San Francisco ~~ IMO, it's a Buzz Word

[Hepburn]

Maybe because I have lived on the West Coast for over 45 years ~~ although all of it in SoCal ~~ that the label "San Francisco" to me means "gay" and that when certain pols use this terms over and over in negative statements, it is very offensive beyond just a dig at a beutiful Calif city where a lot of liberals live. To me, what is going on is gay bashing that is not very well hidden.

What prompted this thread was that on another thread I posted that "San Francisco" was a "code word" for "gay." I see all the recent linking of the "bitter" debate always labeled with having been done in San Francisco as being a whole ton of gay bashing and a way to promote in rural areas that Obama runs secretly with the wealthy gay crowd. The "closed door" remark to me was also a clue as to what the real message was. If this had not been said in San Francisco at a closed fund raiser, I doubt if the Hillary campaign would have given it much notice.

Any thoughts on this?

[maddiejoan]

1. Or

maybe it's just because he said it in San Francisco.

:shrug:

[TheWraith]

50. So saying "San Francisco Liberals" every 47 seconds isn't code for gay?

I'm sure the Republicans will be happy to hear that. :eyes:

[maddiejoan]

55. sure it is

but that's not what Hillary did.

All she did was mention the name of the City that Obama made his remarks.

:shrug:

[TheWraith]

108. And you'd feel the same way if a Republican did that?

Be honest with yourself: It's a "San Franciso homosexuals" line of approach. For crying out freakin' loud, the event wasn't even IN SF. It was somewhere near SF in Northern Cali, but they want the San Francisco angle.

[kenny blankenship]

2. You know: "The City By Teh Gay"

Or is it Bi Teh Gay?

Could go either way.

[Symarip]

5. You're doing it wrong.

It's 'ghey'

[kenny blankenship]

44. Maybe so, but I've never had any complaints

Not before today anyway.

[Hepburn]

8. Yep......

...unfortunately, I can remember jokes about SF being gay all the way back to when I was in HS in Calif.

I am wondering if those outside the state are aware of what the term "San Francisco values" really appears to refer to: IMO, it means that the speaker would like to spew out "gay lifestyle" but is trying to not look terribly like a total homophobic asshole.

[Symarip]

3. It's easy to throw San Fran under the bus.

California is in the tank for the D's regardless, and they've already voted so...

Under the bus with ya!

[PBS Poll-435]

4. Maybe the problem is with you...

..."San Francisco" to me means "gay"...

[Hepburn]

15. Yes, as a code word..

...it most certainly does and it is offensive as hell. I have only been in the state of Calif for over 45 years now...and when SF is used in a negative way, that has always been the underlying meaning which ultimately comes out.

What is your problem with picking open the scab that so many are trying to hide under when they say stupid things like "San Francisco values?" What they mean is: "Gay lifestyle." The asshole speaker just does not want to look like and/or admit that he/she is a homophobe.

Why the hell do you think that some many of the Repukes refer to Pelosi's "San Francisco values?" What exactly do you think they were slamming? Liberals or something? It's that the city has a very high population of gays. That is what is being slammed and it offensive as all hell. If you are not offended...well, I don't know what I can say.

[PBS Poll-435]

23. So, on this subject you find yourself in kinship with the Repukes?

I don't have that reaction.

San Francisco = FOG
San Francisco = '89 Earthquake
San Francisco = Near Napa
San Francisco = Trollies
San Francisco = Rice-a-Roni
San Francisco = Giants
San Francisco = Golden Gate Bridge
San Francisco = Setting of WB's "Charmed"
San Francisco = The Wall St of the West
San Francisco = Home of the Trans America Building (Which a relative-of-mine helped design)

[Hepburn]

26. I am worried about you...

...I think what you posted actually makes sense in the world in which you dwell.

Get well soon...:hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

30. Haha....

You too, Sweetie!

:hi:

[Hepburn]

33. LOL...

....take care...:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

6. The rw nutjobs I know here in Louisiana commonly use "San Francisco" as a code word for "gay."

"San Francisco" = "faggot" or "LIEbrul" or both. I have heard it used this way a brazillion times.

