Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Judgment Day looms for Hillary Clinton the wrecker

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:15 AM
Original message
Judgment Day looms for Hillary Clinton the wrecker
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article3778978.ece


Even after all the hype, this Tuesday’s vote in Pennsylvania will be a watershed primary election. This isn’t because it could determine whether Hillary Clinton’s campaign continues on its brutal, nihilistic path towards the destruction of the most promising figure in the Democratic party since Kennedy.

...

For a month now, Obama has been pummelled by a Democrat in ways I have never witnessed in a primary campaign. Senator Hillary Clinton has directly argued that he is less qualified to be commander-in-chief than the Republican nominee, John McCain. She has said that she doesn’t know for sure that he is not a secret Muslim. She has said his choice of church is unacceptable to her. She has said he deliberately wants many Americans to continue scraping by without health insurance.

Her campaign has insinuated that he was once a drug dealer. Her husband has equated him with the rabble-rousing preacher Jesse Jackson. The Clintons have publicly associated Obama with domestic terrorist William Ayers, with the militant Palestinian group Hamas, and with antisemitic demagogue Louis Farrakhan. And what is remarkable about all this is that most of it was not done by surrogates, but by a former president of the United States against a senator in his own party, and directly by Clinton herself. Every time you think: “Nah, they won’t go there, will they?” – they do.

...

This is a swing state. For the Clintons baldly to coopt exactly the kind of antielitist rhetoric used to marginalise Democrats by Republicans for three decades is to take the campaign warfare to a whole new level of earth-scorching.

...

This, the Clintonites tell us, is what the Republicans will do to Obama this autumn. So we’re only showing you! The strategy is to persuade super-delegates that only the Clinton brand can withstand Rove-style attacks, and so foment a revolution before or at the convention to dislodge the candidate with the most pledged delegates and the greatest number of popular votes.

They are, of course, only doing this for the sake of their party, their country and the world. That the tactic also correlates with the Clintons’ recapturing control of a party that was finally moving past them is pure coincidence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:19 AM
Response to Original message
1. 343 posts in 45 days. Good job Hillary basher. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. What, in that article, is not true?
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 08:21 AM by galaxy21
And I havn't always bashed her. I even said she was more electable that Barack. However, she can't take the nimonation without making herself unelectable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Nothing- This is another repuke tactic
Like when people were rightful upset with George Bush. The repukes tried to mariginalize them by calling them Bush haters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. Exactly right
It is also a GOP tactic to attack the character of the messenger!

All that aside, the article is spot on! It is sad to see how low Sen. Clinton has been willing to go...even as recently as the last debate. Her attempt to keep the issue on Sen. Obama's pastor's patriotism and judgment was the worst kind of dirty politics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Hillary is a DU basher, so that's not a bad thing
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #1
19. you know it cracks me up when folks around get offended
and start sputtering post counts and how long someone has been a member of DU, as if that means anything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
20. scaife endorsed hilarity. explain that. Unless you don't think the
backing of someone who called you a murderer, funded the harassment of your family for ten years and attacked your daughter a bad thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:20 AM
Response to Original message
2. This is one Democrat who always defended the Clintons
and was always willing to support them. That will NEVER happen again. They have burned their bridges with me, with their desperate attempt to sieze power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:26 AM
Response to Original message
6. I must have missed this ad:
"Not since the Clintons ran radio ads in 1996, bragging that they had defended American values from homosexuals, had the adoption of pure Republican tactics been so obvious. And this time, it was against a Democrat."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:27 AM
Response to Original message
7. Thanks for the post. Judgment Day really captures the reality of the situation.
"For the Clintons baldly to coopt exactly the kind of antielitist rhetoric used to marginalise Democrats by Republicans for three decades is to take the campaign warfare to a whole new level of earth-scorching."

Wow...the truth hurts. The old style politics must go away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:35 AM
Response to Original message
8. Andrew Sullivan voted for George W. Bush and is a conservative.
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 08:36 AM by Maddy McCall
No wonder you didn't post the name of the author of that hit piece.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Not all conservatives are bad people
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 08:47 AM by galaxy21
Most conservatives are pretty appalled with Bush and Co nowadays anyway.


I'm sorry, just the idea someone opinions don't count because they're - GASP!- a conservative is ridiculous. Only liberals are entitled to an opinion?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Again Maddy, what about the article is untrue. I don't care who wrote it!
Nothing. Hillary is not better than a republican and a war monger to boot as exemplified by her policy against Iran and her vote for Kyl/Lieberman. Watch Meet the Press today.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:20 AM
Response to Original message
11. K&R...number 5 off to the greatest page.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
12. Time to get the forks out..........
It going to finally be over!


GOBAMA!


:party:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
14. I will never understand the Clinton's argument: "we fight just as ugly as the Rethugs"
so vote for us, as if that's something to admire? Really its not. Its disgusting. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1996 when I was first old enough to vote. I disliked the Rethug Revolution and Newt Gingrich and his cronies. I admired Bill Clinton for his toughness and tenacity and the country in general did not want to see his presidency taken down for something so insignificant as an affair with a floozy. Now, I don't even recognize the Clintons. They should know better, knowing the level of ugliness they faced from Rethugs. I get that John Kerry should have fought back harder against swiftboating. But fighting back is one thing, tearing down a member of your same party is quite another. You can be tough and fight back against the Rethug charges without going down to the gutter. Obama got popular with Dems by being positive, not negative. I think and hope that by 2008 most people in the US are sick and tired of this strategy. I don't care if it "works". It works at what cost to this country?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
15. Recommending this post
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
16. Nihilistic!! LOL!!! Reminded me of the scene from The Big Lebowski:

Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?

Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.
Nihilist: Ve don't care. Ve still vant ze money, Lebowski, or ve fuck you up.
Walter Sobchak: Fuck you. Fuck the three of you.
The Dude: Hey, cool it Walter.
Walter Sobchak: No, without a hostage, there is no ransom. That's what ransom is. Those are the fucking rules.

Nihilist #2: His girlfriend gave up her toe!
Nihilist #3: She though we'd be getting million dollars!
Nihilist #2: Iss not fair!
Walter Sobchak: Fair! WHO'S THE FUCKING NIHILIST HERE! WHAT ARE YOU, A BUNCH OF FUCKING CRYBABIES?


:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
17. This is a GREAT Article! Thanks!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:28 AM
Response to Original message
18. Andrew Sullivan? LOL!
The same Andrew Sullivan who characterized liberals as a treasonous fifth column huddling in its coastal enclaves plotting to hand America over to the Islamists? That Andrew Sullivan?

The Andrew Sullivan who gave national exposure to The Bell Curve, which he still describes as one of his proudest accomplishments?

The Andrew Sullivan who got rich by attacking "gay promiscuity" who ran ads seeking bareback sex under the name "RawMuscleGlutes"?

It should scare you to death that Andrew Sullivan is suddenly on your side.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 06:24 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC