Hillary gets a BITTER reaction from the crowd.

[Hepburn]

Good work, Hilly...your plant got that tape of Obama and your started the bullshit on "bitter." Today, you spoke before a Union gathering in PA where Obama also spoke. He got cheered ~~ you got booed.

It was just reported on the news...and the tapes of your getting booed are being played over and over and the reporters are calling it: "Hillary gets a BITTER greeting."

I am so fucking glad this blew up in your lying face!

:evilgrin: Make my day, Hilly!

[kentuck]

1. I can't say she doesn't deserve it.

She worked hard for it.

[Hepburn]

4. A song comes to mind...

.."She works hard for her money..."

:rofl:

[EVDebs]

13. and Randy Newman's "It's Money That Matters" should have been her theme song

Plus Obama can really have fun with this if he does this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5497138&mesg_id=5497138

[charlie]

18. Short people got nobody...

is more like it.

(for the literal pinchbritches among us, I'm talking about the smallness of her character, not her height)

[markbark]

174. Randy Newman Theme Song?

Why not?
It seems that Political Science by Mr. Newman has become the unofficial National Anthem since December 12, 2001 (made permanent March 23, 2003)

--MAB

[EVDebs]

180. Music video of It's Money That Matters

http://www.spike.com/video/s-money-that-matters/2790850?cmpnid=800&lkdes=VID_2790850

I love Knopfler's guitar and Newman's lyrics !

[heliarc]

177. Not to mention "Good Old Boys" and "Rednecks"

Cause we're rednecks, we're rednecks...

We don't know our ass from a whole in the ground...

And other lyrics I won't type in good company.

[psychopomp]

121. link (video)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hillary+booed&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

[Yael]

132. Oh man -- thats brutal

[myrna minx]

136. She sure looks smug, doesn't she.

Wow.

[Hepburn]

2. Wow...and thanks! Four rec's in just a few minutes!

I loved watching this....Hilly's snarky BITTER remark and the boo'ing breaks out!

[MindMatter]

142. A sprinkling of polite applause

At least she didn't go home empty-handed.

[Whisp]

3. I am so fucking glad this blew up in her lying face

too!
she truly sickens me! ack!

will look forward to the vid if it's out there.

[Hepburn]

9. Oh....

...it is all over MSNBC...I have seen it at least 4 times already.

And that is their label: Hillary gets a BITTER reaction! :evilgrin:

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. Prediction: Those "Bitter" stickers will be regarded as like the purple band-aids....

...in the GOP convention in 2004.

I bet she'w wondering how she can recall all of those stickers. Too late, Hillary. Your Rove trick is out of the bag, and there's no calling it back.

[cui bono]

110. Bitter stickers???

Wait.... WHA??? Are you saying she gave out Bitter stickers?

:wow:

[Yael]

133. The campaign team showed up with a box of them for a event

this weekend.

They wanted it to look like "spontaneous grass roots support". :rofl:

Heres a link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5471668

More here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5494083

And here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5479814

It was pretty pathetic.

[cui bono]

147. Wow. How low can she go? n/t

[shellgame26]

149. That's why she can't manage

her broke-ass campaign. She's too busy buying useless stickers and snow shovels.

[mhoran]

152. It's almost painful to watch her

She simply cannot understand what's happened. Never saw it coming, doesn't know what to do. Obama has changed the way the game is played, but she's still working from the old playbook. It's all she has.

[crankychatter]

5. I get news after they post it online... no cable

But I hope this drives them back into their freepy-holes

We need to get focussed

I just got an email from a Kansas City Green... have you heard about a bombing in Iran?

[Voice for Peace]

17. Yes and it sounds very suspicious but I don't know anything more.

[crankychatter]

30. ok, was an accident... just got the info

munitions poorly handled in a mosque... says fars tv

not sabotage... not an aerial strike

weird though, munitions in a mosque?

[Liberal Gramma]

51. Didn't that happen in Iraq too

munitions in a mosque, I mean? Seems it was the safest place to stash them since we'd be pilloried if we bombed a mosque.

[NeedleCast]

72. Not unusual

Munitions are kept in Mosques, schools, hospitals because they know western forces wont attack those sort of buildings.

[NightWatcher]

6. Hillary doesnt like Unions and they return the favor

[knixphan]

7. what goes around...

[H2O Man]

8. I just saw that

on MSNBC. It appears that the union workers are more concerned with serious issues than with the distractions that the Clinton campaign is focused on.

[Hepburn]

10. I would have to totally agree...

...she is spewing bullshit at them...treating them like they are a bunch of stupid people who should just be "hopeful" and that is the wrong tone, IMO, to take with a bunch of Union steelworkers. I grew up in a small Ohio town not far from the PA border and she is trying to bullshit the wrong people. They are not interested in her faux outrage...this area has been depressed for years...and her slamming Obama is not of the least interest to them.

JMHO

[livetohike]

31. Right! You cannot bullshit a Union steelworker

(I'm the daughter, granddaughter and niece of steelworkers). :hi:

[NEOhiodemocrat]

111. Hey, me too!

Daughter of Armco steel worker, over here in Ohio, New Miami

[livetohike]

112. Hi!

:hi: Neighbor! We try to explain what it is like - what happened to our region since the early 80's and how people can still be bitter after all this time....

[lynnertic]

171. second that

my grandfather was a union steelworker.

[H2O Man]

39. I talk to relatives

in PA all the time, asking them for their opinions of how the primary will play out. It is fun for me to find out what they are hearing in the different parts of that state.

One cousin says that people are all taking their role in this contest very seriously. She compares it with the way that a good jury approaches its responsibilities. That being the case, I do not think that depending entirely upon theatrics will do well. Bringing up the "bitter" bit yet again is obviously over-playing that hand.

[TahitiNut]

68. My father's family was from Byesville ... his father was a blackballed UMW activist.

Scot-Irish roots, they're people very attuned to getting screwed by the unholy partnership between owners and government. Hillary doesn't have a clue.

[Hepburn]

76. You know....

...the more I see of her, for someone who thinks herself to be totally saavy...she is the shits when it comes to truly understanding how people feel about things that truly matter.

Clueless just seem at times an inadequate word to describe someone like Hillary who is so totally out of touch with human feelings and needs.

[TahitiNut]

88. Hypocritical, manipulative, avaricious, and deceitful ... seems to be an Inside-The-Beltway virus.

Hillary's infected ... too bad we don't do quarantines.

[pansypoo53219]

156. the gnews have the same virus

everything is peachy at the dinner parties.

[PatGund]

96. She's very good at understanding the people.....

....the problem is that the people she understands are all upper-class corporate people like herself.

When it comes to the workers, well, she believes the corporate spin that everything is fine if people would just work harder for less pay. She doesn't understand anything outside of that script. Her life hasn't prepared her for such.

Her husband's has. Sen. Obama's life has. Sen. Clinton's life hasn't. No fault to her for it - but a fault for not seeming to understand that those people have very real problems and concerns that have not been addressed in ages.

[roguevalley]

104. amazing she would call Obama an elitist when she talks about a summer

home as a child. We had one home, as do most people in this country and it barely kept us covered.

[druidity33]

130. oh boy

that is such an excellent point! Spread that far and wide!

:)

[eridani]

134. And don't forget McCains EIGHT houses either n/t

[rg302200]

150. Hey a connection

I live in Byesville NOW!!!! How weird is that? I have been working to turn the county Blue!!! Went heavy for Sherrod Brown and Strickland in '06 but Hillary carried it in the primary. Do you still have connections in this extremely small town?

[TahitiNut]

155. My dad's family moved north to Detroit during the Depression. He was born in Byesville in 1915.

So, he and his brothers and sister grew up there - along with half-brothers and half-sisters. It was a "merged" family. My grandparents were both widowed, he with three daughters and she with five sons (and a deceased daughter), and had five sons (one my dad) and a daughter. (She gave birth to TWELVE kids!) They were married in Jackson, Ohio, and moved to Wellston where he lived at the time and the first boy was born and then they moved to Byesville. My grandfather was born in Union Furnace in 1868(!) and my grandmother was born in Ironton in 1881. I don't believe any relatives (mostly Davis and Clark folk) remain in Byesville. Some went to Canton and some went to Columbus and some went to Cincinatti. The rest came to Detroit sooner or later ... like WW2. (You might notice those towns were all coal-mining towns.)

My family "buckeye roots" run deep ... but I'm a thoroughly Californicated Wolverine. :silly:

[EVDebs]

181. EV Debs was well respected, my grandfather was a mineworker

in the midwest and when blackballed the other grandfather on the other side would use his connections to get him on somewhere else, this was in the early 1900s.

Watch the excellent movie by John Sayles called Matewan. Egads, things haven't changed all that much.

[clevbot]

12. yeah, Hillary must be bitter now

[slinkerwink]

14. fancy that. They want kitchen table issues, not the kitchen sink!

[chill_wind]

27. Great bottom line. Love it! n/t

[bagimin]

87. This has got to be a bitter pill

for Hill.

[meow mix]

11. guess they dont like a wealthy elitist telling them when to be outraged.

especially in that context.

suprise, the public is smarter than the clintons.

[Voice for Peace]

19. Exactly. Her assumption that people are stupid enough to buy this distortion is a deadly one.

[Shakespeare]

15. I was away from DU all weekend, but when I saw her go after him on the news Saturday...

....I turned to my boyfriend and said "bad move; this will backfire on her."

I missed the bloodshed here in DU while you guys duked it out, but it does look as if this attack was not a wise one on Hillary's part.

[Hepburn]

16. You were totally on with your thoughts.

She really made an ass of herself...again.

[Voice for Peace]

23. I think she knew it was a mistake and started spinning it herself to make it appear

that it was only out of concern for the Democrats, ie that the Republicans would try to use this by spinning Obama as elitist, as they did to Gore & Kerry (and as she did herself). Thanks for the concern, Sen. Clinton.

[Hepburn]

43. Interesting thought on that, IMO...

...she knew it when she went for it...and is now trying to spin away from her mistake in hitting Obama with this.

Yep, step back and take a look...and it sure does look that way.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Ah, I was out at the coast myself.

Caught it briefly on the news. The anchor said something like "Hillary supporters think that this may be the end of the Obama campaign" had a good chuckle, and figured it would have backfired by monday morning.

[Az_lefty]

20. Good she needs to get slammed on her bullshit!

[Hepburn]

24. And the plastic smile on her face while she was giving her spin...priceless. See below:

[Eurobabe]

61. dammit hepburn, you made me spew chicken soup

all over my keyboard!! :spray:

:rofl: :rofl:

[Hepburn]

64. Well....at least that was not elitist latte you spewed!

:evilgrin: :hi:

[Eurobabe]

85. no, I am not a latte liberal

i am a bitter bottled water liberal. :headbang:

[Hepburn]

92. LOL....

...I am just a plain old Diet Coke gal! :hi:

[PatGund]

99. and I can't stand coffee at all.

Diet Barq's root beer for me

[druidity33]

131. oh yeah

well i put my bitter well-water in a ... gasp, MASON jar!


Plastic tastes icky...



:)

[Leftist Agitator]

21. As the daughter of a Steelworker, I could have told her that this was going to happen.

The plant that my Dad worked at, Weirton Steel, used to employ 12,000+ people, and was at one time, one of the biggest steel mills in America.

Now, 95% of the mill is shut down, only the tin mill, where they tinplate steel coils, is still functional.

And over 11,000 of those jobs are gone. I spoke with my Dad not long ago, and he said that they're getting ready to scale back again, this time down to 500 workers.

Yes, Hillary, people in the rust belt ARE bitter, and feel abandoned by the Beltway crowd. And there's one thing that I know for GODDAMEND sure... They don't take kindly to a Washington power-broker worth $100,000,000+ telling them to chin up, that everything is roses and sunshine.

When you have guys who've had good jobs in manufacturing for their entire lives, from 18 to adulthood competing with their children and grandchildren for jobs at McDonalds or Wal-Mart, yeah, trust me, bitter is EXACTLY the way that they feel.

[Hepburn]

25. I grew up in a town in the "rust belt" in Ohio.

And...IMO, you speak the truth.

[charlie]

26. Gee, I wonder why it's called the Rust Belt

and not the Lollipops and Sunshine Belt? Anyone know? Hillary?

[Hepburn]

29. Oh....it's not rust....

...it's a HOPEFUL ORANGE COLOR! :sarcasm:

[Leftist Agitator]

36. I've lived in Ohio, Plain Twp., just outside of Canton.

Same story there. Hoover used to have a plant there that's now shut down, there was a high-level machine shop that did high-end custom work, that's gone now. I didn't live there for long enough to really know what other industrial outfits had closed up shop, but in just SIX MONTHS, both of those places shut down, putting hundreds out of work. The only thing that the Canton area has going for it is the huge growth in the service sector in that neck of the woods. But the problem is that even if jobs created and destroyed are equal, the old job paid 40-50 k per year, a nice living wage, whereas the new jobs (restaurant work, mostly, some retail) pay 18-30 k per year.

This has been happening all over PA, OH, WV, and especially MI. Pittsburgh had enough foresight to develop a tech industry through the 70s and 80s before the collapse of traditional heavy industry, otherwise Allegheney county would be in the same boat.

[Hepburn]

40. Heya, I am from the Canton area originally, too!

Little town in Stark County. Still have relatives in Summit County.

And, yeah, you speak the truth. I have seen the rusted out shells of what used to be thriving manufacturing plants. The area truly won the title of the "Rust Belt."

:hi:

[Leftist Agitator]

45. Yep.

But we, who have watched our beloved communities crumble, while Washington not only turned a blind eye but actually accelerated their demise, are not bitter.

No, we're not bitter at all.

:sarcasm:

[Hepburn]

80. Well, I still have some relatives back there...

...and things have gone from bad to worse...and they see NOTHING being done.

Bitter? Hell yes!

[alphafemale]

33. My dad worked there for 42 years.

I remember the pride that used to be in that area. That plant went on maybe a mile or more?

It is so sad that this country is a skeleton of what it once was. We are getting to the point where even the knowledge is being lost...dying off as to how do fire up these plants again if we wanted to.

We are a service economy. And that sucks.

[Hepburn]

38. I went back a few years ago to where I grew up in Ohio.

Not far from Youngstown. There used to be all sorts of manufacturing plants...big ones, small ones, all sorts of things. They are boarded up and rusting. When I was a kid living back there ~~ about 45 years ago now ~~ these plants were not only operating, but running multiple shifts each day. The parking lots were full of new, nice looking cars and peoples' homes were painted, well-taken care of and the lawns were green and flowers were blooming in the spring.

It's like a different world when I was back there awhile back and this was before things got really bad. And Hillary thinks people are not bitter? GMAFB.....

[charlie]

71. Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania

were long the cliches politicos used for homespun America. White picket fences, Boy Scouts, Rotary Club, potlucks, the works. All real, all true. All gone. Hillary thinks she can paper over their descent into angst and decay with platitudes about resilience and optimism? If Obama is half as smart as he appears to be, he can come out on top just by holding the line and sticking to what he said. One of the two actually recognizes their plight, and it ain't the pant-suited phoney-baloney cackler. The resentment merchants on the right (everybody say hello to their newest uncloseted member, Hillary) can try to stir up the usual grievances about character impugned, but the grinding horror of making ends meet is a REAL monster that can't be ignored.

[Divernan]

114. Youngstown started bulldozing over 1,000 abandoned buildings today.

www.news.finditt.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=43193&cat=11 -

"Youngstown, Ohio officials have granted the city permission to bulldoze over 1,000 buildings in an attempt to handle the issue of its shrinking population. Youngstown has been hit by downturns in the steel industry and an increase in foreclosures, leaving abandoned houses, empty neighborhoods and poor real estate. As the industries have left the city, so has the population and desolation.

As a central city in the "Rust Belt", the once-large center of steel production is now suffering, especially since Youngstown Steel and Tube Company became defunct in 1977. Other businesses have left Youngstown, even forcing residents to leave the city to go retail and grocery shopping.

A city program called Plan 2010 is set up to offer $50,000 grants to entice homeowners in sparsely populated neighborhoods to move so the city can knock their houses down, return the lots to green space and increase real estate opportunities. The city will save by cutting back on services like garbage pick-ups and street lighting in deserted areas.

Several organizations will join in the efforts to revitalize Youngstown, such as Youngstown CityScape, Defend Youngstown and the Urban Design Center of Northeast Ohio. In the past 40 years, Youngstown's population has declined from 165,000 to just over 80,000.

[Leftist Agitator]

42. My Dad was there for 38 years.

He started working there when he was 18, forcibly retired from there at 57. He had to take the buyout that they offered the old-timers when Mittal bought the mill a few years back. Fortunately, he was smart enough to have started saving 3x what he usually did in the late 80s - early 90s during the last few years, that plus the buyout money is a nice nest-egg.

Even more fortunately, he managed to get a job at a copper refinery in PA about 45 minutes away from his home, so he's alright. He actually just managed to get my brother-in-law in at the copper plant, which is great news, as he and sis just had their first baby.

Here is the best picture of the mill that I could find:



This pic doesn't do it justice... For more than a mile through the middle of Weirton, you'd drive straight through the heart of the mill, and hear, see and ugh... smell it all.

:)

Sad to see America's industrial might crumble before our eyes, no? I hate going back there to visit. It's too damn depressing.

Those people, MY people haven't had hope in a long, long time, and it disgusts me, utterly disgusts me to see Hillary pretend that everything is just peachy keen, A-OK. They know better, Hillary. They see through your bullshit.

[Ken Burch]

153. Thanks, skypuddle. Your image makes me think of Springsteen lyrics:

"Now Main Street's whitewashed windows, and painted doors.
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to go down there no more.
There closing down the textile mill by the railroad tracks.
Foreman said"These jobs are going boys, and they ain't comin' back"

And these from Si Kahn, who was born in Pennsylvania:

"Well, I'm too old to work, and I'm too young to die.
Tell me, where shall we go, My old gal and I?
There's no children at all in the narrow empty street.
The mill has closed down; it's so quiet I can't sleep."

:cry:

Dammit, we have to unite and fight the bastards.

[livetohike]

34. A belated welcome to DU and

I agree with you. My Dad, Grandfather (both deceased) and two uncles retired from Edgar Thompson works in Braddock, PA. I heard it all from my Dad in the 70's and 80's and even after he retired...

E.T. is still in operation. Obama stopped there a couple of weeks ago.

[Leftist Agitator]

50. Thanks for the welcome!

:hi:

I've actually been here for nearly a year, but just started posting again recently.

Same situation with my family. My great-grandfather on my Mom's side, both of my grandfathers and ALL of my uncles, on both sides, as well as my Dad made good livings and raised families working for the same steel mill, Weirton Steel.

Now, the only industrial outfits that are still running back home at any appreciable level are a Russian-owned coke plant and a Japanese owned steel-finishing plant.

I'm glad to hear that Edgar Thompson is still up and running, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that it's only a fraction of what it once was...

[Hepburn]

54. Glad you are posting!

:hi:

[Leftist Agitator]

55. Glad to be here!

Though I really should be working on my grad work, but oh well... :)

[windbreeze]

101. I received a note from the United Steelworkers today...

on the outside of the envelope it asked..GOT ANY FIGHT LEFT IN YOU???..I wonder...are they bitter?? Should they be?? Do they have the right to be??? Methinks Hillary picked the wrong words to make a big deal about and in the wrong state...wb

[Hepburn]

113. Wow...

...now that is very interesting.

IMO, this area has been hard hit ... it is no place for Hilly to play the faux elitist card. They ARE bitter and she blew it by making fun of how deeply they hurt.

Like I say: Make my day, Hilly! :evilgrin:

[Scurrilous]

22. K & R

:thumbsup:

[uponit7771]

28. She's getting what she deserved

[ORDem]

179. But, but , but .... she once shot a duck. She said so!! Doesn't that count for

anything anymore???

:rofl:

[crankychatter]

32. cnn just did obama's reaction with a voice over... none of his words

and they aren't pickin up the boo story

Clinton News Network... oh well

[Democrats_win]

35. Leaders, don't call us bitter or frustrated. Do something to fix it!

Even pathetic bush is involved. He said, "Look, I know people are frustrated...."

What good is that?

As a bitter frustrated American, I want this mess fixed. BTW, fix it with a sledge hammer. It's that bad.

[Life Long Dem]

37. The booing shouldn't be restricted to unions.

[BumRushDaShow]

41. K&R

What goes around comes around.

[RememberWellstone]

44. Obama supporters

"We can't handle the truth!" So we disrupt it!:eyes:

[scheming daemons]

48. Um..... Obama's remarks WERE the truth.... and they are handling it just fine...

...

[RememberWellstone]

56. He is back peddling, parsing and misspeaking

He knows exactly what he said..not what he "really" believed or whatever b.s. he said to cover it. He just pissed off middle America.

[Hepburn]

60. Sooooooo....

...let us for a moment deal with reality, OK?

Did you see the appearances both of them made before the PA Union gathering this morning?

One of them got booed and one got cheered. Guess what? Your candidate lost on that one.

You still wish to peddle your bullshit that middle America is pissed off at Obama? If so, why did they cheer him this morning and boo her?

[RememberWellstone]

69. Booing and cheering is the gauge?

I would think you would take a quick glance at the polls to get a more accurate gauge of who is doing what. Obama said what he said, excatly the way he wanted to say it. He is out of touch. No pre-written speech can cover what he said exactly the way he felt. He just called middle America a bunch of gun toting, religious morons and he knows it.

[Hepburn]

78. It may come as total shock to you...

...as it appeared to have come to your Queen this AM...but, yeah, when people boo that means they don't like what is taking place. When they cheer they like it.

Anything else I can clear up for you? :eyes:

And...the polls show Obama with a 10 point national lead...your point?

[jettison]

90. clueless is as clueless does

Obama is a very religious man. How is he calling anyone a "religious moron"? He's not. People vote on the issues that matter to them most (gun control, abortion rights, religious freedoms) when they're convinced that Washington will do nothing at all to cure their economic strife.

And why don't you go ahead and give us your opinion on the topic while your at it... Do Americans turn to religion when they're frustrated and down and out?

Do Americans focus on things like guns because TV news polarizes us into a culture of fear?


If you don't believe those two statements then I question your IQ, your sincerity, and my sanity for even bothering to address you at all.

[Yael]

135. I would think that its a pretty good indicator of support

:rofl:

[Kool Kitty]

126. Perhaps instead of trying to explain

what he said, he should have just laughted and asked, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" It worked for Hillary.

[Two Americas]

97. they are not true

Even in the reddest of red areas, 40-45% of the people are Democrats. Democratic voting households are just as likely to have firearms as Republican voting households.

Church is an important part of the community in rural areas, just as it is in urban African American communities.

It is the failure of the Democrats to take strong positions on economic issues that is the problem. Perhaps that is what Obama meant. But what he said reinforces - quite clearly, judging by the defenses of Obama that we are seeing here - arrogant and condescending attitudes, as well as supporting denial of the failures of the Democratic party. "They are voting against their own interests" for example. That suggests that the fault is with the rural voters - "they are stupid," and that gets expressed here all of the time - and that the fault is not with the party. "They vote Republican because of their jeebus and their gun obsession" - and that is expressed here all of the time, too.

It is ironic that so many people are defending Obama from the charge that he betrayed an arrogant and condescending attitude by expressing their own arrogant and condescending attitudes. Diverting the discussion off into whether or not people are "bitter" merely hides that from view and distracts people.

Clinton is no better, so let's not go there. By saying that people are not bitter in response, she demonstrated that she doesn't understand this issue, either.

[dbmk]

141. Except for the fact..

.. that Obama specifically laid the fault for their choices at the feet of Washington politicians that has given those people no reason to vote on economic issues, but instead on wedge issues.

Its a severe case of subjective framing when that is spun into him calling them stupid and not acknowledging that the party had its reponsibility for that. Because he did the exact opposite.

I fail to see that the reponses here does anything else either. There are tons of reponses here from people that know people in the situations described - that agree with what he said. And VERY few that might even come close to what you describe, in terms of arrogance and condescending attitudes towards the people Obama had in mind.
Yes, there are some comments sometimes that are less than bridgebuilding, but that stems more from frustration than arrogance, I'd say.
Yet another good thing coming from Obamas angle on this issue, is that many people here, and other places I'd guess, now see it in a slightly different light and have slightly different attitude towards the problem, having gotten a reminder to shoot at the people responsible - not the people reacting to the situation.

The real arrogance and condescending attitudes are towards Hillary that is playing and spinning this, when she knows he is right. And if she doesn't, she is quite obviously out of touch - with the current situation and history in general.

Obama was asked why he had problems gaining the trust of people in certain areas. And he basically said: "They have been given little reason to, by my predecessors. The promises I make, they have heard before, only to be let down. So they stick with what they know. Can't blame them."

He in NO way laid the fault at their feet.

[Two Americas]

144. this is refreshing

You and I are actually reading each other's posts and responding thoughtfully. Maybe we can start a trend. :) Thanks, it is much appreciated.

Obama specifically laid the fault for their choices at the feet of Washington politicians that has given those people no reason to vote on economic issues, but instead on wedge issues.

I hope that is what he meant, and perhaps he did. In my view, the fault for losing rural voters and blue collar people to the Republicans is ours, as Democrats. Of course they are wedge issues, but there shouldn't be anything to wedge. There are many Obama supporters who think he meant the opposite of that, and have strongly said so.

Its a severe case of subjective framing when that is spun into him calling them stupid and not acknowledging that the party had its responsibility for that. Because he did the exact opposite.

But Obama supporters are doing that, as well. It isn't spin, it is a prejudice. It is a problem throughout the party - the stereotyping of and prejudice against those who are not "like minded," which is mostly about style and taste.

I fail to see that the responses here does anything else either. There are tons of responses here from people that know people in the situations described - that agree with what he said. And VERY few that might even come close to what you describe, in terms of arrogance and condescending attitudes toward the people Obama had in mind.

Most of those responses are saying that people are bitter. That is a different issue.

The arrogance and condescension among people here bubbles up almost every day. Of course, calling them "repukes" means that it is open season on the "stupid, redneck, knuckle dragging, fundies" and every other mean spirited thing they can be called imaginable.

Yet another good thing coming from Obamas angle on this issue, is that many people here, and other places I'd guess, now see it in a slightly different light and have slightly different attitude toward the problem, having gotten a reminder to shoot at the people responsible - not the people reacting to the situation.

We can hope that this is true. That is all I have been asking for, so how come I am given such a hard time? Several people responded to me today "he is right! They ARE stupid."

The real arrogance and condescending attitudes are toward Hillary that is playing and spinning this, when she knows he is right. And if she doesn't, she is quite obviously out of touch - with the current situation and history in general.

Oh, never mind "Hillary." She is just as culpable on this, or maybe more so.

Obama was asked why he had problems gaining the trust of people in certain areas. And he basically said: "They have been given little reason to, by my predecessors. The promises I make, they have heard before, only to be let down. So they stick with what they know. Can't blame them."

