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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:37 PM
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Saw something that worries me
"Swami" is journalist Jesse Kornbluth. This is from his blog on Beliefnet.com.

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Call to Action: Write John McCain
June 25, 2004 | 4:00 p.m.

Like many of you, Swami watched John McCain's television appearances over the last few months with ever-increasing admiration. Here was a guy who wrote a book about courage--but never once mentioned his long, brave stint as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. Here was a guy slimed by Bush operatives in the 2000 South Carolina primary--and yet he refused to "go there" when interviewers asked if he felt he'd been robbed of the Republican nomination that year.

In those interviews, it was clear that McCain has been exasperated by White House policy in Iraq and at home. And so some Democrats dared to dream he'd be John Kerry's running mate. Kerry and McCain apparently had some theoretical conversations that went nowhere. Still, some of us hoped that McCain could occupy an important post in a Kerry administration--say, Secretary of Defense (if Wesley Clark somehow didn't get that job).

Last week, McCain campaigned with the President and endorsed the President's strategy in Iraq. And now there's talk that Vice President Cheney--citing "health reasons" (or his need to prepare his legal defense in case he's indicted for leaking the name of a CIA undercover agent)--will step down and MCain will become Bush's running mate. In that scenario, Bush gains a remarkable asset: a man of unquestioned integrity. In that scenario, Bush rises in the polls and steams to victory in November.

Some of Swami's friends are beside themselves with anxiety. Swami hears them. And as one who would welcome Bush's return to Texas, Swami would like to short-circuit the Bush-McCain ticket. Unlike certain Republicans, however, Swami would like to do this on the spiritual level--that is, with ethics as the centerpiece of his argument.

So Swami has written a letter to John McCain. Maybe you'd like to write one of your own. Or, if you're feeling lazy, cut and paste Swami's text into the e-mail form. McCain's address: Contact Sen. McCain. (Swami scrolled down to the bottom of the list of TOPICS, and chose "other").

Swami's letter:

President Bush has not asked you to be his running mate this fall. He may not ask. But if he does--and you agree to run as his Vice President--it will be too late to send you this letter. Indeed, it will be too late to do much more than mourn for your fall from grace.

Right now, you occupy a rare place of honor in American politics. You are a man of integrity, not owned by special interests. You not only have a conscience, you use it. And what you say is what you mean--you don't create verbal loopholes that allow you to wiggle out of your opinions should they become inconvenient.

President Bush, on the other hand, is a man of self-proclaimed integrity whose actions don't square with his words. In Iraq and at home, he has minimal credibility. He has many slogans but few ideas. And the men and women who work for him seem to spend more time giving him deniability than achieving anything good for the American people.

Were you to be his running mate, your integrity would cover many of his sins. But only for a whole. As you know, values almost never flow upward --- it's just the other way. So President Bush's lack of integrity would inevitably erode your honor. Your place in history would be tarnished. Many of your admirers--myself included--would probably become detractors.

I understand you may want to run for President in 2008. Though I am not a Republican, I would happily cast my vote for you. But the way to get that nomination is not to serve four years as Bush's Vice President. If asked, please tell him: "Thanks, but no thanks."

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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:54 PM
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1. McCain was one of the Keating six...
...I sure would hate to see that brought up again in a campaign where he was running for VP.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:30 PM
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4. Exactly. I think there's enough dirt to dig up from that time that might
possibly make McCain sort of an embarrassment.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 01:05 PM
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2. This was the main discussion I had
A theoretical VP McCain on the Kerry ticket locks up the man from Bush. As you can see "Cheney out-McCain in Gambit" could be the boost that Bush needs to gain enough mo to once again make it close to stealing,

McCain is not an ideal VP for us and conjecture is all it is from me. The interesting aspect is that how the Rs will rationalize super Dick Cheney's departure other than for health reasons. To do otherwise would connote his background of Haliburton dealings, and more, as bad.
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Lefty Pragmatist Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:08 PM
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3. McCain isn't one of "the club"
and the digust between both camps within the GOP seems to be mutual. I doubt McCain would sign up to be ignored for 4 years, and it's obvious in this administration what happens to you if you ever think for yourself.

Further, I don't think President Cheney is willing to step down.
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 04:37 PM
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5. My Take On This
First, can Cheney be indicted? I don't believe so. Although, not sure. The President can not be indicted. The President can be named as a unindicted coconspirator.

Secondly, I think McCain would take the VP, if offered by Bush. Bush could care less if they don't like each other as long as it helps him win. McCain wouldn't mind being ignored for four years if it gives him an advantage in running for President in 2008. And it would. If Cheney resigned for whatever reason, Bush could even name McCain VP now.

Third, a Bush-McCain ticket would be tough. Lots of swing voters would be inclined to vote for Bush because they like McCain.
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Lefty Pragmatist Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 06:10 PM
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6. Bush will pardon everybody who served in his administration
on his last day in office, and there's not a thing anybody can do about it.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 06:14 PM
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7. I never will
understand the McCain phenomenon on this board. McCain is a pro-life, right wing Republican - not the second coming of Wellstone he's sometimes presented as being around here.
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 07:26 PM
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9. McCain
Well, I certainly don't agree with lots of things that McCain supports. Nevertheless, he does seem to have an appeal to middle of the road voters. Some of it is personality and a belief that he is a straight shooter.
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 07:31 PM
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11. He won't change my vote
Kerry can choose anyone for VP and I'm going to vote for him. It's the "undecideds" that we have to worry about. A Bush/Cheney ticket is one thing. A Bush/McCain ticket is something else entirely. I wouldn't vote for them, but there are plenty of swing voters who would.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 07:18 PM
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8. I think it's important in picking a VP
that Kerry consider how he can counter a Bush/McCain ticket. IMO, I think this would do it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x552928

By focusing on the themes of non-partisanship AND accountability, if the Republicans where to tap someone else for Bush's VP, it would be very difficult for them to counter this message. Even if they were to replace Cheney with a Republican non-partisan like McCain. Inherent in supporting Bush for re-election (by joining his ticket) is putting partisan politics and desire for political power ahead of doing what is right for this country (holding Bush accountable for what he has done to this country).
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 07:29 PM
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10. Strange Election Year
I can't remember another election year where the challenger had to consider the possibility that the current VP might be replaced after the challenger named his VP. No doubt about it, Clark would be the best choice with Cheney or McCain.
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