1124 likely Democratic primary voters on April 7th and 8th. The survey’s margin of error is +/- 2.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

April 2
PPP surveyed 1224 likely Democratic primary voters on March 31st and April 1st. The survey’s margin of errors is +/- 2.8%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

Public Policy Polling had the most accurate numbers of any company in the country for the Democratic primaries in South Carolina and Wisconsin, as well as the closest numbers for any organization that polled the contests in both Texas and Ohio.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:18 PM
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26. I'm very pleased with Philly area numbers, but Pittsburgh I thought would be a bit tighter.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:19 PM
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28. Ok, just checked. "WITH" 69%... "WITH".
I was rooting for "by" but that didn't sound at all likely.

Vote by Region -- Clinton -- Obama

Philadelphia (16%) -- 31% -- 69%
Philadelphia Suburbs (13%) -- 37% -- 62%
Northeast Pa.(14%) -- 66% -- 34%
Pittsburgh/West (33%) -- 61% -- 38%
Central/Northern Pa. (24%) -- 52% -- 48%
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:23 PM
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32. PUUUSH!
Philadelphia (16%) -- 31% -- 69%
Philadelphia Suburbs (13%) -- 37% -- 62%

If those two numbers shift 3+ in Obamas favour - thats prob. a four delegate shift.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:25 PM
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33. with those no.s Obama has 48%
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:33 PM
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38. Central/Northern is interesting
That's surprisingly close.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:41 PM
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43. That was my thought as well.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:17 PM
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48. This must be what projections are based on: Clinton by 3.7% state-wide


We'll see...I wish Obama could pull it out overall.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:26 PM
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34. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:31 PM
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37. According to EXITS
Don't get too excited yet, either way.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:36 PM
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39. Jewish vote: Clinton 53%, Obama 47% n/t
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:38 PM
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41. Was that better than expected for Obama?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:46 PM
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46. ANYTHING over 45% is GREAT for Obama
:bounce:
rocknation
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:39 PM
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42. Oh Philadelphia freedom shine on me, I love you

Elton John - Philadelphia Freedom (Soul Train circa 1975)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMXnk16kiE&feature=related


Get down.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:49 PM
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47. CNN Exit poll-- Clinton dominates among people for whom race and/or gender is important. Ha.
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