[MattBaggins]

80. I'm surprised we don't

hear much about the "New York Liberal" anymore.

[CountAllVotes]

7. I don't think of it that way at all

as a 5th generation San Franciscan that is ... :D

[BlooInBloo]

9. Everyone knows it. Say it to hicks in order to elicit one and only one response.

[Hepburn]

17. Yes, a former asshole in-law of mine would start talking in a lisp...

...and act swishy each time San Francisco came up in some political discussion. No doubt what this jackass thought of the city.

What a disgusting POS this asshole was...an idiot from rural Ohio. So...maybe this is a limited exposure, but I have gotta think that those in rural areas are very aware what the code word San Franciso means.

[BlooInBloo]

20. Oh pith-poth queenie!

[smiley_glad_hands]

10. A buzzword only used in republican frames (until now). It also means liberal. eom

[MonkeyFunk]

11. sounds like it's YOUR problem

that you think San Francisco = gay.

[CountAllVotes]

14. I agree with that statement

to me being a San Franciscan means you have something called "class" as my father used to say. I don't necessarily think it means "gay" unless you mean party mode gay.

SF has a long tradition of having many different sorts of persons having lived there. My City by the Bay has one hell of a history that goes far beyond being "gay" to it.

[Hepburn]

21. I agree..

...except when a pol is using it in a negative connection. We all know then what they mean. What do you think it means when some RW refers to Nancy Pelosi's "San Francisco values?" That is some kind of compliment?

I think not.

[CountAllVotes]

22. I could give a sh*t what some politician thinks

and any REAL San Franciscan will tell you that too! :D :D :D

[Hepburn]

28. I just do NOT like it being used as a negative code word...

...and I resent the hell out of it. I am not a life long San Franciscan, but I sure as hell love the city and hate to see it used in a bad way to slam any of the people who live there.

[CountAllVotes]

34. some of the most conservative folks I know

are in fact San Franciscans. Yes - this is a true statement albeit "shocking" to some people. :eyes:

:kick:

[Hepburn]

39. I was up there two weeks ago for a memorial service for a friend...

...and, yeah, it was an older crowd ~~ all but a few of us from the SF area ~~ and I would have to agree that when the chatting turned to things political, there were quite a few conservatives there. I do have to add that many of them were retired military and that group does tend to be more conservative than average.

[MattBaggins]

71. This is all true

but the issue is what does "San Fransisco Liberal" mean. For a large portion of the country is code word for gay. It is just like all the people who never heard the more offensive version of "eeni meeni meini moe" and think that people over react when they cringe at hearing it.

[Hepburn]

19. When used negatively by pols...

....it sure does. Where have you been hiding that you are not aware of the anti-gay message which is going out each time some RW pol refers to SF values. You think that just means liberal? That means gay and everyone in California knows the bullshit that is going on.

And...I consider slams against gays ~~ no matter how covered ~~ to be much more than just MY problem. But...if you don't care and don't see it as your problem, too...I don't know what to tell you about why EVERYONE should be treated equally.

[Shakespeare]

41. No, the OP simply recognizes the politically expedient use of a code word.

As do most of us.

[Hepburn]

51. Thanks for the post....

...I was wondering how many saw it this way, too. For far too long and in an ugly manner, people ~~ particularly pols ~~ have used the name of that city to make covert slams against certain members of society, gay people.

JMHO

[MonkeyFunk]

52. That's one helluva secret code.

Obama was in San Francisco when he said it. So Hillary, cleverly, uses "San Francisco" to mean "San Francisco". Genius. Alan Turing himself would've had a hard time cracking that one.

[Shakespeare]

56. Bullshit.

There's been more emphasis by her campaign on the SF bit than there has on the more damning thing he actually said, about their clinging to guns and god.

And you know that's true.

[Hepburn]

62. IMO...

...it was obvious as to what the true import of what she was doing.

Mega wedge issue...beyond guns...OMG...Obama was with GAY people! That is why she continuously noted he was in San Francisco. Not just with LIBERAL...but with GAY liberals.

