Obama uses sexist language in speech.

[Evergreen Emerald]

We should write to Donna Brazille and ask her to go on all the talk shows and tell Obama he better knock of the sexist code.

When he suggested that Clinton was throwing china at him, it was sexist and an attempt to paint her as an hysterical female--stereotyped angry female throwing stuff at the guy.

That code language should not be tolerated by anyone.

Of course Clinton can't say anything about it or she will be
1. accused of using gender to win an election
2. be called a racist.

[ErinBerin84]

1. Jesus Christ

I'm kind of new here, but is this discussion had every day? Is there any difference in intellectual discourse or an increase in understanding among supporters from day to day?

[not_too_L8]

5. you'll learn to ignore this kind of stuff

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. It is a shame that you ignore it.

Because the reality is that he was using sexist code to paint her as a stereotypical hysterical female throwing dishes.

You of course said the same thing when Obama's camp was shouting "Racism!" from the rooftops, or do you only ignore sexism?

[panader0]

20. It was the Clinton camp that used the "kitchen sink" phrase.

Obama just extended it to include china and the buffet.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

80. and it was Hillary who said she was very comfortable in the kitchen, as well

and she said that recently. Boasted that.

[Shae]

152. and she told Obama

that if he can't stand the heat to get out of the kitchen.
How sexist is that?
Does she think that only women can cook?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

oh and she was throwing out the "wimp" word - talk about sexism and nastiness

she just embarasses me for the democratic party.

[Why Syzygy]

23. It was discussed yesterday ad nausium.

She is the one who talks about the heat in the kitchen, the kitchen sink strategy, etc.

Besides, she fits the stereotype. She is a screaming, fit throwing WOMAN. She should knock it off.

[PoliticalAmazon]

151. Bill Clinton, the sexist, called Hillary a "girl." Better lock him up! n/t

[ErinBerin84]

28. I try to listen to both sides

and honestly, there are times when I think that charges of racism are exaggerated, and times when charges of sexism are exaggerated. I stated the exact same thoughts yesterday to several ops. I've had Hillary supporters tell me that Obama is sexist for holding the chair out for her at debates.

But I really really really don't think that the china reference was sexist. To me, the fact that she is ever trying to use that "We need someone who will not cheer on John McCain." proves that she is absolutely fucking desperate, and is throwing absolutely everything at him.

[not_too_L8]

41. I also listen to both sides, but I am not looking for

the racist or sexist hidden meanings in what people have to say.

[not_too_L8]

29. I ignore all the grasping interpretation that tries to...

insinuate something that is only present when it is underlying in your own personality.

[jaxx]

30. Wow sexist code.

That's a new one.

[mkultra]

130. your imagining things

[Barrymores Ghost]

160. Funny, she doesn't bother resorting to "code..."

...her campaign designs ads that take Obama's face and darkens and flattens it, and show a sleeping little white girl in bed at 3:00 a.m., unaware of the danger outside lurking; and they send Matt Drudge a photo of Obama dressed in traditional Somali garb to portray him as a Muslim; and then, to an interviewer who asks Hillary if Barack's a Muslim, she responds, "not to my knowledge," knowing full well he's gone to the same Christian church for 20 years; oh, and she dismisses Obama as someone who "hasn't done the kind of 'spade' work to back up his promises," and her supporter, Andrew Cuomo, tells reporters that Obama can't "shuck and jive" at press conferences...and Geraldine Ferraro says he'd never be a contender if he wasn't black...

...I could go on.

And, here you are, getting your knickers in a twist over THIS?

Pathetic...really.

[JoFerret]

167. You are of course

entirely correct.

[Political Heretic]

7. Oh hell no.

That would be like... wrong or something.

[rurallib]

10. Yep - mostly one side and usually a distortion of reality

Now watch - I will be torn asunder for saying that.

[ErinBerin84]

35. well

the first time I posted here, the poster who I was replying to actually changed the post that they had originally written, and then feigned outrage that I was pulling some supposedly offensive assumption out of thin air.

