YES!! Hope this is a trend!

[MoonRiver]

Read to the last message in thread. :toast:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x549574

[freetobegay]

1. I tend to agree

I just wish anti Kerry people would find another board to put their vile on. Kerry is going to be the Nominee, they need to get use to that fact, or go somplace else. Their guy lost (insert name) fair & square.

[Catt03]

2. Thanks ....I'm glad someone finally said it

(at least that I have read).

Some of these threads are so non supportive.

[DEMVET-USMC]

5. I agree,and at this point in time,why would a true Democrat oppose Kerry?

There are only two possible choices, Kerry or Bush. The choice is clear and get out there and vote for John Kerry. He has been one of my Senators since he was first elected and has served our State very well and I am proud that the People of Massachusetts have seen fit to re-elect him along with Senator Kennedy over these many years. I have worked as a volunteer for both Senators during their campaigns and am very proud of the courage and dedication both of these men have shown these many years. All the way with JFK ! ! ! ...Oscar

[Larkspur]

7. A true Democrat may be disgusted at the poor quality of leadership

within her/his own party and Kerry is one prime example of it. His waffling on issues, like the Iraq war, speak volumes about Kerry seeking office for self-centered reasons, not to serve the people with integrity and political courage. When the going gets tough politically, Kerry ducks for cover.

I'm voting for Kerry, and hope Bush loses, but I don't like Kerry and hope he gets run ragged during the campaign. And assuming he wins the White House, I'll be laughing at him when those foreign leaders give him the finger when he asks them to send in their troops into Iraq to give our troops a reset and to guard our oil.

[mountainvue]

3. Thank God.

Or thank mod.:)

[Rowdyboy]

4. Truly, there are other boards for that

kind of mindless, hateful trash. If you have a serious point, make it. If not, STFU or go somewhere your blind hatred of Kerry is welcome.

[MessiahRp]

6. Just to clarify

One of the things the DU Mods were informed of, and I agree with was that DU's goal is to elect John Kerry in November and that we'll only allow so much in the way of disagreement with him. In other words if you're always posting against him, then you're not with us in your goal and you're not our friend in this process.

That being said, I kind of took it upon myself today to draw the line in the sand a little, but I also want people to know I feel the same way about flamebaiting Clark, Dean, Kucinich, Edwards or any of our guys.

I have been personally working for the Wisconsin Kerry campaign for over a year and I was right there in the middle of Iowa when there was strife between all the camps. But all of that is over now. We need to gather the troops around and aim our cannons to the Right.

This November we need to pool our resources and Vote Democrat all the way through. Kerry is the biggest step, but he is just one of many. And to me, all of the aforementioned guys are helping our cause and I want them and all of their supporters on the same bandwagon with us as we head into battle.

I want every Dem, every Liberal, and hell even a bunch of Greens and Socialists with us so we can charge into Washington and kick Republican ass.

So I have been a lot less lenient with Kerry bashing and Clark bashing, and any bashing as I should be. But forgive me for the quick hook... because I want to win in November and we need all of us to do it.

Rp

[Larkspur]

8. Some of us aren't sheep following the Kerry herd

and we have little trust in Kerry. Some of us, like me, have been contributing members in both money and posts to this board since almost it's beginning, so I don't respect newer members telling me to shut up.

I'll vote for Kerry because the alternative is a disaster, but that doesn't mean I have to like Kerry or speak well of him.

[JI7]

9. some are sheep who worship a loser candidate

they can't get over the fact that kerry kicked that candidate's ass. so they come on just to bash.

[merh]

10. Some people take all of the fun out of trying to win an election

and outs an insane, crazy, ruthless, evil, lunatic who is destroying our country and who is bring our world closer to WWIII than I ever thought possible in my life time.

That old timer stuff was classic, like when I disagreed with my parents on the vietnam war as a teen, you have no right to tell me to shut up, I am an adult and you don't know anything, you haven't been around long enough. Whenever they would trash anti-war demonstrators I would remind them of what they had taught me "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

Give me a break.

[MessiahRp]

11. I didn't say "Shut up"

But there are more productive ways to help the Democratic agenda than smashing our candidate into bits so that he hasn't a prayer in hell in November because everyone who has listened to you now thinks he's a jagoff.

That strategy gives us four more years of Bush, and to me that is a stupid strategy for any self-professed liberal to follow.

Instead of attacking Kerry, why aren't you using all this energy to attack Bush and his cronies, or possibly working on a local candidates campaign to get a Democrat in there.

And if you don't want to do that, and you don't like the Democrats that are running or at all for that matter, why are you on Democratic Underground at all?

Sure I may not have the same post count as you (although I have been here since 2002 so don't think I'm new just because I don't post a ton), but I was made a mod because Skinner had confidence in my judgment.

In that spirit I wish you would as well. I am not attacking you. I know not all of us are gung ho Kerry guys. And during this campaign he's playing center-right to get the swing voters. Of course Bush played center-left in 2000 and then he was elected and unveiled his real agenda and we can only hope that we swing far left when Kerry's in.

But stop going around thrashing the guy all of us support as our candidate. Help the Democratic cause, don't hurt it. And hell, there has to be something positive in your area you can post about as well. Take that energy and help us get more Dems elected at home because it helps us all Nationally as well.

Being productive with that energy is far superior to being negative and tearing down the leader of our cause at the moment. Kerry may not be 100% far left, but there's just no way to say he's as bad as the alternative.

We need to win this thing, more than ever. I just wish you were totally on our side instead of ripping apart our only shot to take our Presidency back.