[MonkeyFunk]

85. No

You're being ridiculous. It was bad enough when you guys thought saying his name was an underhanded attack. NOw mentioning what city he's in is an attack.

Seriously, I believe most of you have gone batshit crazy.

[Shakespeare]

88. No, I'm not being ridiculous.

And if you're suggesting that the right (and in this specific case the Clinton campaign) does not use San Francisco as code for "scary gay people," then you're being completely disingenuous. Since you've lived in SF, I KNOW you know better.

Am I suggesting she's a homophobe? Nope, I don't believe for one second that's the case. But I DO think she's dangling that code word out there to get the attention of, shall we say, the less evolved voters (hence my earlier mention of political expediency).

I'm not a "you guys," either. I was an Edwards supporter, and if we REALLY wanted a great, liberal candidate, we'd be voting for Elizabeth Edwards right now (one of the few prominent dems who is openly and unapologetically in favor of gay marriage). Not going to happen, but that's where my heart lies.

[Hepburn]

91. I am in total agreement with you...

...and am a former Edwards supporter, too!

[Shakespeare]

94. I did some very basic research to track down the history of this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5530874

:hi:

[Hepburn]

97. Excellent and interesting thread....

...read and bookmarked! And I added a rec. Gonna go back and re-read it again!

Thanks for the research! :hi:

[Hepburn]

60. You don't get around much, do you?

:eyes:

I knew EXACTLY where she was going when she kept hitting on "San Francisco" and "closed doors." It was NOT just the "bitter" pill she was trying to sell. She wanted others to be sure and know that the black guy was hooking up in secret with wealthy, liberal gays.

Do people have to translate EVERYTHING for you? What the hell do you think she was doing?

[MonkeyFunk]

86. I've lived in the SF bay area for 25 years, including

living IN SF.

You're inventing total bullshit.

[Hepburn]

92. Sure I am ... that is why most agree with me...

...on the use of the San Francisco as code for "scary gay people."

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

109. you think that on a board

where >80% of the people support Obama and most of those people have visceral hate for Clinton, people agreeing with you is meaningful?

She mentioned the city he was in = not because she was making some sly gay smear, but because to Pennsylvanians, SF is a big, liberal city far removed from their experience. And yes, they know there are gay people there, too. But to pretend that Clinton was purposely trying to link Obama to "the gays" by mentioning SF is just stupid.

[PVnRT]

68. So...

...when John "I Hate the Queers" Hostettler used scary music and "Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco values" in his House campaign in Indiana, you don't think he was tieing San Francisco to gays?

If you really don't see that it's used as a code word (like "metrosexual") you're fooling yourself.

[truebrit71]

12. San Francisco is most definitely a code word for panty-waisted limp-wristed librul girly-men...

...to deny that is just stupid..It's like suggesting that calling a grown man "boy" if he's black is not an insult or code for "nigger"..

[SoCalDem]

25. Kind of like a tree-hugging, Cabernet sipping, croissant-eating

Prius-driving, ballet fan.. :rofl:

People who refuse to acknowledge the fact that code words exist...well they will never "see" the damage they do either..

It's also rooted in the decades-long dumbing down of America.. Somehow punching people in the face and watching cars make a 5 hour left-turn is macho...and supporting a family with an office job is "wimpy"..

We have become an anti-intelligence nation...a "Jackass-Punk'd" Nation..

[EFerrari]

64. You're making me hungry.

:rofl:

[Hepburn]

67. Sshhhhh....

...I am on a diet! :hi:

[SoCalDem]

76. Let's pile in the Prius & head for the bakery

I'm buyin'

:hi:

[Hepburn]

78. Whoa.......that sounds good!

OK, you're on. I could stand a latte and a brownie about now. Fuck the Nutrisystems!

:hi:

[hisownpetard]

13. Not only was the fund-raiser in San Francisco, but it was behind "closed doors."

Double whammy, in Hillary-speak.
She knows quiten well that words do not just carry denotative meaning but also connotative meaning, and she just piles them on.

Just another reason to say: Gobama!

[zalinda]

81. And did she make that up?

Damn, you pile up on her when she doesn't tell the truth, and you pile up on her when she does. Obama logic.

zalinda

[Hepburn]

83. Nooooooo....

...but the issue is: Why did she continuously emphasize it?

Black man...closed doors...San Francisco...do I need to paint you a picture?

[zalinda]

84. If it's the truth, what is wrong

And, btw, she doesn't call him a black man, he just is.

Obama supporters, can explain any criticism with stupid, racist or repub, or all three. One out of three, not bad.

zalinda

[Hepburn]

93. Sooooooo....

...you agree that the criticism contained non-essential terms such as "San Francisco" and "closed doors?"

So...what the hell did you think she was doing in emphasizing that? How are those terms essential and relevant to the averments she made about the use of the word "bitter?"

LOL...:rofl: You cannot be serious...can you?

[zalinda]

100. Why do you read anything but crap in anything

that Clinton says........whoooo, she is so scary, she is speaking in code. It happened in San Francisco and behind closed doors, like he was hiding something. And, no, it has nothing to do with gayness. If it happened in Dallas behind closed doors, she would be saying the same thing.....Dallas, closed doors, hiding his true feelings. Sorry, if he didn't want San Francisco mentioned or closed doors, maybe he shouldn't have put his foot in his mouth, at a fund raising dinner in San Francisco behind closed doors.

zalinda

[Hepburn]

101. Ummmmmmm....

...because it is crap and I don't mind calling her on it? :shrug:

Why can't you see homophobia being promoted when it is right in front of your face? That IMO is the better question.

[zalinda]

105. I get it, you hate Clinton

but if the roles were reversed and Obama was saying San Francisco and closed doors, you wouldn't automatically think gay code. You'd think he was making a point and telling the truth, but since it's Clinton you can't see it.

I think this whole finding racism, sexism and gay-ism where there is none, is just plain stupid. It does nothing to advance the dem party, it only hurts it. I don't automatically think gay when I hear SF, but I do think liberal, just the same way saying Hollywood says liberal, or latte.

zalinda

[Hepburn]

106. I could not care less who says it in a negative way ....

...using SF as a code for "gay" is wrong. PERIOD.

And, yes, I do hate Hillary Clinton ~~ she is a lying, corporation loving, war mongering, phony, insincere bigot. But I felt like this about her long before she decided to run for POTUS.

[zalinda]

112. Then where should she say it took place? n/t

[hisownpetard]

99. Maybe it's the way she presents it...

[TragedyandHope]

16. Also known as Baghdad By The Bay

[CountAllVotes]

32. and also the Barbary Coast in the olden days

My great great grandfather owned several saloons in San Francisco from abt. 1865-1910. They were all in the "Barbary Coast" section of the City which is the downtown portion today. For the most part, a large portion of the City as we know it today did not exist at that time. It was built up on landfill for the most part.

[TragedyandHope]

35. I bet your family has some great stories

[Hepburn]

37. I have a huge whiskey decanter sitting on my antique dining room table as the centerpiece...

...it is one of six decanters that had been in a San Francisco saloon at the turn of the century ~~ last one, not this one! It is the only one of the six that survived the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

I will look around and see if I can find the papers that came with the thing when I got it...like about 20 years ago...and see exactly where it came from. Wonder if there is any connection with your grand grandpop. Now wouldn't that be interesting!

:hi:

[CountAllVotes]

48. I have a sh*tload of stuff that survived the 1906 quake

The family has about died out and I have all of the stuff that was hauled out of the flat on Folsom street where my great grandfather lived. Two are drawings done by my grandfather dated 1905. I often wonder where they will end up when I am dead and gone. I tried to get some snotty assed place in the City to agree to take them but they were not interested being they were not drawings of San Francisco. What a bunch of idiots IMO.

My other old grandfather was the bookkeeper for a whiskey maker in SF and I found an empty bottle for sale on eBay with our family name on it along with the whiskey maker's name as well (odd perhaps but I guess my old grandfather wanted his name on the bottle as compensation for his work perhaps?). What a shocker this was and a great find as well as I had no idea that he was in business with anyone making booze. It cost me $20.00 total for it including shipping. :)

And yes, I have plenty of stories about old San Francisco. After the quake, many moved across the bay to Oakland/Berkeley. Many are still there today (in SF and Oakland/Berkeley, etc.). :)

[Hepburn]

57. Tell ya what....I will go digging for the papers on that decanter.

The thing is HUGE....like about 2.5 feet tall...and is crystal and etched. IIRC, it came from England by ship, went around the tip of South America ~~ no Panama Canal ~~ and ended up in SF right around 1900.

Wow, I wish to hell I had a family history like yours. All four of my grandparents were born in Europe and I really have nothing that dates back to their homes and family life. You are truly blessed to have this! So interesting as to what you know about your roots. :hi:

[CountAllVotes]

66. ah so it was not made in SF

I have a distant cousin whose great grandfather was also in the "business" as we call it (BOOZE). She collects the bottles that her grandfather's company made for bottling their whiskey. She has several best I know and they are all pre-prohibition, a few before 1900 I believe. I'll have to check with her to find out.

The "business" was BOOZE in the olden days, esp. with the Irish. Needless to say I am Irish myself, among other things thanks to my mother's side of the family.

It is quite the history and I sure did hear many stories. My father used to take us to Chinatown when we were kids in the 1950s. We'd buy sponge cakes and wander around Chinatown all day.

God, those were some good times! :)

Glad to find another old SFer as there aren't many of us left, just a few old Irish left from immigrant families that came after the Great Famine and sailed around the Cape Horn (as was my family's case).

The population of SF was only about 80,000 around 1880 or so. Needless to say, many of us are related to one another as the Irish tended to marry other Irish if possible. It didn't always work out that way much to my great grandmother's dismay. :rofl:

[Hepburn]

69. Gawd...your stories are great!

Thanks for all the smiles you have given me today! :hi:

[CountAllVotes]

87. glad I made you smile

I've got many other FAR BETTER stories, oh yes (like the reality of our family's infamous "sea captain"; we had a couple actually!) }( . Seems the drink took its toll on them from what I have found. I'm proud to be an old native and I still love to go to SF and visit. I no longer live in the City (moved away about 15 years ago) but I may move back some day, who knows?

I'll wait until after the next quake hits however. The Loma Prieta was enough for me although I still live on the San Andreas fault (sheesh, can't get away from it seemingly). I've done a lot of research on quakes and SF and wow, if I published my findings I bet people would pack up and leave in droves (no joke!). :scared:

:D

On edit: My personal avatar is a photograph of a political button I found in my uncle's house after he passed away. It belonged to my grandfather who claimed to be a life long Democrat. Upon searching the records, I found out he was a Republican until 1941. He lost his home and ended up living in "the dump" as he called it. After this time, a HUGE picture of FDR hung in his living room and the word "Republican" was never heard again in that house!

[Hepburn]

95. Wow....great stories!

Your stories remind me of those which were told by my late husband about his side of the family ~~ his family has been in the US since the Revolutionary War ~~ on each side of that war, too!

You should write a book...this is really "smile making" stuff!

[SoCalDem]

18. Down here the "code word city" is PalmSprings/CathedralCity

because the Palm Springs area is also very gay-friendly..

Code words are infuriating, because the people who USE them, do so with malevolence, but then feign surprise when they are called on it..and the media always lets them slide..even though they also know full-well what was meant..

So many code words... They literally JUMP out at people who are thoughtful, but sneak into the subconscious of the ignorant :grr:

some I gnash my teeth about:

democRAT
heritage
family values
latte'
elite
well-spoken
intelligent
liberal
conservative
environmentalist

The sad thing is that it really only matters WHO says these innocuous words, and a lot also depends on context..but many people have grown up with very little education in that area. They are literalists who do not question anything..

When my kids were in school and had to cut out current events from the paper, I would always make them examine the articles to "read between the lines", and try to figure out the message being sent, in addition to what was written..

One vivid example was a local pedestrian accident. The LA Times reported it as a man stepping off the curb, and being hit by a lady .
Our local paper wrote the same story, but they also added that the man was an illegal immigrant who was jaywalking..and the lady who hit him was driving her kids to school in her mini-van.

