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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:04 AM Original message |
PA POLL: Hillary 50, Obama 44. No change. "Bittergate" bombs... |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. Fair enough |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. it includes all of post- toasties-to- the-bitters- gate other monday. so im satisfied. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. Don't underestimate her! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. And we haven't heard Bll Clinton sing his "Bitter!" encore yet. (NT) |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #28 |
70. Well, does last night's "Stephanapoulos-o-Fest" re: Bittergate count as a Clinton "hit"? |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think we may need to wait a few more days before we celebrate. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. True. |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I am watching the Today Show right now |
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phrigndumass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. Most of the double-digit PA polls seem to be outliers at this point ... graph: |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
32. Uh oh. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. Most polls show him within 10. If he stays within 10 Clintons net delegate lead may be low |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. No matter her margin of win in PA at this point, |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. It does matter. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Any gain in PA will keep her in till June 3rd. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That is not 100 percent |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Marking this for later phonebanking. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Thank you! Please pass it around! Post it in the other topics and lets get phonebanking! |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Bad thing for Hillary is the "bittergate" argument is not likely to resonate with the SDs. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Worse for her campaigns were her dumbass excuse for why democrats lost in the past. |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
58. Not anymore ... Popular vote ... |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
50. She would need a completely devastating, unprecedented blowout victory |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm afraid Hillary having pounded those |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I just heard on Morning Joe that Rendell says the Clintons |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Rendell's got plenty of walking around money |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
9. If she wins Penn by anything less then 10 points |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
44. Hillary's campaign and supporters are preparing the argument |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
67. I have no doubt about that |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. I don't think she can get more than 8% wins in any of the remaining contests. |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. She wont get more than 8% in PR and PA... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. She will not get 30%+ wins anywhere. She doesn't pull those kinds |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I have looked at the demographics of WV and KY... |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 05:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Then be thankful for... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. bookmarking, I don't see it happening. |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
14. It doesn't matter. She doesn't care that this will hurt him in the general |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. That's the thing. Obama lost zero Dems on this. |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
17. SILVER BULLET ineffective. Turns out Obama is Superman, not Vampire |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
62. Maybe i have it reversed but is the Silver Bullet for a Mr. Vampire or for a Mr. Werewolf ? |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. i had no i idea so i wiki's and........ |
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aaroh (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
19. I just don't understand how voters can leap from a democrat to John McCain |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. How do you explain reagan? Don't overestimate the American voter |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Voters don't know McCain yet because we're not running against him. |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Exactly! |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Obama and McCain are both popular with independents |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
26. What was the date of the poll? That is crucial. We had one release yesterday that was pre-small town |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Apr. 9-13 |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
54. Thanks. Moot question now, though. It is official: bittergate is a bust |
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Hope And Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
30. K & R! |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
31. And now she's being booed when she brings it up |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
35. Good news. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
36. Full Poll Results Here - |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
37. Anyone who says they will vote for mccain if their Democratic candidate isn't chosen, ISN'T a |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
38. excellent news! |
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Moderate-Democrate (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. Let us see if polling will be the same in a few days |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
40. Here's how successful she was (PIC) |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
41. " Democratic presidential race in Pennsylvania exactly where it was a week ago." |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Um you do realize that you will have to wait till 2012 to do that right? |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
45. I'm surprised! |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Never underestimate HRC's ability |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. She ran into Obama ... |
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rndmprsn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
46. K&R |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
47. New poll leaves Hillary with "bitter beer" face. |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
48. Thanks. Is there a debate this Wednesday? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
51. Way cool! nt |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
52. "stalled the Illinois senator's momentum" Good on.!! |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
53. anything under double digits is good for Obama. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. It depends on how you define "good". If he wins the race is over |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
56. Survey USA also shows no "bitter bounce" for Hillary. Obama actually picks up four points... |
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acetylyne (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
57. Yet Kudlow and company were touting Hillary up 20%? |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Kudlow- Mr. Trickle down economics |
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Az_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I heard that 20% BS on Lou Dobbs last night... |
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