Rp

[buff2]

15. I'll bet you make the rightwing lurkers smile.

You don't like Kerry fine....but why give the other side something to crow about? Do you really think we are the only ones reading these threads? I'm sure there are plenty of anti-Kerry sites you could go to. Bashing him here is uncalled for.As far as sheep following the Kerry herd,that is really insulting.Some of us want bu$h out.It doesn't sound too much like you do.

[buff2]

13. Thank you

I have to admit I am really sick of all the Kerry bashing and the bashing of the rest of our dems.I was so angry about that thread I got off the computer.There are far too many threads like that,it's more like a FR board. I don't understand people on this board who are supposed to be against bu$h but it's not him they are going after.....so much of the time it is Kerry or some other dem.Thank goodness I'm not a mod. I couldn't be that lenient with all these bashers. Can you imagine how it looks to lurkers? It's embarrassing disgraceful,and unacceptable,since our main goal is to take back the WH from the republican thugs.Some of the posts I read in here never cease to amaze me. It's really time consuming to sort through all the BS stupid threads.To me,it seems out of control.Thanks again...that thread needed locked 42 posts ago. :hi:

[MoonRiver]

14. Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!

I try to steer clear of bashing any Dem, other than Joe and Zell. If we want to win Kerry hating threads just shouldn't be allowed anymore.

:grouphug:

[juajen]

24. Right on!!!

I concur. On to November. I think Kerry is doing great, and I love the potential first lady. WTF, this is a democratic board. It's about time everyone who posts here at least keeps their vitriol to a minimum.

[MessiahRp]

12. BTW I didn't just do it for Kerry posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=549813&mesg_id=550209

I did it to a Clark bashing thread today, and I removed one Edwards and one Dean bashing post each just moments before this. It's all relative to the severity of the slams however so I have to be 100% sure on the removal, but you get the point.

We should all take a moment and stop bashing the supporters of one candidate or another just to get a rise out of each other and start being more supportive of one another as a whole.

That I think is what DU is hoping for, although not banking on, and I know as a Mod I have a duty to try to keep this board as clean as I can.

Rp

[union_maid]

16. I thank you

DU was a breath of fresh air when I got here, which was last year, I guess. Then the primaries started, but I'd been warned. I became a Clark supporter and was kind of taken aback at the way that some RW talking points were embraced by some Democrats here, but that's nothing to the dismay I feel now that we have our candidate and he gets bashed. I can go to RW sites for Kerry bashing. Here, it's just very depressing and discouraging.

[buff2]

18. I read this on FR a long time ago......

They were laughing and yucking it up at how they were DU members and had over a thousand posts,how they were posting just like they were one of us and how they were going to blow their cover after the election and Bu$h was elected "again". They said it was going to be such fun to throw it in the "democraps" faces how they fooled us all this time. After reading that,it makes me suspicious of threads that bash and complain all the time about Kerry. Could it be one of "them"? Kinda makes ya wonder...

[MessiahRp]

19. I am pretty positive there are FR lurkers

all over this board, but I don't think I can call out Larkspur for being one. Is his anti-Kerry rhetoric offensive to a lot of DUers here? Yes. Does that make him a FReeper? Not neccesarily.

Let's not degenerate this post into a calling out session.

The purpose of my comments were to say, "Hey, I know you don't agree with Kerry on a lot of stuff but stop bashing him so mercilessly. Let's all work together here."

That's all.

I don't want this post to turn into a flame war where I have to lock it because passer bys get offended or think it is meant to call out other DUers so they send alerts or something.

:)

Rp

[buff2]

20. I understand

But the Kerry bashing has got to cease.I'm with you...I want bu$h OUT. :evilgrin:

[buff2]

17. I'm with saywhat.....

Why not lock any thread that bashes a dem? It shouldn't be allowed on a dem board. I think it's ok to voice your opinion if you think they are doing something that could hurt us or the party itself....but to complain about how "boring" they are is ridiculous.We want to win for God's sake. I don't think I could live through another 4 years of this nazi dictatorship.

[MessiahRp]

21. That would be hard

First, it would appear that we are totally destroying any first amendment rights amongst Dems, and while we do shelter ourselves from RW hacks, it would be hard to censor so many of the posts without offending our base entirely.

Also deciding which post is worthy of being termed a bash is purely speculative and it's dependent on the beliefs of that individual mod.

Should we be able to disagree with one another and our choice of candidates? Sure. I don't see why not. But if we instituted a system where we were banning everything that came across as a bash we'd be controlling the entire discussion rather than allowing freedom of thought to roam around here at least in some sense. I don't want DU to be a Nazi paradox.

I think the way we do it now, call it as we see it based on severity is less intrusive.

I just wish we could voluntarily get everyone to call a truce and support every candidate, surrogate and Democrat (well minus Zell) so we can be one unified group that rips Washington a new one this November.

Rp

[MoonRiver]

22. "we can be one unified group that rips Washington a new one this November"

Please, Dog, let it be so! :bounce::kick::bounce:

[MessiahRp]

25. I'm doing my part.. :)

Besides Working for Kerry, I am working for 2 House Candidates, Feingold, and 2 WI State Assembly Candidates... Yeah I kind of wish they paid money so I could support myself better doing it, but hey I am devoting every ounce of time I have to as Tom Berenger's character says in Major League says, "win the whole fuckin' thing".

I don't just want the Presidency... I want it all.

I hope all of you are working with your local candidates to do the same. :)

Rp

[buff2]

23. I do too rp

It is crucial we be united in working to defeat that idiot in the WH.That's all I want. :)

[MoonRiver]

26. Me three.

We gotta get this government back in the hands of sane people, i.e. Democrats. Then maybe we can change things so that third parties have a snowball's chance in heck of winning nationally. But before that happens, bashing our Dem presidential candidate or voting Green is suicidal.