My boys understood "slant" after that..

The facts of both stories were the same. man hit by vehicle..but the context and slant were very telling.

[Hepburn]

24. Yep...Cat City....

...between Palm Springs and Palm Desert. I had some RW asshole say to me the other day how impressed he was on the way the gays had improved Cat City. And...I asked him how he knew these were gay people...you don't want to know the response.

I am soooooo sick of the slant that goes on and the buzz words used.

[SoCalDem]

29. I worked in Cat City for 6 years and LOVED it..

But that was before the "boom".. wouldn't recognize the place these days..

funny story...

I'm a bowling league secretary for two large leagues here (120 people on Tues & 150 on Wed).

anyway..one of my bowlers moved to Cat City, and told me about a league meeting they had for their league.. Most of the bowlers were gay, and very OUT.. They had a mixed league which, according to the rules, mandates a certain number of women per team, and a few teams wanted 4 men & no women.. They had a very civil meeting and ended up changing the rules and wrote their own..to say that it could be a mixed league as long as there was one woman in the LEAGUE.. ahh.. democracy in action :)

[Hepburn]

31. The first time I was ever in Cat City was back in 1963 when my cousin...

...moved there since her hubbie was a Riv Sheriff's Deputy and his beat was out in that part of the desert. I can remember visiting her one summer day and it was like 113 degrees....and I was driving an old VW bug and I thought I would freaking DIE before I got to her house. Thank gawd for her swamp cooler!

Yep...it sure has changed. I used to love to go to the thrift shops out there...not a lot of that anymore. It really is very swank in many areas now. Years ago, like in the 1960s, it was really a pretty ratty place.

Great story about the bowling league! That whole desert area is a very interesting place. Very beautiful area of Calif ~~ I do love the desert, but cannot spend a lot of time there anymore because of the heat.

[Shakespeare]

42. WeHo's a much more widely recognized SoCal code word. n/t

[SoCalDem]

53. Missed that one

WeHo??

enlighten please :)

[Shakespeare]

58. West Hollywood, one of the gayest towns on earth.

And my old hometown (I'm a half mile east over in Hollywood proper now). :loveya:

[SoCalDem]

59. aaah.. I thought it was "Westwood"

:)

[Hepburn]

72. Heya!

I love the French Quarter Market...anytime I get up from South Bay...that is one of the places I always try to get to. Best burgers around!

:hi:

[Shakespeare]

79. I love the genesis of the city - the gay community and the resident Russian/Jewish community...

...united to form a separate and unique city within LA County. It's one of the more unique little towns you'll ever encounter, and I :loveya: me some WeHo.

[Hepburn]

82. Oh, the Russian nightclubs on Fairfax...to die for!

There was one I was in about 10 years ago...the Black Sea, I think...it was WONDERFUL. The friend I was with spoke a bit of Russian and I do a very small amount of Yiddish and we got by. A Russian rock band and dancing....and rows of tables...in long lines...piled with food. Bottles of vodka all over the place. The people? From babies to grammas in their babuskas. I have not been there for a long time. I think I should get my pals together and spend some time up the 405!

I love that area of LA...West Hollywood, Fairfax...great parts of LA!

:hi:

[Hepburn]

63. West Hollywood!

I LOVE that place...go there as often as I can! :hi:

[slackmaster]

27. I can remember the good old days

[Hell Hath No Fury]

104. Ah, Rice a Roni..

the company that stopped using the tagline "the San Francisco treat" when AIDS hit because they did not want to be associated with gays/AIDS. :eyes: I never bought another of their Rice a Roni products.

[Jed Dilligan]

36. An acquaintance of mine, about 15 years ago, on a cross-country train

met a preacher from Ohio who talked her ear off through a couple of states before asking where she was from. When she said California he asked, "You're not from FAGTOWN are you?" When she said she was he did not say a word and moved away from her.

[Hepburn]

40. Wow....

...that is HORRIBLE for so many reasons!

[malik flavors]

38. The kind people of San Fran might have to run Hillary out of town next time she goes there.

[Kurovski]

43. The only reason rightards use San Fransisco as a code word for "gay agenda"

is the Village People who had the hit "San Fransisco". So blame the Village People.

