Oh. My. Clinton's FEC March Numbers are up. It doesn't look good. At All.

[berni_mccoy]

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/335594/

She spent more in March than she pulled in. She barely raised more than McCain. She's $10 MILLION IN DEBT.

But I bet she keeps paying Mark Penn over $100,000 per day.

[0007]

1. Super Dog 'Bill' will have to spring into action.

[goclark]

10. Why doesn't he let her donate about 20 million?

They want to get in the WH so much ~ it's only money. :puke:

This should be on the airways 24/7 and I have heard nothing this morning.


Who has the graph of Obama's report?
Can we post them side by side?

[Shae]

24. I'm guessing

that they don't want to throw any more of "their" money away.

[C_U_L8R]

2. Again, it's the math.

This just demonstrates in the clearest possible terms
what a poor manager Hillary is. That's no way to run a country.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. If I wanted runaway debt and deficit spending, I'd vote republican.

This ain't lookin' good, Hill.............

[Kittycat]

4. Of course she managed to pay herself back.

Clinton, Hillary 10,879.89

Then again, after this month, she'll probably be bankrupt from all the loans she has to infuse in to her campaign.

[Shae]

25. Did she pay herself back?

I didn't think she did.

edited to add: I mean, I thought she owed the $10 million, and that didn't include the $5 million loan to herself, but that the $5 million hadn't been paid back either.

[Debi]

40. No, that's the interest owed on the loan she made the campaign

She not only owes vendors and staff she now owes herself :crazy:

[NJmaverick]

5. Well imagine if she is elected President and runs the Country like this?

:scared:

[berni_mccoy]

6. We don't have to. Bush has shown us what it would be like for the last 8 years.

[meow mix]

7. Contributions in PA and NY

Obama NY 3.2 million
Hillary NY 2.3 million


Obama PA 1.5 million
Hillary PA 534,000

[meow mix]

8. her debts is causing me carpal tunnel, why does she never pay schools?

dang..
texas A&M seems like a long time ago.

[powergirl]

14. Wow! I thought she had NY and PA sewn up

That is amazing. So, the state of the primary election is as follows: Obama is ahead in the popular vote, elected delegates, number of states won, and the amount of money raised in PA, the current battle ground. Good information meow mix. :toast:

[berni_mccoy]

18. Thanks for that post. Puts a whole new perspective on it.

[meow mix]

46. her supporters are not inspired, many wont bother to leave the house.

:hi:

[Coexist]

9. not good

[AllexxisF1]

11. This should be Larry King's....

This should be Larry Kings first question. "Hillary after seeing the FCC filling and how you run your campaign how in God's green (semi brown and dying) Earth could you run this country".

[Shae]

29. In yer dreams.

I expect that he'll lob her softball after softball. I don't expect anything of that interview, except that it will be an Obama trashing.

[roguevalley]

44. maybe keith will ask her.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. "10 million in debt" is misleading

She has 31.7 million in cash; she has 10.3 million in unpaid bills - which she can therefore repay. But her net cash is about $21.4 million, compared to Obama's $50.4 million.

That $10 million doesn't includes the $5 million dollar loan she made to her own campaign in January. So, in a sense, her net cash is $16.4 million.

On edit: I can't see these figures from those FEC pages, but there is any interesting twict - those figure are overall donations/expenditure; some of the donations have to be spent on the general election, not the primaries. According to AP:

Clinton reported raising $20 million in March and had $9 million for the primary available at the beginning of April. But she also reported debts of $10.3 million, putting her in the red.

Overall, Obama had $51 million in the bank at the end of March, with nearly $9 million of that available only for the general election.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcoilzhWtvfWBl2MqCAEW8J3UQKgD90633NG0

So her primary campaign is in overall debt.

What happens to 'general election' donations to a candidate that doesn't run in it? Do they get to give them to the nominee, to other Democrats for congressional elections, or what?

[Spazito]

15. Actually, it is much worse....

She began April with only 9 million because the rest can only be used in the general, according to this article:

Financial reports filed Sunday by the Democratic presidential candidates with the Federal Election Commission show Clinton had $10.3 million in debts at the start of the month and only about $9 million cash on hand for the primaries. Obama reported having $42 million for the primary.

snip

Clinton, who had kept pace with Obama financially throughout last year, had even less cash on hand than Republican John McCain. McCain raised $15.2 million in March and had $11.6 million in the bank at the start of April. It was his best fundraising performance of the campaign, coming after he had essentially secured his party's presidential nomination.

more

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080421/NEWS01/80421009

So it seems she owes 10 million, not including her loan, and had only 9 million in hand at the end of March.

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Yep ,I just that too

Do you know the answer to the question I tacked on to my post above - what happens to general election donations to a candidate who doesn't then run? Are they returned, the candidate gets to pass them on to another Democrat (whether running for President, Congress or whatever), or what?

[Spazito]

17. I believe they are returned to the donors if the candidate doesn't

win the primary but I stand to be corrected on this.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

20. This is my understanding as well

This is from donations which exceeded the amount allowed per donor. The excess will then be returned to the donors for them do with as they choose.

[Debi]

42. They may be able to 'roll' those over into a different campaign

so she could possibly roll the general election funds into her Senate reelection campaign. (I hope somebody corrects me if I'm wrong on this)

[Debi]

41. She can't use general elections funds to pay primary debt

it is as bad as it looks.

[momster]

13. McCain has 11.6

according to the Washington Post...you remember McCain, right? The putative Republican nominee?

[rainbow4321]

19. K&R!

[berni_mccoy]

21. UH OH! Somethings VERY WRONG WITH CLINTON'S FILING: 8 MILLION BROUGHT IN ON LAST DAY!

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/C00431569/A_DATE_C00431569.html

[book_worm]

22. maybe Hillary made a loan to her campaign again?

[berni_mccoy]

23. To Inflate her miserable contributions? Wow.

[grantcart]

26. great catch

[onenote]

35. not a great catch.

I'm an Obama supporter and if I can make a suggestion: before claiming that the Clinton campaign has done something suspicious or improper, take a minute to check the Obama campaign's reporting and see if, just maybe, its not that anyone is doing something wrong, but that its the way the reporting system works.

Look at Obama's February numbers,and in particular, Feb 29. THen think about asking the mods to delete this subthread:

DATE SUM
January 28, 2008 2,300.00
February 01, 2008 652,485.99
February 02, 2008 539,704.63
February 03, 2008 483,197.45
February 04, 2008 956,854.40
February 05, 2008 425,396.70
February 06, 2008 4,091,696.86
February 07, 2008 2,834,660.74
February 08, 2008 1,424,311.63
February 09, 2008 826,776.37
February 10, 2008 1,451,267.33
February 11, 2008 1,189,589.66
February 12, 2008 868,351.55
February 13, 2008 1,531,160.06
February 14, 2008 918,212.97
February 15, 2008 855,113.46
February 16, 2008 453,086.86
February 17, 2008 344,872.85
February 18, 2008 672,195.88
February 19, 2008 1,148,041.62
February 20, 2008 1,622,719.81
February 21, 2008 1,601,283.51
February 22, 2008 1,402,582.29
February 23, 2008 284,105.79
February 24, 2008 360,872.96
February 25, 2008 1,017,255.11
February 26, 2008 793,659.67
February 27, 2008 833,975.72
February 28, 2008 607,361.28
February 29, 2008 25,492,495.43

[grantcart]

36. good point I wonder why it accumulates all on one day?

[KSinTX]

43. The campaigns pitch last day contributions to supporters so monthly totals look good (nt)

[SoonerPride]

30. Nah, they just deposited another check from Colombia.

:)

[onenote]

33. I don't think that's an indication of anything being "wrong"

It has to do with how the campaign reports the money, not when its raised.

See Obama's February report for an even more dramatic version of this same thing:


DATE SUM

February 01, 2008 652,485.99
February 02, 2008 539,704.63
February 03, 2008 483,197.45
February 04, 2008 956,854.40
February 05, 2008 425,396.70
February 06, 2008 4,091,696.86
February 07, 2008 2,834,660.74
February 08, 2008 1,424,311.63
February 09, 2008 826,776.37
February 10, 2008 1,451,267.33
February 11, 2008 1,189,589.66
February 12, 2008 868,351.55
February 13, 2008 1,531,160.06
February 14, 2008 918,212.97
February 15, 2008 855,113.46
February 16, 2008 453,086.86
February 17, 2008 344,872.85
February 18, 2008 672,195.88
February 19, 2008 1,148,041.62
February 20, 2008 1,622,719.81
February 21, 2008 1,601,283.51
February 22, 2008 1,402,582.29
February 23, 2008 284,105.79
February 24, 2008 360,872.96
February 25, 2008 1,017,255.11
February 26, 2008 793,659.67
February 27, 2008 833,975.72
February 28, 2008 607,361.28
February 29, 2008 25,492,495.43

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html

[Spazito]

39. That is VERY interesting, given that, up till that time, the most

reported per day was 998,953.09 for March 19th. I can't help but wonder if some of the 8 million will have to be paid back to "contributors" in April. I am wondering because when one looks at this filing, you find this:

Refunds of Contributions To:
(a) Individuals/Persons Other Than Political Committees 167,062.47

Is this a way of loaning a campaign money without it showing as a loan with the promise of re-payment almost immediately through the category of "Refunds of Contributions"?

[redqueen]

27. Yeah... that's the candidate we want to put up against the GOP...

the one who can't manage a frickin budget.

:eyes:

[berni_mccoy]

28. Talk about problems of electability. She can't raise money and she spends uncontrollably

And where did that 8 million come from on the last day of March?

[redqueen]

31. Can't wait to find out...

her whole campaign is such a joke.

Putting that cast of morons up against the GOP in the fall would be educational, though.

[Shae]

34. That's a very good question.

Is there any way to find out?

[Hamlette]

32. What's with this Mark Penn gets paid over $100,000 per day stuff?

I've heard it before but didn't know where it came from. Is she really paying him $3 million A MONTH?

$1 million every 10 days?

[berni_mccoy]

37. Look at the payees from her FEC Filing

Link: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/C00431569/B_PAYEE_C00431569.html

Penn pulled in almost 3 million dollars for March for his firm. For February, he pulled in over 3 million. That's an average of about 100,000 per day.

[berni_mccoy]

38. LATEST FILING: CLINTON PAYS MARK PENN $3 MILLION FOR MARCH!

Just under 100,000 per day for month of March.

[meow mix]

45. lol k&r

[ORDem]

47. K

:kick: