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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:32 PM
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Get used to it, O supporters, BitterGate will be reported as breaking news through 4/22
and if Hillary wins PA by more than 10, it will be positioned as the beginning of the end for Obama.

And, of course, it will all be bullshit. Obama will win NC, OR, MT and SD and this will be more than enough to get him the nomination no matter what happens in the other states.

Meantime, try to do yourselves a favor and avoid cable news. PastorGate lasted two weeks and so will this. They're having too much fun with the horserace to be anything but deeply annoying to you right now.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:35 PM
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1. I just spoke by phone with an Obama volunteer from my
county seat (we're very rural here). She's been on the phone all weekend and said Obama is closing the gap in PA and the people she has talked to are not turned off by the recent Bittergate! It's good news.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:35 PM
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3. That too
:thumbsup:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:39 PM
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13. Thank you for the wonderful news! n/t
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:41 PM
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17. It was great talking with her
She asked if I could drive neighbors to the polls on election day, but I'm working at the polls from 6:30 a.m. until closing.
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MarkInLA Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:35 PM
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2. You're so right
I take comfort in the fact that most Americans aren't paying any attention to the cable news gab-fest. Almost nothing matters until after Labor Day.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:36 PM
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4. Unless she wins PA by 20, then keeps NC close after the momentum, then takes PR by 15
If she does this (and of course KY and WV by high double digits), she will probably lead in the popular vote even without MI and FL.

People can keep spinning how the popular vote doesn't matter, but its the superdelegates that decide that, and many have them have said that it does.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:36 PM
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8. she doesn't have any mo'
so keep spinning all you want...

Hawkeye-X
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:37 PM
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9. You don't think she'll get any mo if she wins PA by 20 points?
LOL

I think even most Obama supporters would admit that there will be *some* momentum.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:39 PM
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14. A tiny one, if anything.
She won't make a dent to Obama's delegate lead.

Hawkeye-X
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:38 PM
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12. Uh yeah...
The ones that have already endorsed the habitual lying skunk.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:36 PM
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5. Hillary's baseline for PA is 18%
if she win by 10%, then it's an Obama win.

Otherwise, she's done for.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:36 PM
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7. Actually let's just call it 60% while we're at it. If she doesn't win 80-20, her future is ruined.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:37 PM
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10. So you mock me?
Shoo. Hillary started PA with a big lead, which Obama has skillfully sliced and diced, and I'll be keeping an close eye on the PA lead on my flight home from New York.

Hawkeye-X
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:42 PM
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19. I'll stick to facts. She has to win PA, and EVERY primary thereafter by 28 points.
...that would still require that she take 64% of the remaining superdelegates, but I'll give her that.


...and that would put her exactly 2 delegates ahead of Obama.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:36 PM
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6. Ah, unless something bigger comes down the pike. I still want
someone to connect the dots between big dawg and China, especially with Hillary badmouthing China on the one hand while filling her/their coffers on the other. Guess that's too much to expect.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:38 PM
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11. Sadly, it is
The media have no interest in corruption because, go figure, they're corrupt. Anything that smacks of influence peddling is deeply reassuring to the owners...reconfirms for them that they have control at the end of the day. It would be nice if more than a small group of us actually cared enough to penalize the Clintons for their double-dealing, but I haven't seen it.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:40 PM
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15. I'm beginning to beleive this bittergate may help OBama painting HRC as out of touch
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:20 PM
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28. I agree! NT
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:40 PM
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16. 310, 768, 592
The number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.
For those who were curious last week.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:41 PM
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18. I'm beginning to beleive this bittergate may help OBama painting HRC as out of touch
She seems liek a cheerleading Republican lately.

The fear of class warfare bristles its head when Obama dares to declare people are bitter over their economic situation.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:44 PM
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20. Oooooh1 Obama supporters are getting a taste of
Corp I want a horserace MSM...and they don't like it. Poor things.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:47 PM
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21. It might well do that, but as many commentators have noted, it will
be very easy for Hillary to overplay her hand on this, and from the sound of things, she may well be doing that with the media going along for the ride.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:48 PM
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22. Hillary is a hypocrite...
"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.

A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times, reported that Clinton made the following remarks:

"You know, he wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

For comparison's sake, here is Obama's statement, reported by Mayhill Fowler for Huffington Post's OffTheBus:
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:49 PM
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23. Nope, after Wed debates and he rips her ass over NAFTA, Columbia, and Bosnia
that will be the conversation leading up to 4/22
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:53 PM
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24. The debate is a godsend for Obama
And I think he'll have a good night. But I'm terminally cynical about the media...I'm expecting them to spend a night on it and then get back to Bitter.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:54 PM
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25. You are right on both. I am more convinced every day the media is in Hillary's pocket.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 03:54 PM by Bensthename
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:59 PM
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27. Hillary Is In The Corporate News Pocket
There is a very good reason they are pimping the shit out of her, she is their fucking lap dog.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:59 PM
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26. Start sending complaints to the media outlets.
They took a very public black eye when they took the Wright thing too far and made Rev. Wright into a cartoon character.

Having one black eye makes your face look uneven. Let's make it even again, shall we? :evilgrin:
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