Why hasn't Obama been able to win the primary with Unity, Hope and Change?

[GoldieAZ49]

Hillary's poorly run campaign

Hillary's High negatives

The Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton meme

The race card meme

Washington insider etc etc


Obama, Unity, Hope, Change, New Politics, turning the page, transcending race, bipartisan appeal

Obama has out raised her campaign and anyone else's in history

Yet he cannot win over blue collar working class middle America dems. It isn't just women.

He lost the popular vote in New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, California, Ohio and Texas.

If he is so transcending and such a great uniter, why hasn't he been able to win?

BTW he hasn't won half the dem party either much of his support came from independents and moderate republicans.


So what gives? Why doesn't he have the appeal to win and unite dems let alone the country?

[Hawkeye-X]

1. You bore me.

:boring:

[JoFerret]

50. Thanks

For keeping the thread kicked.
Diversity is good.

[Yurovsky]

2. Complete and utter BS...

Obama has more popular votes

Obama has more pledged delegates

Obama has more total delegates

NONE of the 3 aforementioned FACTS are going to change before the convention

F'n deal with THAT

[cui bono]

3. Whine whine whine.

*yawn*

[wileedog]

4. Hillary had a 30 point lead, wads of cash, the Insider Backing and

the media trumpeting her inevitability before anyone even cast a vote.

What he has accomplished against her given those circumstances is nothing short of remarkable.

The campaign is over, she only has the hope that the SDs will decide to commit political suicide and overturn the PD vote.

That's it.

So I suggest you look at your own utter failure of a candidate and wonder how in the world she cold have screwed this up so badly before asking why a guy who some people were wondering why he was even running managed to utterly destroy her "inevitability."

[babylonsister]

5. Compared to Clinton, he's doing a fine job. Suck it up. nt

[TheDonkey]

6. Someone can't handle the heat

[CakeGrrl]

7. Ask the people here who will not vote for him UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES

What, you think he can program people to make them do what he wants?

No...now THAT would be a cult, wouldn't it?

:eyes:

[C_U_L8R]

8. He has... THIRTY ONE times

Obama has beaten Hillary in 31 state contests
whereas Hillary has merely won 15.

That's a lot of Hope Unity and Change.

[Cant trust em]

guess what...

He IS winning.

and you're whining.

[scheming daemons]

9. Yawn...more states, more voters, more delegates... he *IS* winning

...

[cottonseed]

10. He has! His competitor just hasn't gotten out of the way yet.

Shouldn't be much longer.

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[murielm99]

15. Legitimate questions

Why the name calling?

[shadowknows69]

52. Because the poster has proven consistently to be an idiot

[Melinda]

12. Why wasn't Hillary able to...

win:

MS | WY | TX | VT | HI | WI | MD | DC | VA | ME | LA | NE | WA | AK | UT | ID | ND | MN | KS | CO | MO | DE | IL | CT | AL | GA | SC | IA

???

[Johnny__Motown]

13. He will win... and the establishment candidate will always do well in large states with large

well established political machines

[FrenchieCat]

14. He has......even when the racists got in the way....with their Wright, Farrakhan, Muslim,

no flagpin, unpatriotic, blah blah blah......

[Cant trust em]

16. The better question is why hasn't Clinton, with all of her name recognition

experience, money, organization and countless other attributes, been able to put away this half a term, former no name recognition guy with a funny name and a crazy black preacher?

Oh, I know the answer. Kool-aid. Puhlease.

[thereismore]

17. He has. Your point? nt

[peoli]

18. Why hasnt Hillary been able to win with a 35 year head start is the real question.

[BlooInBloo]

19. If Obama's so shitty, then there aren't words to describe how shitty people losing to him are.

[PresidentObama]

20. ....He's winning. He's raised more money and got more votes than McCain or Hillary.

[kwenu]

21. Wow! Thanks for reminding me how pathetic the Hillary campaign is.

[Aloha Spirit]

22. It's tricky. Check this out... this video explains it pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C2b8XWJnfE

[johnnydrama]

23. I played Michael Jordan to 20.

They spotted Jordan 15, and I couldn't win, this must mean i'm horrible.