No, actually, put the responsibility on homophobic rightards and those who pander to them. Like Hillary Clinton, for instance. :D

[Shakespeare]

47. No, it's much more than that. Start with the Harvey Milk assassination and go from there.

It's every bit as ugly as their southern strategy, and I'm digusted the Clinton's using the code out of political expediency right now.

[Hepburn]

65. Yep....for YEARS that I am aware of....

..SF has been used as a code word ~~ when used negatively ~~ for gay area. I can remember this way back when I was in HS in the 1960s.

[Kurovski]

73. True.

It's a mix. And "San Fransisco politics" is definitely dog-whistle and code.

[SoCalDem]

54. I thought that was Tony Bennet

:rofl:

[okasha]

45. Oh, goody.

Another straight concern troll tells us what we should be offended by.

Here are some really offensive code words: "ex-gay ministry," "basic set of rights," "distraction from more important issues." And that's just a sampling.

[Hepburn]

74. You can be offended by whatever the fuck offends you.

And I can be offended by what offends me, OK? :eyes:

[BigDDem]

46. You're kidding, right?

So if San Francisco is a "buzz word" or "code" what do you
suggest that certain city be called?

[Hepburn]

49. Huh?

Re-name the city? You think that is going to stop those who use the name of the city in the negative from doing the same with a new name? The problem is one of intolerance. I have no clue on how to stop people from being bigots...if you do, please let us in on it, OK?

Change the name of the city. Brilliant solution,...NOT!

[BigDDem]

90. How about the "City formerly known as San Francisco?"

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

61. It can be. It depends on the context.

People have all these funny debates about the literal meaning of words and of buzz words -- code. But it's all about the context, isn't it? I don't know if Clinton meant it that way in this context but I'm sure she wouldn't mind if that meaning was evoked.

/oops

[Hepburn]

75. Yep....when a RW pol starts in on Nancy Pelosi's SF values...

...IMO, it means more than just liberal. Context does mean a great deal.

[izzybeans]

70. When you hear someone say something like that just say, Don't you love the taste of a good ol' San

Francisco treat?

When they respond, you know what just what exactly San Francisco means to them.

[Hepburn]

77. Oooooooh, good one!

:hi:

[Drunken Irishman]

89. When Utah's congressman Jim Matheson was running for reelection in 2006...

They talked about Pelosi and how the San Francisco liberals would control Washington.

Matheson won.

[AtomicKitten]

96. I think the slur has evolved into "latte-drinking liberal elite."

IMO the slam is more pervasive and diffuse, the rainbow flag just a sideshow in the overall denigration.

[Hepburn]

98. Could be....

...maybe because I have lived in California for so long and heard it used as a slam against gays that it still pretty much carries only that connotation for me.

[AtomicKitten]

102. Just my opinion. I've lived here in SF for 3 years so I'm certainly no expert.

IMO it's the political atmosphere. Mayor Newsom performed a marriage ceremony for many LGBT couples when he first came into office, and just a couple weeks ago declared SF a safe zone for undocumented workers, promising all services available to them. Interesting political moves locally.

I'm still a n00b here in SF for all practical purposes, but IMO SF is viewed as the new Berkeley.

:hi:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

103. I am San Franciscan, born and raised...

and I can tell you that, when I travel in the US or in Europe, the mention that I am from San Francisco elicits one of three basic reponses: one about earthquakes, one about high housing costs, or one about gays.

When I heard Hillary make that statement, this San Franciscan heard the whistle.

How easily she could have said something to the effect that Obama had recently made comments that sounded elitist, but she had to throw the "San Francisco" in there, 'cause ya know we're the Capital of Elitism out here. :eyes:

[Hepburn]

107. And the interesting part, which I learned today, is that the fund raiser was NOT in SF.

It was in Marin. Geeeee, wonder WHY she did not use the name of that city?

[dsc]

110. actually then you all would accuse her of inciting anti Muslim hatred

since Marin is where Lindh came from.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

111. Anyone who berates SF is a wank... My favorite city and I've been to quite a few