Obama wasn't just calling small-town people gun or religious nuts...he said they were racists.

[DemVet]

“So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” - Barack Obama


This is what a certain segment of this board just doesn't understand. He basically said that when the going gets rough, small town people read their Bibles (which they supposedly never read when the going is good), hump their guns (afterall, they don't have to hunt when the economy is good) and start turning on those that don't look like them (yeah, bad times breeds racism :sarcasm: ).

Why did he say this? He said he could have said it better...yeah, no shit.

Can't you understand why people would be offended by this?

[melody]

1. He was only talking about the people who are like that - he wasn't calling all of them ANYTHING

I know fine distinctions are difficult for some people to make, but the kneejerk Hillarian reaction to this is just ludicrous.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. No, it was a very broadly targeted stereotype.

I don't go to church and I don't own a gun but as a rural blue collar worker, I was nevertheless insulted.

... and I'm a democrat. Obama needs to avoid directly insulting rural independents.

[melody]

8. Bull -- I come from VERY blue collar people ... my family came from the Appalachians

He was NOT broadly targeting ANYONE. If you read the comments, it's very clear what he meant. It incenses me
when people read looking for what they want to read versus what is said.

Hillary needs to stop destroying the Democratic party by staying in the race and helping McCain.

[Texas Hill Country]

34. the statement was painted with a pretty damn broad brush. whether you think he meant it or not, you

must admit that it was a really bad screw up and that he did say that midwesterners basically irrationally clung to god n guns n racism n xenophobia because they were angry about the failing economy and the lack of help from the govt.

whether or not he meant it or thinks it, that is what he said.

[melody]

53. To anyone with an IQ above room temperature, it was obvious what he said and it wasn't anything bad

It wasn't a put-down and it wasn't a slam -- it was a simple statement of fact in context.
He wasn't even talking about ALL gun owners and church-goers.

Like I said, the Hillarians can keep pounding these dull nails in, but the wood is splintering in all directions --
most will hit the one who wields the heavy hammer (aka Hillary Clinton).

[rodeodance]

78. name-calling insults. rude of you

[Craftsman]

46. I am a gun owning, church going Dem and I was deeply offended

If he wins the nomination I will not vote for this elitest bigot.

[Name removed]

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[damonm]

55. BTW, your headline applies to me, too - and I agree with you.

So you may wanna back off on that, hmmm...?

[melody]

58. No, I won't back off on that -- it it applies to you, it applies to you

You've defined yourself by design.

[damonm]

73. A swing and miss on the point.

ahem - I. agree. with. you.

I'm new here - just discovered DU about a month ago - and you are all but calling my opinions invalid because of my number of posts? Even when I agree with you? Thanks for the warm welcome.

[melody]

76. No, I'm calling the other person's points invalid because I don't think they're a legitimate poster

I think they're a troll -- we've been inundated with pro-Hillary fake DU IDs the last three months.

My apologies to you if you're real, whether or not you agree with me.

[damonm]

54. then you better be able to shoot VERY straight,

because you may need it to keep at bay a LOT of people who will probably want to "thank" you for the McCain presidency you'll help install.

And you're a Democrat like I'm a Yankees fan...:sarcasm:

[TheDoorbellRang]

68. Well, looks like Obama was right about you, then

You'll vote against your own economic interests before you'd vote for that "elitist bigot."

You're not troubled by the Clinton's connections to the Colombian free trade agreement or pro-Nafta pre-2006 stance or her ties to lobbyists. Nope. Just keep that elitist fella outta office.

[JoFerret]

89. Here's a question.

It's said that 90% of african american voters are for Obama.
Are they making their minds up based on race?

[merbex]

20. He assumed there is a causality between economic "biiterness" and gun ownership, religious habits,

and "antipathy" toward immigrants.

AND he made it sound as if those conditions were partucular to certain segments of PA and the Rust Belt.

With the possible exception of anti-immigrant feeling, there is no causality.

People in certain parts of the country own a gun because they hunt and/or it is part of the culture of where they reside - through good times and bad. The same goes for their church going habits.

He insulted them by implying baby like behavior regarding those 2 activities ... babies "cling"

That one word - cling - has to be the worst word any politician could ever use in connection to voters.

It is demeaning and may I say it is revealing that in response to a question about why he was't connecting with certain voters, he in effect blames those voters instead of saying something on the order of "maybe I should spend more time with those voters, maybe I should schedule more Town Hall style events in those areas to hear more of their concerns, maybe I should adopt a Senator Bob Graham technique of 'working a day in their shoes' anything except blaming the voter for not 'getting' him.

This will linger in many people's minds. It is a huge blunder and a cautionary tale for all politicians in how to refer to voters to another group of voters.

[melody]

56. NO HE DIDN'T -- for godsakes, read what he said not what you think he said

I'm sorry, but you're having the remarks interpreted for you by some stilted political motivation. He wasn't
talking about all church-goers or gun-owners.

[DemVet]

22. Oh BS

He may not have meant to categorize ALL people in small towns this, but that's how it came out. He even admitted as such. By then though, the damage was already done.

[melody]

57. There has been no damage done -- or haven't you read the news?

And you'd better hope there's no damage done. He's our nominee. The only reason Hillary or her acolytes can be opposing
him now is to assure a GOP win in November.

Besides, it wasn't how "it came out", it's how simple-minded people are reading it or allowing others to spin it for them.
READ what he actually said -- or listen to it. He was NOT talking about ALL church-goers or gun-owners, just those few who've
been driven to extremism by despair. He used guns and churches as two examples of things to which they cling -- and he's
right.

[tekisui]

2. HIllary was more offensive to small town voters.

She insulted their intelligence using words like "Elitist". Obama may have kept the pukes that would never have voted for a Dem away, but he didn't lose any Dem voters. Hillary's attack over Obama's comments hurt her among Dems.

[DemVet]

23. But Hillary , But Hillary, But Hillary, But Hillary

Why do you defend Obama by blaming Hillary? That's weak.

[hamerfan]

4. Maybe he said it

because some small town people are really like this! But don't take my word for it....
dumpbush

[Kermitt Gribble]

13. You're right. And it's not just small town people.

I know a lot of people like Obama described. He's speaking truthfully and some people can't handle it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. On another board someone said: "The truth hurts"

There are two questions
1) Whether your stereotype of rural voters is accurate. Like most stereotypes, it is not and is just as harmful as a stereotype formed by watching video of the LA riots.
2) Whether speaking "truthfully" (in your view) is the most moronic, brain dead, idiotic, self-destructive and witless kind of politics. The answer to that one is "chah!".

[Kermitt Gribble]

79. There are 2 answers:

1)This has nothing to do with stereotypes.
2)If you're denying that most people in this country are bitter toward our government, you're living in a dream world. I think it's refreshing to actually hear a politician tell it like it is. Obviously, you hold the highest regard for politicians that don't tell the truth.

I like Clinton and Obama equally and will not talk negatively about either. Barack hit the nail on the head with this one and Hillary is wrong for condemning him for it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

81. I disagree.

The only nail he hit was the one on his thumb - but I don't want Hillary to overplay the issue.

If I claim that you beat your wife because you're embittered over economic circumstances, it's not a reasonable defense to say "are you saying that people aren't bitter?"

I'm not saying that people aren't bitter. No one is saying that people are not hurting. I'm saying that a) they're not racists and b) it's stupid for our (presumptive) african american presidential candidate to try to convince them that they are.

[Timefortruth]

5. Gee whiz!

No wonder everyone is so pissed off! When did he say this? I heard a recording, but it must not have been the one you're talking about. I really want to hear him saying this, when I do I'll vote for Hillary!

Humping guns. Man, that doesn't even sound safe. Only a nut would say such a thing. Thanks in advance for the link to his comment.

[datopbanana]

6. INITIAL SERIES OF DISTORTIONS: INEFFECTIVE... SOLUTION: MORE DISTORTION!!!

[H2O Man]

7. Incorrect.

Senator Obama was speaking to the issue of nativism, which has to do with longstanding cultural values versus new-comers. It can, at times, include racism, but it is distinct.

The confusing over the distinctions can cause resentment.

[TahitiNut]

86. The misinterpretations, intentional or otherwise, speak ill to the quality of ...

... character and education in this nation. What's really a simple matter of observation regarding the behavior of populations under stress is being spun to slander and distract folks in a manner that actually PROVES the veracity of the observation. Sad.

[ShortnFiery]

9. Oh stop the self-righteous indignation - It's "the human condition" to stereotype.

This is such manufactured bullshit! Which one of you doesn't stereotype? And it was not, IMO, demeaning, but AN ATTEMPT to *understand* others.

Shame on you! You should know better or would you truly prefer ONLY politicians who will tell us what we WANT TO HEAR? Yet, those pandering politicians NEVER change any damn thing.

I'd much rather have a man GIVE me his "opinion" as to what small town people MAY be thinking and what they take refuge in. BTW, I grew up in a small town of 106 people and I'm here to tell you Barack Obama was "spot on."

[cornermouse]

18. He was wrong.

If he knew what he was talking about that would be one thing. But his statement indicates a clear lack of understanding of rural America to everyone with the exception of those who are already committed to vote for him. It is an insult.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Did you miss that I grew up in a small town of 106? I had to travel 8 miles to go to grade school

in the next largest town 1300. You want to know isolation? Go to the Great Plains of The Midwest.

I'd go hunting Pheasant with my dad and two older brothers. I love the rifles that my belated dad willed to me. With regard to home protection, you just can't beat a big dog and a shot gun. :evilgrin:

I KNOW SMALL TOWNS and Barack Obama is "spot on" with regard to his remarks. *Many* people there are ultra-religious but everyone is seemingly mistrustful of "the other."

I don't remember ANY Black or Latino families ... we were all of European Ancestry and our disenfranchised group was (still is) The Sioux Indians.

Obama was attempting to understand "small town America."

HE ADMITTED that he didn't describe it artfully. But "the essence" of what people turn to when times are hard, is 100% correct. I forgive him.

But HRC is not capable of forgiveness because, IMO, she is too full of feigned "self-righteous indignation."

Yes, I agree with Obama, Shame on her! :thumbsdown:

[cornermouse]

70. Let's see.

I was born, grew up in, and spent at least 20 years as an adult in Kansas small "hamlets" according to another poster. I'm currently living outside a small town in another midwest state. Gee, I guess I DO know about small towns after all. Oh and gee, I'm at least the 5th generation of people who lived in rural countryside and/or hamlets. And gee, Obama is still wrong.

[Blarch]

10. Oh please.

Their bible and guns are all they have left after the Bush administration is done with them, of course they are clinging to them.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. I've lived in or near small towns most of my life

and what he said I've found to often be true. It is human nature to blame troubles on anyone but yourself. I don't read this as a blanket statement about all small town residents.

[Obamanaut]

12. No, he did not 'basically' say any such thing. I think you did. Most

of the rest of us know what he said.

[lumberjack_jeff]

48. Any of us who can read know what he said.

It is apparently only the true believers who know that he didn't mean it.

[Vinca]

14. It's really a shame your candidate has so little to offer the only

way she can win is by demeaning the opposition. You might win voters if you made an attempt to promote her policies instead of her Republican tactics.

[DemVet]

24. Once again....

...an Obama supporter can't defend his/her candidate when they screwed up. Instead, they cast blame on the opposition. Very weak.

[Vinca]

27. Like talking to a pallet of bricks. nt

[DemVet]

29. Then get off of the pallet.

[GoesTo11]

15. Wedge issues

Wedge issues work well to distract people from what should be important issues to them.

Don't tell me immigration hasn't been a wedge issue.

Or race.

Or sexuality.

Or religion.

Or guns.

[MADem]

16. He said something similar before, in a Charlie Rose interview apparently.

This isn't a new theme. He was a bit more circumspect in that appearance, though.

[durrrty libby]

17. It is beyond strange that a so-called "community organizer"

paints people with such broad-brush stereotyping :dunce:

[izzie]

19. I am sure he knows their are people who will not vote for him for

the reason he is a black man. Their are people who will not vote for Clinton because she is a women and McCain because he is so old. All silly reasons but they are all out there. Hard to change a life time history of how one thinks. So far both Clinton and Obama have fought a good fight over this. Old white men have run this country so long I am thinking McCain will win it. I just get that feeling. People will fall back on what they are used to having. White men running things. I my self will write in Obama if I must but I do think that is how people act. Back in the old days of the USSR they said we would spend our self out and if McCain gets in I think we will do that with this endless war or wars. I think we will move into a second rate country with a smaller middle class, which made us so great, and become a poor country with a few on top very rich. Like in the 1880's.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. Lord Barack lives in fear of the anti-immigrant peasantry.

He fears they'll wise up to his act.

[DemVet]

25. The scrutiny over....

...Senator Obama hasn't even begun yet. It's coming though.

[EffieBlack]

26. What makes you think that he was referring only to white people?

Obama did not limit or direct his comments to any particular race. He was talking about people who live in small towns.

Black people and other minorities live in small town, too, you know. And black people also go to church and own guns and have anti-immigrant and anti-trade feelings.

Sounds like it is YOU who is making a very interesting and telling assumption - that "regular" people are white and any reference to "ordinary" or "small town" Americans must be about white people. Interestingly, you are doing just what Obama described in the portion of the quote that is being ignored - assuming that this is all about race when it is about something else altogether.

[2rth2pwr]

66. Well, I do go a-churchin’ every Sunday with a bunch of bitter folks who complain about how

the government is evil and screws them over, and we yell an’ whoop it up

when the preacher rails against them Italians and Jews, an’ then we …

Oops, wait a minute, that’s not me, that’s Barack Obama.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Hillary wants everyone to think that!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. Hillary wants everyone to think that!

[Apollo11]

31. Obama mis-spoke. He should have said "some". Maybe "angry" instead of "bitter".

If Obama had said the following words, it would be easier for his supporters to explain his comment:

“So it’s not surprising then if some folks get angry, or if they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”

But even then it would still be generalizing and negative stereotyping of people who live in small towns.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. that's the crox of his statement....we are racists and bigots

[scheming daemons]

84. If by "we" you mean the Hillary supporters that are left.... you are correct...

...

[Medusa]

33. I realize that a lot of you Clintonistas have problems with reading comprehension

but you've miscalculated on this one, as has your gal. The polls aren't showing an impact on this, plus she's now getting BOOED when she tries to bring it up. It ain't sticking people.

[jbnow]

35. His out of context quote does sound offensive and that is

what the media shares.

I am assuming you read all 5 paragraphs of his response to a question of the 2 volunteers at the fund raiser who were going to PA and wanted to know what to expect in the small towns?

He said the communities that they had to work hardest in were the places where people had grown cynical about government. That some people misunderstood and thought the issue was that he was black like a recent article had said but what it is is that things have been hard for so long and they feel let down by government so when they hear a pitch it’s hard for them to believe it and maybe it is harder from a young black guy with a funny name. What people need to hear is the concrete things he planned to do that would help them and he named several of those policies.

He said it’s hard to persuade them government can bring progress because they haven’t seen it, in small towns all over the midwest jobs have been leaving and for years all these politicians from both parties have been saying things will change but nothing does.

That’s when he said the quote everyone hears, the part that was so clumsy.
When he talked about it before he didn’t lump them together in the same way. It was about when you can’t rely on government you quit trusting them. You turn to your traditions and things you can count on, they mean a lot and going hunting with friends or times at church help. But sometimes those are used as wedge issues for votes and sometimes the divisions between people are exploited so groups are likelier to mistrust those who are different, blacks, white, Latinos, immigrants can come to see each other as competitors instead of realizing in coming together they can work for the same goals.
Now had he put it the way as he usually did it wouldn’t have sounded insulting.
Then at the fundraiser he went on to say you can’t assume any demographic will or won’t support him. Places where you’d think he had no supporters you’ll find supporters, places where you’d expect him to be strong you will also find skeptics. You show up and let people know what he’s doing.

So no he did not "He basically said that when the going gets rough, small town people read their Bibles (which they supposedly never read when the going is good), hump their guns (afterall, they don't have to hunt when the economy is good) and start turning on those that don't look like them (yeah, bad times breeds racism"
However the out of context quote can be taken that way especially by those who wish to and so don't bother looking for what else he said in that same comment.

[LaurenG]

36. No he didn't and we all know that you know that he didn't

Is it OK with you if we just start making up stuff about the dem candidates.

Should we take things they say and force their words into the worst possible configuration just like the republicans?

If you're not fond of republicans perhaps you should stop using their talking points.

Senator Obama explained exactly what he meant, I understood what he was trying to say without explanation and so for me this was just a game to be played by hateful people. And in my opinion only those people who don't care what the truth is will repeat this version of "what Senator Obama said". :eyes:

[rg302200]

37. Oh get over it...he was right!

I live in an extremely small town and let me tell you that Obama was 100% correct in his statements. What he was trying to get to the point of was that when the going gets tough and people feel hopeless they vote on issues they think they can control....guns, god and gays! These are the wedge issues that the Republicans have been using against us for years and Obama simply stated why the Republicans use them...because people feel bitter because they feel ignored by the federal government on things that really matter..such as the economy, education and the environment. We need to refocus the election on those issuse...not the three g's!

And to think that I at one time actually supported Hillary....she lost me when she started bitching about the Florida and Michigan primaries. Now all she is is a political hack who just needs to go away!

[graycem]

38. If he is wrong, then why is it

in places like Ohio and Louisiana especially... where the job markets are crap, do Republicans keep managing wins despite their horrible economic records? Why is it that they say the democrats want to get rid of God, take your guns, and kill your babies, and they fall for it every time? Against their own economic interests? I'll tell you why. Because Obama was right. People vote on those single issues because they don't believe that either party will REALLY fix the economic problem, and that is ALL he was doing. Explaining the wedge issue phenomenon that the Republicans have cornered the market on, and why democrats can't seem to break through.

Poor choice of words, absolutely, but why do those 3 little words matter more than a Republican win in the fall? Swap "bitter with angry" and change "cling" to whatever other word you'd find palatable, but the argument is still true. Watch them do it again this election cycle. This is not a new idea. They do it every single time. You have to give it to the Republicans. They always manage to pull those 3 punches, and EVERY single time, people fall for it... their bank accounts be damned. I live in a VERY rural area and I can tell you every male in my family, without even thinking twice, will vote on that issue before anything else. All it takes is for the Republicans to say "they want to take your guns!" He wasn't demeaning them, he was just calling the game for what it is. And just because Hillary is going around talking up guns, don't think for one second that this will give her any credibility on the issue in the fall, even if she were to get the nomination. They'll just drag out her record on the gun issue, and prove it to you once again. That will be FAR more offensive to people who vote on that issue. (and they will, because she wants to take your guns, and they'll be reminded of that again and again).

[Life Long Dem]

39. Hillary supporters are supporting the Republican McSame n/t

[SeaLyons]

40. K&R for Truth

Obama needs to stop judging others by himself. He's arrogant and bigoted.

[meow mix]

41. it takes racist thinking like yours to come up with this angle

he was talking about intolerance in general, something you must be very familar with..

go figure, another anti-obama has bigotry issues.

[rug]

43. What is "another layer of skepticism"?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Video_from_San_Francisco.html

And what were they laughing at?

[GoldieAZ49]

44. typical picture of an Obama supporter: all mouth and no ears

crying racism, pacifier needed

[GoldieAZ49]

42. followers of Obama don't want to admit it. Supporters do understand

and they too are attacked here.

Morning news, is comparing his remarks to the marxist views.

[BklynChick]

45. he was actually asked whether working class whites weren't voting for him in big numbers because

he's black and he said NO. and he addressed the issue of pitting working class whites against immigrants in fighting over jobs, that we have to fight TPTB about this. what he was saying can't be explained in a simple sound bite. that's generally what republicans want.

[Symarip]

49. Moan and bitch away

It's already off of CNN's political page, minus a Jack Cafferty file. It got it's 72 hour news cycle's worth and now it's on to more interesting subjects. Sorry, folks, it's just not that compelling. In tomorrow's debate we'll probably visit our friend, bitter, again and Obama, like he always does, will put it to bed and look like a genius for doing so.

So keep on feigning your outrage. It's already an old hat.

[Levgreee]

50. that antipathy includes people like liberals, atheists, democrats, etc.

and that antipathy is completely true and significant. I would say the aforementioned groups are the target of much more antipathy than most minorities, although perhaps not Indians (outsourcing is a hot issue) and Mexicans/Hispanics.

[Avalux]

51. Extrapolate much?

I am offended by your interpretation of Obama's comments.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. Obviously Obama is a racist.

He hates everybody who isn't half white and half black.

:rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

60. He put a little sumthin' in there for everybody - and his faithful flock will defend every word

of one of the dumbest things he's ever said.

[Name removed]

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[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. "typical white folks"

[smiley_glad_hands]

63. Nice twist. Send your resume to rush. eom

[BlueStateGirl]

64. That's why his explanation at the Compassion forum didn't make

much sense. He said that scripture tells us to "cling" to what's good, and he said that he was speaking in terms of thigns that are family traditions, like religion and hunting. Well, that totally ignores the second part of what he said. He lumped the so called "good" things in with the bad in the original statement.

Personally, I agree with him. I don't know that people are necessarily bitter, but yea, when economic times are tough, some people do begin to mistrust and dislike those they view as taking their jobs. Unfortunately, I think this is something that may come back to haunt him in November.

[Little Star]

65. He also said there was no meeting regarding Nafta with Canada

:rofl: Hi is just a liar, imho.

[Jed Dilligan]

67. "Antipathy to people who aren't like them" could mean a number of things

including racism, homophobia, misogyny, xenophobia, religious prejudice, and class resentment, all of which Republicans have used to distract people from their economic piracy.

What part of that don't you agree with?

[MattBaggins]

69. Why did you put a sarcasm tag

next to the "bad times breed racism" comment? Bad times do indeed breed racism.

[DefenseLawyer]

71. Scoreboard n/t

[TragedyandHope]

72. Every time this argument is repeated it reinforces Obama's point.

Divisive wedge issues are used to distract from broader issues that affect us all, such as jobs, the economy, education, health care, the war, etc. Plenty of voters understand that. They also see right through the fact that the current focus on twisting this quote to Hillary's advantage is an attempt to sway voters with these very same wedge issues. Never mind Hillary's actual record or position on these issues.

I suppose this is the kind of campaign you end up with when running on the issues and your character isn't working. It reeks of nothing-to-lose desperation and doesn't do the party any good. In the unlikely event that Hillary wins the nomination, everything she has done to capitalize on this will come back to haunt her when it's turned against her by the Rethugs in the General Election.

[Catherina]

74. He did? The ones that are weren't going to vote for him anyway. Big deal

:rofl:

[BootinUp]

75. Can we stop throwing around "racist" so cavalierly?

over the top.

[jackson_dem]

77. It is obvious why it is offensive but Obama's latte base AGREES with him...

So they don't get it, especially the ones on the netroots.

[anonymous171]

80. Anti-immigrant doesn't mean racist. At worst it could mean xenophobic.

[ileus]

82. why does he hate America...nt

[cliffordu]

83. Blah de blah de blah blah blah. We got it, on to the next, please.

Jesus.

Don't you EVER change the channel???

[file83]

85. Obama said "Anti-Immigration" - YOU said "Racism", so it's YOU

...who is calling the "anti-immigration"people racists. Not Obama.

[Yes We Did]

87. what Obama said was true. Stop the FAKE outrage!

People do cling to other issues that they can do something about. When you can't do anything about jobs going overseas, you look for some kind of control in other issues like protecting 2nd amendment rights, religion and marriage and yes... anti-immigrant sentiment. If you don't have a job and you are a legal resident then people feel as though immigrants who aren't legal are taking what jobs there are away from them.

Please... STOP THE FAKE OUTRAGE!

[NanceGreggs]

88. ...

"He basically said ..."

No, he didn't basically say what you've interpreted him to say. He said what he said.

And he was right in what he said - and the majority of voters agree with him.

[oviedodem]

90. As if Hillary's campaign should even SPEAK about race Give...Me...A...Break!!

[Armstead]

91. Hillary said the same thing regarding the immigration issue

In an old article on MSNBC about the illegal immigration issue, Hillary was quoted as saying that people don't worry about immigrants when the economy is good. "But when the economy is doing poorly they look for someone to blame." (close paraphrase by me.)

She is being a hypocrite when she attacks Obama for saying something similar now.

[bunnies]

92. Ed Rendell called PA voters RACIST.

Where was the outrage? What a joke. :eyes:

[rch35]

93. and im not just calling you willfully ignorant., im also calling you a dumbass

i like how you seem to think its NOT true that when things get bad, they rely on the familiar to get them through it much more than they would if things were all fuckin' peachy. and yess, bad times CAN and DO breed racism. Read a fucking history book.