[indimuse]

24. really?

That's RACIST!!!!!

[ErinBerin84]

52. I guess I am just wondering

why someone couldn't just have kicked one of the what, 5 threads on this exact same topic yesterday to continue the discussion. And you didn't answer my question.

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. I was not here yesterday and did not see the posts. I looked at the list before I posted

But I figured since this is such a one-sided board with the Clinton supporters mostly gone, that you all needed to see a perspective that you would ignore.

I know most, fly to this thread to attack. But perhaps somewhere in that "progressive" mind there is a twinkle of understanding.

Perhaps I am asking too much from you all. You call yourselves progressive.

[ErinBerin84]

65. I'm an Obama supporter,

but I am willing to read Clinton supporters' posts, consider them, and make my own judgement based on the evidence offered. It's interesting, all of the books about "teledemocracy" that came out in the 90s, and how it would be so great for the country and expanding the will of the people. It has been amazing in terms of fundraising and the level of information that is readily available to the public, but I'm sure there will books written in the future about how it is damaging in the sense of creating a sort of alternate reality, in which supporters of both sides antagonize each other in a format in which they can say things that they would not be comfortable discussing in public. I did not mean to belittle your post, it just frustrates me that so much discussion tends to just lead to more divide in the Democratic party (and people on both sides are responsible, let me make it clear). However, again as an Obama supporter, I'll always willing to read Clinton supporters' posts and take them in to consideration.

[Leftist Agitator]

105. Cut the shit. You sure as fuck WERE here yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5591291&mesg_id=5591428

I see you take you cues on honesty from your queen.

:eyes:

[HereSince1628]

137. oops! God Doncha Just Hate The Internet When It Does That?

It's hard to get accustomed to having everything we type so available to be used against us. :rofl:

[Leftist Agitator]

142. Methinks that Evergreen Emerald is living in the same decade as her Queen.

"It's hard to get accustomed to having everything we type so available to be used against us."

Only if you're a liar.

:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

154. Wow. Now I know how Clinton feels

you guys are beyond unreasonable. I was not here yesterday when that thread was posted, never saw it, but when I posted this one, I looked for one, and did not see one.

Jeez, you guys are so quick to attack.

[TahitiNut]

166. "Jeez, you guys are so quick to attack."

Poor baby. So much sniper fire and so few places to hide. :eyes:

[roguevalley]

145. you would get farther if you weren't so snotty. we call ourselves

progressives and we are. this is sad because you aren't telling us why you want her, you're just casting for excuses for her losing.

[Evergreen Emerald]

155. I have tried not to be snotty, but if you look at these posts, they are all

so mean and ugly. And if you look at this board you are asking me to be "not so snotty" to people who attack me and the candidate I chose, on every level.

Ugly, vicious. And I respond as snotty. Yep. I am defensive.

[Citizen Kang]

67. signature line FAIL

...

[billyoc]

86. pimp-my-ignorefile.com

idiot.

[roguevalley]

144. they have nothing less to whine about. 'china' is now sexist. what

a steaming pile. ignore them. it will be over soon.

[chimpymustgo]

2. I agree. A linguist could have a field day with his speech. Brazenly sexist.

He'd done it from the start. And his body language when he and Clinton are together. Bleh...

[mnhtnbb]

43. Oh, I love that picture and miss John and Elizabeth Edwards.

[Crunchy Frog]

115. Better hope it's a cunning linguist.

:evilgrin:

[roguevalley]

146. crunchy frog, best post on this thread. :)

[kid a]

3. "knock of the sexist code" what is that?

Its bullshit.

[jordi_fanclub]

4. WHAT?!

Are you defending CHINA now?

Tsk, tsk. :sarcasm:

[Fox Mulder]

6. Are you serious?

Or is this more of the same crap from every other day?

Edit: Answered my own question.

[rodeodance]

8. He is a sexist.

[yourguide]

9. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

outrage fail.