[Cant trust em]

26. Your analogy is almost perfect

except that Hillary's game isn't flawless like Mike's was. Hmmm. Who was an overrated star in the 90's whose name was bigger than their game?

[bowens43]

24. Not this shit again.....

Give it up already , your inane , irrelevant rambling isn't going to help hillary. She's through. She lost.

[Uben]

25. Notice how they all dodge the question?

Obama has not, and cannot unify the democratic party. Neither can Hillary. The fact is that Obama supporters and Clinton supporters dislike their opponent so much, they are willing to stay home or some might even vote for McCain. Nothing is going to change at this point. Will Obama convince enough democrats to vote for him to win? I truly can't say at this point. There was a time when I thought no democrat could lose this election. Those days are gone now.

I am a life-long democrat. I have never voted republican, and never will. I truly do not see the appeal of Obama. He has virtually no accomplishments to speak of, and offers only words......yes, only words, for campaign promises. All those things he says he will try to do won't come easy. Most will not happen at all. That is a fact. My only hope is that he will be successful in reforming healthcare, one issue Clinton beats him at, hands down. I truly believe if she is nominated, we will see it happen. I do not have that confidence in Obama, mainly because he hasn't been pushing for it for the last ten years like Clinton.

I will vote for a democrat this fall, and it will probably not be my first choice or my second choice candidate. If Obama is nominated and elected, he has a very tough job ahead of him. If he does not perform in four years, there is no way he will get a second shot at it, and we will probably see another republican administration in 2013. I wish I had more confidence in Obama, but frankly, he has shown me nothing to bolster it. Eloquent speaking wins suckers, but it takes action to initiate change. We will see, I hope.

[Cant trust em]

29. Well honestly, the question was pretty dumb

Maybe the reason that no one answered the question to the intent that you might be making is that the OP was written in such a snotty way that people would be more likely to respond with flame than an answer.

But here's my answer. He's had to come up against some pretty long odds to get to where he is now. He's never going to unify everyone in the party, but if there's anything that he's shown it's that he can go anywhere and make up ground. It wasn't that long ago that he was 20 points behind. Now he's pulling it to within a few. He's been up against some pretty stiff competition against a good candidate. To be where he is is a testament to his ability to connect with people. No one will ever unify everyone, but he has a great shot to do it for a lot of people.

[Uben]

35. I've seen the same question a hundred times here.....

....and I concur that it is flame bait because we all pretty much know how things stand. DU is not representative of the American public, although Obama does hold the lead at this point. For the life of me though, I can't see the appeal of Obama. What do people expect of him? Do they think he is going to move mountains? If so, he hasn't shown the know how to this point. I sure hope he has something up his sleeve, because we all know how tough it is to get anything changed in DC. The "establishment" is firmly embedded, palms are sufficiently greased, and the ones who have the power to change it (congress), are the ones still in office.
Unless we see a democratic sweep in congressional elections this year, I'm not looking for much to change....regardless of which candidate wins the nomination.

[Cant trust em]

40. I expect his changes to be modest, frankly

but I can already see some of it happening. Case in point. At the debate last week, Gibson asked Clinton about Tuzla. She gave her explanation that I've never quite bought, and I was waiting for Obama to blow it out of the water. When his opportunity came, he passed. The biggest change he can bring will be to deliver an even bigger democratic majority in the house. His ability to bring additional people to the party is probably his biggest asset.

Speaking of establishment with palms being well greased, I think that this is a perfect time to elect someone who hasn't been in Washington for the last 16 years. Sen. Clinton has been around too long and her vote for the Authorization of Use of Military Force in Iraq is evidence of this. She lost me with that vote.

[GoldieAZ49]

37. Thank you,

I agree it is getting to be a long shot. Hillary does have the background for healthcare and if it was the only thing she did in her first term it would be historical.

Even with her negatives from the beginning, dems would rather have her experience than a likable rookie.

[Cant trust em]

41. Dems might. But that might be different for the GE.

Clinton and McCain is set in stone. We could have the GE tomorrow and I bet that the situation wouldn't change much.

Obama still has 6 months to increase his profile. He's shown throughout this primary season that once people get to know him he can cut into leads. As one GOP strategist said "Clinton will never get mroe than 55% and she'll never get lower than 45%. Obama might get 40%, but he could also pull 60%." He's got huge upside. But with Clinton this is going to be tough.

[GoldieAZ49]

51. Experience will be a GE issue

with 55% it would be higher that the two Bush elections, higher than Bill's too.

She was an active part of Bill's public office. We usually prefer a governor over a senator for president, she could make that case.

[anonymous171]

53. And McCain will win that argument against BOTH of them.

Obama's lack of experience works to his advantage. Hillary's "experience" won't matter against old-as-dirt McCain.

[Cant trust em]

55. I'm concerned that if experience is the key then Clinton loses. McCain beats her in that regard.

She'll make the argument that it's the right experience that matters, but if that argument didn't convince people to vote for Obama then it's probably less likely to work for Clinton since she mocked that idea when it was used against her. The nice thing about an Obama candidacy is that it changes the game on Republicans in so many ways. It's like we actually get to show how we're different than they are instead of just a slightly less conservative version of the GOP. They wanted this war and we have a candidate that was opposed to it. They are making this about experience and we're making this about a clean slate. I'm concerned that if we have Clinton we're continuing to play up to their strengths and letting them define the game.

[Andy823]

27. Well for a black man

A first term Senator, someone without a well know name like Hillary has, and who does not have a former president for a spouse, he is doing pretty damn good if you ask me, which I am sure you won't! :think:

[GoldieAZ49]

39. I agree, it is impressive

his campaign is one for the history books

he has broken all fundraising records as well

[AlCzervik]

28. so you're saying Senator Clinton is running against Hope, unity and Change, i agree.

[Occam Bandage]

30. He has. The media's just keeping Hillary around so they can have their "horse race."

[madrchsod]

31. we had the general election? why did`t someone tell me?

"He lost the popular vote in New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, California, Ohio and Texas." so who`s the president?

[krawhitham]

32. Because of the color of his skin

If he was white she would have been done a long time ago

[Exilednight]

33. Here's why................

http://content.cartoonbox.slate.com/?feature=1fb08d404d814e2bd1b4380f753d9885

[Debi]

34. He is winning n/t

[JimGinPA]

36. Why Can't Hillary Pay Her Bills?

[whatchamacallit]

38. If Obama doesn't deserve to be the nominee because he's failed to crush Hillary

What does it say for her? These posts are nonsensical; why do you expect him to win in a landslide, but not her?

[Rene]

42. he doesn't have the ability to win the GE....and people finally see how nasty, and negatavie obama

truly is. check out www.attacktimeline.com and see the overall nasty strategy from the obama campaign for a very long time. very rove-like....very smelly rove-like.

[anonymous171]

43. Rove himself says Hillary has done the best.

[whatchamacallit]

47. Help me with this "HilLogic"

If Hillary is losing to Obama in the primary, how is it she has a greater ability than him to win the GE?

[Gore1FL]

44. He did

It's been effectively won since Wisconsin.

[anonymous171]

45. ALERT! DEMOCRATS *NEVER* WIN A MAJORITY OF THE WHITE WORKING CLASS VOTE IN THE GE

[mmonk]

46. Why hasn't Clinton been able to win on issues?

[cliffordu]

48. Because of haters like you.

[Bensthename]

49. Because he is running against a real _ _ _ _ _...

If she had half the character of Obama he still may not have won yet, but this race wouldn't stink to bad.

[AZBlue]

54. Because some people, like you, are filled with hate and rancor.

I've had enough of your bullshit.
Let me introduce you to my friend: Ignore.

[GoldieAZ49]

56. hate and rancor?????

You are projecting your own emotions.

Too bad for you.

[annie1]

57. Because many of us find it corny.