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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:14 PM
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Reporter To Wolfson: What Does Hillary Think Of Bill's Pardons Of Weather Underground Members?
Reporter To Wolfson: What Does Hillary Think Of Bill's Pardons Of Weather Underground Members?

By Greg Sargent - April 17, 2008, 11:10AM

David Corn of Mother Jones and Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson went at it hard on the Hillary conference call today -- with Corn repeatedly demanding to know what Hillary thinks of the fact that her husband pardoned two members of the Weather Underground.

Wolfson said he'd ask her. It's probably a question that the Hillary campaign will be pressed on in the days ahead.

Hillary hit Obama hard over his ties to former Weather Underground member William Ayers at the debate yesterday. And on the call today, Hillary advisers kept up the pressure, pointing out that Ayers hosted an event at his home for Obama when he ran for state senator and that this was a legitimate topic for journalistic scrutiny.

It's an intriguing move, to say the least. The Clinton camp was so eager to get Ayers' name into the political conversation that they were willing to risk not one, but two possible blowbacks: First, the inevitable criticism they'll take for going so negative; and second, questions about Bill's pardons.

~snip~

Read the rest here, includes audio: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/reporter_to_wolfson_what_does.php
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:17 PM
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1. Remember she and her husband discuss EVERYTHING
so by her own admission she knew about the commutations of those sentences. (Unless she lied - again)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:34 PM
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14. one of the chicago seven became a stock broker. now we're supposed
to boycott stockbrokers. what an asshole the hillary geek is.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:18 PM
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2. At the height of Clinton hypocrisy lies stupidity
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:19 PM
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3. If she wants to claim her husband's accomplishments as hers
She'll have to claim his baggage as well.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:22 PM
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4. Good-since she wants to make w-underground a campaign issue-follow through on that question!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:22 PM
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5. I hope the media is gearing up to hit McCain with his past
I really hope that at least one or two media types will grill McCain on all the shit he gets a pass for. Or is this just a game they play with Dems?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:23 PM
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6. Her campaign never thinks beyond the present. nt
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:25 PM
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10. Yes, but Obama
has a closer relationship to Ayers than she has to the person who commuted their sentences...

Good one Hill. Another good decision.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:29 PM
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11. Ouch!
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 12:36 PM by rox63
Bill's her husband, and Ayers is a fellow U of C faculty and board member of Obama's. Which relationship do you think would be closer?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:34 PM
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15. Zing!
:rofl:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:50 PM
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18. Thats because....
it's the debth of the medias intellect. If they were to go back and scratch up the leaves in the compost pile they may find a rotten apple core or something. That, does not not fit into the equashun when the media needs to pick their President.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:24 PM
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7. Hillary was dodging sniper fire that day...
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:24 PM
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8. Fair question. She was there, right?
Ready to answer the phone or some shit like that?

What's she got to say about that?

:shrug:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:25 PM
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9. It'll be blamed on....
lack of sleep. The old standard lack of sleep excuse that keeps popping it's head up.

I am surprised the pundits don't preface each question with 'before we ask this, were you awake?'

Rest assured something ridiculous will be sputtered out there and the media will watch for the Kool-Aid man to bust through a wall or something.

Fruity flavored/Cherry Bonanza Kool-Aid.

Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid tastes Great...wish I had some, can't wait" New abRNC jingle?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:29 PM
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13. Yeah, she was sleeping while Bill was pardoning them
Oy! :banghead:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:38 PM
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16. Thats the most...
sleepinous bunch I ever heard of in my life.

Phuck, man!

I guess if she becomes Pres. the Secret Service will have to walk around with bull horns every morning a hollering "GET UP_GET UP"!!!!!!1!!

"Just 5 more minutes...PLEEEEESE"

"SHUT UP! GET UP!!!! "Ya got a few pardons to whip up real quick"...now GET_UP!!!

:sarcasm:
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:29 PM
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12. Larry Johnson debunks yet another Obama follower talking point
Hillary, The Weather is Just Fine
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm with expertise combating terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC's Nightline, NBC's Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria. From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward. From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.See Authors Posts (570) on April 16, 2008 at 9:57 PM in Current Affairs

Nice try Barack, but your lame effort to claim that Hillary has the same kind of Weather Underground problem that you do is nonsense. Let’s put the facts side by side:

Barack Obama:

A thirteen year relationship with William Ayers, an unrepentant member of the Weather Underground. Ayers did not do jail time because the FBI botched the evidence. Ayers stated on 9-11 that he regretted not planting more bombs. And what did Barack do? Barack continued to appear in public with Ayers. Barack accepted campaign cash from Ayers. Barack gave money, with help from Ayers, to a group that backs Palestinian’s tied to the PLO. Barack was doing this as recently as 2002.

Hillary Clinton:

No relationship with unrepentant members of the Weather Underground. Hillary’s husband, Bill Clinton, pardoned two members of the Weather Underground who had been convicted and served significant time in prison. One of these was Susan Rosenberg. Hillary was not consulted and did not lobby on behalf of Rosenberg and her cohort. Hillary has not solicited or taken campaign funds from the Weather Underground. Hillary does not sit on any board with any member of the Weather Underground.

Got it?

Welcome to the bizarro world of Barack Obama. He is personal friends with an unrepentant terrorist and takes his campaign donations and claims this is the same as Hillary being married to the President who pardoned two members of the Weather Underground who had served six years in prison. And Rosenberg actually apologized for her crime.

I disagree with Bill Clinton’s decision. I think he was wrong. But I blame him, not Hillary. Hillary did not put him up to it and Hillary did not benefit from the decision. So what is Senator Obama’s point? Hillary is not friends with an unrepentant terrorist. Barack is. Explain that one to us Mr. Obama.



Funny Obama supporters belittle her role as first lady yet they claimed she had enough influence over Bill Clinto to get a pardons for the weather undground.. Nice try David Corn.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:10 PM
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23. Let me help you with your ignorance, dear.
Much as that demented racist, Johnson may wish it, Obama doesn't have a WU problem. He was a child when they were active, and by the time he met Ayers, Ayers was a Professor of Ed at U of I and an accepted member of liberal society in Chicago. The racist freak you are relying on is lying. Obama is not personal friends with Ayer. They're acquaintances. They served on the board of a prominent anti-poverty non-profit together. Woods gave him a small campaign contribution years ago. now please, stop spreading filthy lies from racist pigs.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:40 PM
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17. I certainly hope she will be asked this repeatedly.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:52 PM
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19. They might ask about some of the other pardons, especially
the Mark Rich pardon that resulted in big bucks after-the-fact.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:58 PM
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20. Didn't the former Mrs. Rich make a large contribution to the Clinton Library around then? n/t
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:08 PM
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21. KnR
:kick:
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:09 PM
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22. The story has hit CNN now
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:13 PM
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24. That's what happens with kamikaze style campaigns
She will say anything to try to win and now this will hurt her more than it ever did Obama. Way to go.

:applause:
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