[rurallib]

12. Is it too much to ask for some specific examples to support your thesis?

[Evergreen Emerald]

I did in the post.

When he was stating that Clinton was "throwing the China" at him and the buffet, he was attempting to paint her as the stereotypical hysterical female.

I was so surprised when he said it, and I was more surprised that no one mentioned it. Of course had the rolls been reverersed, MSM would have suggested she was using "racist code"

[rurallib]

56. refrence please

I could make up a line and claim that Hillary or McCain or Bush said it. Unless it is generally known. I have not heard that attributed to Obama. Or do I just take your word for it?

[Hepburn]

87. She is a stereotypical, hysterical female...

...you want people should ignore this? :shrug:

[dchill]

91. See, as a female, YOU can say this...

I, on the other hand, wouldn't dare. That's why this works for them. Dare I say, it's a victim thing?
:hi:

[XemaSab]

110. EXACTLY!

She's set the women's rights movement back 50 years with her emotional outbursts.

[roguevalley]

149. the tears in new hampshire make it harder for the next female to

run, the whole campaign too.

[lisa58]

13. the Clinton campaign said they were going to ....

...throw the kitchen sink at him. He's allowed to imagine what would be in the sink - like say, the china?

Being female and having been raised by my dad and having grown up with my brothers, this is not sexist.

[chimpymustgo]

26. "Claws come out" "periodically...feel down". Just a couple of examples...

Is Obama Using Sexist Language?

February 16, 2008 11:30 AM

Earlier this month, speaking at Tulane University, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said this about the attacks coming his way from Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY:

"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out," Obama said.

The CLAWS come out? Really?

Then yesterday Obama told reporters who had asked about Clinton's latest attack ad, "I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."

That prompted some female TV reporters to question the language he was using.

According to this unofficial transcript, over at MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell and Norah O'Donnell seemed to suggest Obama may have been -- if not playing the gender card, then using language women voters might find offensive.

Language such as "when she's feeling down" "periodically" she "launches attacks."

Nora O'Donnell: "He said, 'I understand when she's down, that she makes these kinds of attacks.' It's getting a little personal."

Andrea Mitchell: "It's getting a little personal and, very frankly, you know how deeply we interpreted every comment to look for some sort of racial motivation before South Carolina. A lot of people said it was there. But, you know, when you start describing a female candidate as being 'down' and 'striking back,' I don't know, that's a little edgy, don't you think?"

Nora O'Donnell: "Yeah. And I think there's gonna be a lot more comments about that."*

Pro-Clinton blogger Taylor Marsh writes that words like this, in her view, indicate "a way of thinking about women. A way of demeaning women in power; even saying we're not up to the job. Seriously, Senator Hillary Clinton is a woman running for president. Not some emotional menopausal diva popping pills because she's depressed she broke a nail."

"Claws"…"feeling down"...I find it hard to envision Obama using the same language if he were facing, say, former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/is-obama-using.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. Excellent post. I did not see that article

It bothers me that the media is not airing these obviously sexist demeaning statements.

There are so many double standards in this election. He is allowed to paint her as an hysterical female--demeaning her as a woman--with not one peep from the powerful women or from the media.

Of course look what happened to Ferraro when she tried. She was shut up in Bush like-fashion by calling her a racist.

[Milo_Bloom]

61. You're kidding, right?

Claws and periodically? That is "sexist" language?


This is no better than the people who thought they racist language in the 3:00AM ad with the Good Night PJ's

Basically, you all flipped your freaking lids.

[Hugabear]

100. I missed the biology course where only females had claws

I've heard that phrase quite often, referring to both men and women. I didn't know that only female animals had claws.

[saltpoint]

14. She was the one who used 'kitchen sink.' Kitchen sinks, by and large,

are in kitchens.

"I'm comfortable in the kitchen," said Mrs. Clinton.

"I won the cookie-baking contest with Barbara Bush," said Mrs. Clinton.

"I'm your girl," said Mrs. Clinton.

If Mrs. Clinton wants people not to think of her as the 'hysterical female/stereotyped angry female throwing stuff at the guy,' to use your phrase, she should probably stop acting like one.

[Saturday]

44. "Kitchen sink" isn't sexist, look it up and how it is used. nt

[saltpoint]

48. Well, she continues to position herself in the kitchen in her public remarks.

After all, she's not REALLY an Ivy League-educated coporate attorney former First Lady.

She's a shot-guzzlin' bowlin'-alley shoot-'em-up babe -- the salt of the working class earth.

[undeterred]

63. Eggs-actly. I'm just a GIIRRRLLLL!!

STOP PICKING ON ME YOU BITTER ELITIST MISOGYNIST PIG! :hi:

[saltpoint]

76. _ _ _ _

:hi:

[XemaSab]

111. As someone smarter and funnier than myself said:

Answering the phone? Making copies?? Exactly what job is she applying for here??? :shrug:

[Coexist]

53. great post, Old Crusoe.

[Coexist]

15. wouldn't her employing a 'kitchen sink' strategy be sexist, by your standards,

as it infers the woman belongs in the kitchen over the sink doing dishes?

[Saturday]

45. How young are you? Look it up. It isn't sexist. nt

[Coexist]

49. how old am I would be a better question!

[KSinTX]

90. That was ageist nt

[Hugabear]

103. Not sexist when Hillary uses it, but IS sexist when Obama makes reference to it

Got it.

[NJmaverick]

16. Those that have falsely claimed sexism have sold out the women's movement

for a few cheap votes for Hillary. It's a shameful act, in my opinion.

[babylonsister]

17. Duh. She was out of 'kitchen sinks'. This is stupid even for you. nt

[Saturday]

50. Not knowing what the phrase "throwing the kitchen sink" means is what's stupid. nt

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

18. And, it works, as evidenced by this clever turn of phrase, right here on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5599280#5599637

Can "iron my shirt" be far behind?

:kick:

[alphafemale]

19. Well she's already thrown the kitchen sink...so she had all those dirty dishes lying around...

Sexist? Puh--lease!

[IndianaJones]

21. sense when does women control the democrat party. nt.

[dionysus]

99. "democrat party"

your slip is showing...

:rofl:

[0007]

22. OMFG!! The lint lizards are running loose again.

[Evergreen Emerald]

25. I am curious to know if anyone of you who are now in full mode

attacking the post were in full outrage mode when someone suggested that Elite was code for uppity?

Or are you unwilling to see anything outside of your Obama glasses?

[jordi_fanclub]

32. "Obama GLASSES"... glasses?!... now THAT is sexist! (n/t)

:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. I noticed you did not answer the question...

yes. I know the answer.

[Hugabear]

102. I've been using the term "uppity" long before the 'elite' comment

I don't think Hillary expected any serious competition during the primaries. She probably anticipated a few token candidates who would all drop out after Super Tuesday. But along came this uppity Senator who refused to bow down to Hillary, and is actually challenging her. The nerve!

[mkultra]

136. elite != uppity and obama is not speaking in code

When fruitcakes with an axe to grind read things into the statments of others, they will always be vilified, just like you are now.

[SeaLyons]

27. REC

:kick:

[femrap]

31. Hey, this is America where

boys rule and the ladies take orders!:sarcasm: You must have missed that memo.

I don't know if I will be able to hold my nose tight enough to vote for BO....I'm leaning toward another woman...Cynthia McKinney of the Green.

[ProSense]

34. Wondered how long it would take before the misogyny cries turned into Obama is sexist

Sexism: the fallback argument for why Hillary is losing

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. I would assume, you of all people Prosense would not want

sexist language used. You are one who said Clinton was using racist language. I would assume you would be just as offended...

What gives Prosense?

[ProSense]

51. "What gives Prosense?" Reality. I suppose you believe Obama is linked to terrorists,

that Obama is unpatriotic, that Americans will not vote for a black man, and all the other charges leveled by Hillary?

You perception is clouded by denial and distortion.

[Evergreen Emerald]

62. So, you are ok with sexist language as long as it is used against Clinton?

credibility

[ProSense]

66. Where is the sexist language? Are you okay with Hillary's lies and

claims that Obama is linked to terrorists?

What about this?

Desperation!

[izzybeans]

37. .

:rofl:

[Buzz Clik]

38. TODAY'S WORD: SEXISM!!!!!!

yawn

[Ichingcarpenter]

68. Buzz word for today... Sexism.....

I expect at least 10 threads on it today.

Working for Wal-Mart..... Sexism
Voting for the War..........Sexism
Supporting Monsanto.....Sexism
NAFTA.........................Sexism

[Buzz Clik]

70. Oh, hell. They'll even decide that the "kitchen sink" approach is a sexist comment.

Even though it was their campaign that coined it.

:rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

82. My neighbor is a plumber and throws kitchen sinks

around the back of his truck everyday. He Installs them and removes them.

I'm gonna have to tell he now, that sinks and dishes are only used by women.

I'll be back in a little bit because I have to put some dishes in my sink in the dishwasher.

[Buzz Clik]

101. You are seriously missing the point: certain words are sexist, regardless of context.

[cliffordu]

117. SEXISM??? I THOUGHT IT WAS REZKO!!

GODDAMMIT WHERE'S THE LIST????

If you people can't eve keep track of a list of words, how are we supposed to cook the books and make her look like she has a few bucks???

What????

[Buzz Clik]

124. Rezko is the word on the second and fourth Thursday of every month.

Stay focused!

[cliffordu]

131. Awwwww Keeeeerrrriiiist!!!!

Do you have a Xanax??

[Saturday]

39. "Throwing the kitchen sink" is not sexist Obama supporters.

It is used to mean a complete and forceful effort. It is not sexist but nice try equating that and "throwing china" which IS sexist. Your dictionary/google is your friend.

[Coexist]

57. the phrase is usually 'everything BUT the kitchen sink'

I don't know the phrase you are referring to.



<a href="http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/everything+but+the+kitchen+sink">everything but the kitchen sink</a>

everything but the kitchen sink (humorous)
a lot of different things, many of which you do not need. We were only going away for the weekend, but Jack insisted on taking everything but the kitchen sink.
See also: but, everything, kitchen, sink
Cambridge International Dictionary of Idioms © Cambridge University Press 1998

everything but the kitchen sink
almost all that you can imagine of something. Here's a website that simply has everything but the kitchen sink.
Etymology: based on the idea that if you brought many things to someone, a kitchen sink is one of the last things you would bring because it is difficult to move

[Buzz Clik]

72. Everything but the kitchen sink. Would that include ... the china?

:rofl:

[butterfly77]

134. Yes...this is one of the stupidest posts I have seen yet...

[mcctatas]

42. ...

Seriously, desperation is not attractive.

[Zachstar]

46. Just yesterday I saw several Clinton supporters agreeing with a random Racist topic.

Yet that gets very little attention compared to random quotes by a candidate.

Interesting. As yet some still find these defamatory topics acceptable.

Well the thing is he has said no sexist comment. He was not the one saying Clinton was throwing the Kitchen Sink at him.

No what the bigger problem is the desperate class of Clinton Supporters DESPERATE to find ANYTHING to throw at Obama to slow him down. Y'all have failed over and over before and this is no good either.

Let me ask. If Obama wins will you vote for him in the GE?

[ecstatic]

47. HER campaign described it as the "Kitchen Sink"

Once the Kitchen Sink is empty, the China, etc. is a natural extension (as she continues to hurdle shit at Obama). It's a natural extension of Clinton's own metaphor. Get over it.

[chimpymustgo]

55. I'm not going to get over it. Tell you candidate to STOP it. He's really quite the asshole.

[dionysus]

96. here bitter shillbot,

banky will make it all better;

[gmudem]

148. Do you really not know what "kitchen sink" means?

Or are you just desperately trying to find something to be mad about?

[goclark]

54. I'm a woman and I was shocked that her camp

would use the words "kitchen sink" that is what was always a "woman's place."

He was being kind.

[rodeodance]

81. Obama had a lot of stinking garbage in his sink.

[goclark]

106. Yes, she has thrown it at him

and we "brushed it off!" :bounce:

Donating $10 for poor little Barack right now.

Thanks for the inspiration.

[Crunchy Frog]

116. Ooh! I'm just certain that statement has a racist subtext!!11!!

[Daphne08]

58. This is the most ridiculous thing I've read here in a while. n/t

[leaningprog]

60. been waiting for the knife in the back

Been supportive of women's issue and sensitive to their struggles
all of adulut life (37 years in business). I have never seen such
disparity in a campaign where a woman has basically charged her
opponent with being a plagiarist, and a closet hate monger and
terroirist sympathizer. He has avoided hundred of chances to
take any one of the huge amount of Hillary faults and lies and
simply beat her on the head with it until she was not fit to take
another step. If you have any honesty left mixed in with your emotion
you would have to admit that if Hillary was up against another woman
with a clean past history, she would have been destroyed by her own
baggage before the train left the station.

So now, throwing the china at Obama is a heinous code word that somehow
guts a woman. Very poor choices like this are reinforcing the exact
biases that I have worked with you all of my life to overcome.

Self destructing for a thankless Hillary Clinton is not my idea
of a path to full equality for women, and she will kick you to the
curb as soon as winning does not involve catering to you anymore.

[XemaSab]

114. Very well put

And I'll take it a step further by saying that if Hillary can be stopped cold by a supposed "coded" sexist remark, when Obama has openly faced charges of being sympathetic to terrorists, maybe we need someone a little thicker-skinned for the presidency.

Welcome to DU!

[Ian_rd]

64. Comedy!

I love it! 10/10! :rofl:

[TexasLady]

69. soon there will be an entire KITCHEN

sinks, china, pots, pans..

pots and pans? hmmm

[madrchsod]

71. how about a "sexist image"?

she lost texas so there`s no toasted cheese sandwich for her!

[totodeinhere]

73. You are attempting to read something into Obama's comments that is not there.

And why do you do that? Because you are a Clinton supporter who is grasping at straws.

[nichomachus]

74. Your interpretation of his remarks says more about you than about him n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

75. Kitchen sink --> kitchen --> china.

[MadHound]

77. Frankly it's come down to this

Anytime Obama opens his mouth, some Hillary staffer or supporter is going to scream sexism. Sad,pathetic, and it really is cheaping the term, especially for all those women who do suffer from sexist attitudes.

[GoesTo11]

78. Definition of sexist: If I think it's sexist, it is sexist.

Words mean what I say they mean.

Right out of Alice in Wonderland. Oops, did I just do it?

[merh]

79. Sorry, that doesn't work

Hillary is the one that publicly stated "...Well, I’m really comfortable in the kitchen ..." She asked for the dishes reference.

You are one of the most pathetic feminists I've ever come across, everything is a sexist insult - dear god, if you ever have plumbing problems at your house I hope you aren't around if plumbers have to try to rework your pipes.

[snooper2]

83. thanks...

I needed a laugh this morning...

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:


GOBAMA!

[Celebration]

84. Periodically

Clinton supporters start threads like this.

This is funny. Maybe he should have said that she was throwing all the hammers and screwdrivers in the toolbox at him. I am sure Clinton supporters would not have been critical of that.

:sarcasm:

[Hepburn]

85. Jesus Hussein Christ....

...what total bullshit...even for you.

Seek help...you are seriously fucked up. JMHO

[pettypace]

159. lmao@hussein

Awesome!

[Azathoth]

88. The other day, I heard Obama refer to Hillary as "her"

His subtle and repeated use of feminine pronouns when referring to Hillary is clear evidence of a cynical attempt to pander to the most misogynistic elements of society.

[dchill]

89. Evergreen Emerald uses sexist language in title.

Some things may not be what you want them to be. I see YOUR post as sexist. Sue me.

[MilesColtrane]

92. .

[Life Long Dem]

93. Another excuse.

But where have you been? He's been saying Hillary is throwing the kitchen sink at him for awhile now. Some materials used for sinks are stainless steel, porcelain, and china.

[whatchamacallit]

94. I bet she threw some china at Bill

I thought my relations with the opposite sex were good until I came to GD: P. I like women and they seem to like me, but after the utterly confusing and contradictory messages of her supporters, I don't know. Is she a tough warrior or a dainty flower? She's portrayed as having way more "balls" than Obama, but if you refer to her gender in any fashion at all, you're a hurtful sexist pig. Someone help me out here....

[Ichingcarpenter]

135. No, China threw some $Bills$ to Bill n/t

[dionysus]

95. um, fail much?

[Hugabear]

97. "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" - is that sexist?

Just curious as to your take on that phrase.

[Texasgal]

98. This reminds me of

"sweetie"... :eyes:

Is it at all possible to try to FOCUS and stick to the issues?

[Leftist Agitator]

104. In other news, Evergreen Emerald uses delusions in OP.

Film at 11:00.

[DefenseLawyer]

107. Don't go away mad

JUST GO AWAY!

[Imagevision]

108. Hillary can always try crying... it worked in new hampshire.

[newmajority]

109. Next Hillbot thread: "God is a sexist!! He created women second!!!"

This shit is tired and old. Like Hillary's friend McCain.

[Occam Bandage]

112. This is absolutely ridiculous. And yes, if Clinton were to say that was sexist,

she would rightly be accused of unfairly playing the gender card.

[Chisox08]

113. Your grasping at straws

Nothing in Obama's speech was sexist in anyway. Hillary threw everything at Obama but the kitchen sink then she threw the kitchen sink. After the kitchen sink came the China. I didn't know that phrase was gender specific, because I've heard that phrase used in reference to males also. Stop the negativaty and talk about what good could Hillary do for the country instead of tearing down another democrat.

[TahitiNut]

118. Poor Nell!

[fifthoffive]

119. Clinton is free to make sexist charges as soon as she stops

saying she deserves bonus points because it takes her so much longer than the guys to get ready in the morning. She plays up female stereotypes when it serves her purpose.

Please. :eyes:

[Madam Mossfern]

120. I actually did throw all the china one time

I was pissed off at my husband (then boyfriend) and had quite a bit of Japanese plum brandy. I stood on top of the kitchen table and took our dishes (hand-me-downs from his mother) and meticulously dashed the dishes to the ground one by one. I didn't actually 'throw' them. He grabbed me by my belt loops and the seat of my pants and threw me into the bedroom to sleep it off.

To tell you the truth, it was quite cathartic and felt wonderful. I highly recommend dish destruction to those of either gender.

[stillcool]

121. well...there is this....

Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

So what really happened here, anyway?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/did_hillary_play_the_gender_card.php
After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I’d call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman.:
So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.
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Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of
gathering against her." Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.
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Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

Sunday, November 4, 2007
CLINTON PLANNED TO USE GENDER CARD ALL ALONG

RON FOURNIER, AP - Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job. As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_c...

.And then there is this...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.

Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Hamlette]

122. LOLOLOLOL Someplace between 3rd grade and The Onion

this is a parody...right?

[Buzz Clik]

127. Hm. The Onion might be feeling a bit jittery about that analysis.

It kinda depends if the "between third grad and the Onion" means that the writers at the Onion are more sophisticated than your average third-grader, or less.

[NoodleyAppendage]

123. So predictable. I was wondering when or how Hillary would whip-up the "Indigent Female" vote for PA

It's like a science. Two or three days before a major primary, Hillary sends out her propaganda corp to whip up bogus materials for the media that paint Hillary as a sympathetic figure being attacked because of her gender.

Waaaa...help me women! Waaaa...I'm being attacked because I'm a woman! Help! Help! Aren't you pissed? Help!

Someone please explain to me how this pathetic ruse shows strength of character necessary to be the leader of the US.

J

[Binka]

141. Dude I Love Ya But I Think You Mean Indignant.

Indigent means poor.

[NoodleyAppendage]

168. Right you are...my bad. n/t

J

[SoCalDem]

125. Her campaign was the one who started the "kitchen sink" shit..

are there not dishes in the sink :evilgrin:

[anonymous171]

126. He was just going along with the "kitchen sink" metaphor.

[Warren DeMontague]

128. Not only that, but "China" was clearly designed to remind people that she has a VAGINA.

Clearly. :eyes:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

165. As always, the ever handy "vagina" makes an appearance!

That train is never late. :hi:

[butterfly77]

129. WTF???

some of you Hillary supporters are letting this thing about being a woman go to your heads...

[anigbrowl]

132. She's running an ad quoting Truman - '[if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'.

But I guess once you've thrown the sink all you have left is plates and cups.

[CTLawGuy]

133. I will get on the phone with

President Hu Jintao and tell him to change the name of his country at once.

[zulchzulu]

138. "angry female throwing stuff at the guy"

Well that IS what's happening.

This mealy-mouthed "eeewww, that's sexist" garbage flies right in the face of the "she's so tough" game.

Grow some skin.

[Lucky 13]

139. "Throwing stuff" is sexist?!

How's that? The only person I ever knew to throw stuff was my dad!

[NC_Nurse]

140. It was supposed to be referring to the "kitchen sink" analogy. But please,

don't let me spoil your outrage. I'm sure most voters give a fuck.

[ut oh]

143. Care to actually link to a transcript or some kind of

reference to the text of waht was said?

[gmudem]

147. Clinton supporters have gone 'round the bend

And I expect they won't return until this farce is over.

[DemGa]

150. He wouldn't say it about a man -- we all know it's true

[Vinca]

153. Clinton herself has been making references to "being in the kitchen."

In my mind, that's aiding and abetting any attempt to make a woman look weak. I really hate it. Remember back when she didn't want to be in the kitchen "baking cookies?" Now she loves the damn kitchen.

[TML]

156. What if she IS hysterical

Come on. What Democrat in their right mind would be using Bin Laden to scare Americans to the polls?

[OzarkDem]

157. Good idea

Brazile does not represent the interests of women Democrats, which I believe is supposed to be one of her responsibilities.

[WillyT]

158. Oh. My. God...

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:banghead:

:wtf:

[adoraz]

161. LOL!!!

get a life. honestly.

who the hell thinks of this kind of stuff?

[PresidentObama]

162. Idiotic post. Seriously. Nothing sexist about that at all. n/t

[Barrymores Ghost]

163. Hillary doesn't bother with racist "code"...

...her campaign designs ads that take Obama's face and darkens and flattens it, and show a sleeping little white girl in bed at 3:00 a.m., unaware of the danger outside lurking; and they send Matt Drudge a photo of Obama dressed in traditional Somali garb to portray him as a Muslim; and then, to an interviewer who asks Hillary if Barack's a Muslim, she responds, "not to my knowledge," knowing full well he's gone to the same Christian church for 20 years; oh, and she dismisses Obama as someone who "hasn't done the kind of 'spade' work to back up his promises," and her supporter, Andrew Cuomo, tells reporters that Obama can't "shuck and jive" at press conferences...and Geraldine Ferraro says he'd never be a contender if he wasn't black...

...I could go on.

[Barrymores Ghost]

164. K&R -- I want everybody to see this thread.........

......if it isn't the archetype of Hillaryous Hysteria, I can't think of another one better.