If that is in fact what he meant to say, that would be great. Most Obama supporters, judging by the responses I have gotten here on this issue, heard the opposite of that - "it is the truth and those people need to hear the truth."

He in NO way laid the fault at their feet.

Well, he sure left the door wide open for people to interpret it that way, and I have seen mostly Obama supporters who heard it that way, not Clinton supporters.

[Two Americas]

146. a little more...

IF Obama is saying that people have no reason to support Democrats, because Democrats have been ignoring them and have not been attacking the root cause of their impoverishment or giving them a clear and strong economic program to vote for, and so therefore have nothing other than the 2nd amendment upon which to decide how they will vote, and Republicans have effectively exploited that, that would be one thing. How trade and immigration and religion get mixed in there, I am not sure.

IF on the other hand, Obama is saying (as many of his supporters think he is) that "they" - rural people presumed to be voting Republican - cling to their religion and guns (and are racists) because they are bitter about politics (and not smart enough to see that they are voting against their own self-interest) that is another thing altogether. How we could work trade into that one is a mystery.

I don't know which he is saying. I never had that problem with Edwards, by the way. People who hold diametrically opposing views about this both think that he agrees with them.

Some - very few - think that Obama is addressing the issue of the dismal failure of the Democratic party to represent and go to bat for the working class. That is the best possible interpretation, but not one that most Obama supporters are in favor of, from what I have seen. Others think that he meant to express sympathy for rural people, but still there is the implication that those people should wise up and get on the Obama bandwagon. Others - most, insofar as I have seen - think he is "telling the truth" about the stupidity of the voters and the evilness of the Republicans. Those second two interpretations are condescending and arrogant - one is the "nice doggie" approach and the other is the "bad dog!" approach, both clearly condescending - and just happen to perfectly reflect a pervasive prejudice in the activist community.

Is it not most likely that Obama is playing to the activist community, especially since we are in primary season? It certainly has fired the activist community up. If not, why would his remarks not have been crystal clear as to what he meant, especially now that he has had an opportunity to clarify them?

[dbmk]

163. Appreciate the response

and most of all the style. :)

First rule of having a decent discourse is to be, at least, prepared to concede some points. And I might have been to unwilling to do that in my first response. And I appreciate your levelheaded response even more so in that light

I grant you the fact that too many are still viewing this subject with some disdain for the people in question.

But I think Obama himself is not one of them - and I think he is helping in that regard.
Granted, his first words on the matter might not have been completely perfect. I think the primary trail sometimes hones what I would call the "poll language" a bit too much, and leads all the candidates to use some language that can make them seem distanced as they convey a sense of putting people in columns in the spreadsheets. And that sometimes slip out in a publicly expressed statement. Sort of being to election technical, while your personal view might be more emphatic and faceted.

But given his community work in his earlier days and his subsequent elaborations on it, I truly feel that he is sympathetic to and recognises their plight.
And recognises that the issue is not red/blue, but "How do we convince these people again that blue is their true colour".

[Hepburn]

49. Did you make up that retort by yourself...

...or did it take a group effort?

:eyes:

[RememberWellstone]

58. Why, yes I did.

Thanks for the compliment.

[Hepburn]

62. Yes, to a Hillary supporter what I said would be a compliment.

They actually did something without a Hill Hound group effort. Congrats...:eyes:

[CakeGrrl]

53. Huh?? Sounds like the Union workers KNOW the truth

and 'truth' doesn't have anything to do with what the HRC campaign flings out there in desperation.

Those voters know the score even if the MSM tries to cover for the Clinton campaign.

Maybe if she wasn't so desperate to discredit Obama and could actually win on her own merit, she wouldn't keep running smack into walls and being recognized as the dirty player she has turned out to be. Thankfully some people on the ground - the ones who will go to the polls - are seeing through her tactics.

[RememberWellstone]

59. You mean these union workers?

“He’s just totally out of touch with voters in Pennsylvania, said Manna, staff representative of the local American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Right.

[Hepburn]

66. And you are out of touch as to what Wellstone was all about.

Your point?

[jettison]

91. Is anyone missing the fact that...

... Hillary Clinton is calling the likely democratic nominee for the President of the United States "Out of touch". No matter her real opinion (and this certainly isn't her real opinion as it's done entirely for spin), that is an absolutely disgusting thing to say about the man who will attempt to lead your party to victory in the near future.

Classless, classless, classless.

[NJmaverick]

63. The 'truth" is your candidate is well on her way to becoming as hated

as george bush. Which comes as no suprise when you consider she has been behaving just like him (although not as smart, since he knew enough not to make the attacks himself).

[Life Long Dem]

75. What? Only MSM can attack?

[Divernan]

117. Says Remember Wellstone as he/she disrupts the OP

[LSK]

128. so everyone is ready to party because they cant find a job????

:shrug:

[SwampG8r]

145. you

are the first hillary supporter to post on this thread and you did it to disrupt
now go back to your corner and stfu

[Eurobabe]

47. I heard it. This shit will backfire right up her ass.

Mark my words. PA'ers aren't as stoopid as Hillary, McInsane and the M$M thinks they are --

[Hepburn]

52. I think she is so clueless...

...that she might actually believe that the booing was about Obama's remarks and not for her bullshit about what he said.

Clue, Hillary: People ARE bitter!

[NJmaverick]

67. Guess the real elitists got it wrong, people are not so stupid

as to buy the BS they are trying to peddle.

[here_is_to_hope]

57. Motherfucking SNICKER!!! n/t

[NJmaverick]

65. What a shock, she attacks the Democratic party and liberal ideals

and people don't take kindly to it. Go figure! The sooner this shrew is out of the race, the better off we all will be.

[Life Long Dem]

79. It's as if her and MSM can only attack. And without an adequate defense from Obama.

[AtomicKitten]

70. That's bitterness blowing up in her face.

[FatDave]

74. Ha ha!

[zulchzulu]

77. That boomerang smacking her ass has gotta hurt

I officially can't stand her. She has gone WAY over the brink.

[L0oniX]

81. ...

:nuke:

[Arugula Latte]

82. Everything Hillary touches turns to ca-ca.

She's got a reverse-Midas thing goin' on. :)

[Hepburn]

83. LOL....

...the "Touch of Feces!"

:rofl:

[Pisces]

84. It's called Karma Hillary.

[bdamomma]

86. Instead of attacking McCain

Hillary keeps on going after Obama, hey Hillary he is not the repig!!!!!!!!!!! her priorities are all screwed up, no wonder grandpa mcsame is smiling.

[Tarc]

89. The crowd must have been "bitter" after seeing the latest polling numbers

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

103. What is 2+2?

[Stephanie]

93. Excellent!

Is the youtube up yet?

[fascisthunter]

94. Hey Hillary.... Don't Be ,,,, ready for it....

bitter.

"Cackle, cackle, cackle"

[Catherina]

95. ! ROFL! Cou;dn't have happened to a nicer person n/t

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hepburn]

105. Ck out the vids of this...

...she just kind of stood there with a frozen smile on her face! Priceless...:evilgrin:

[Oilwellian]

98. Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbP5WAwhWrE

[Hepburn]

100. Thanks....

....I was looking for a link to the vid! :hi:

[cboy4]

102. Another day, more alcohol.

Right Hepburn?

[Joe Chi Minh]

106. Never ceases to amaze me how casually and dopily the right wing insults the

intelligence of the American people. And they wonder why they tank so badly!

I really look forward to the next dopey Swift Boat baloney, people see through straight away. It always gives me a buzz when I spot the latest one. What else have they got? Nothing....

[jenmito]

107. YES-I LOVED it!

K&R!

Hey, Hepburn! :hi:

[Hepburn]

116. Heya, Jen!

Good to see you...as always! :hi:

[Raine]

108. LOL karma bites Hillary

in the ass! :spank: :evilgrin:

[stratomagi]

109. Remind you of anyone?

[Hepburn]

118. LOL....too freaking perfect! n/t

[Kaleko]

138. OMG, yes! The Annette Bening Character in American Beauty...

That shameless, hyper-ambitious, sexually frustrated shrew could have been modeled after Hillary.

[K Gardner]

115. 81ST REC, and I haven't even seen it. Have had TV turned OFF all day

because I couldn't bear to hear the continued b/s spewed by pundits, but THRILLED to hear this.

[Hepburn]

119. I watched it live....

...it was a JOY to behold!

:evilgrin:

[WillyT]

120. Rec 84 !!! - I Hope She Gets Booed From Here On Out !!!

God she makes me wretch!

:puke:

[tekisui]

122. KNR! We, the People are not as stupid as Queen Hillary thinks we are.

[Beregond2]

123. It's not just the Rust Belt

that is in this situation. Here in my small town in WA state, a big aluminum plant closed, and one of the major paper companies sold out to a Canadian company, who are closing down the paper machines step by step. They can't compete with foreign labor, thanks to "free trade." And who were the people filling the rooms at my caucus, voting for Obama? Those same, embittered industrial workers.

"Elitist" my ass. Hillary uses the classic tactic of sociopaths: she quickly accuses others of what she is guilty of herself, in order to put them on the defensive and deflect attention from her own culpability. But after seeing this ruse artlessly deployed for seven years by Bush, people are on to it, and it ain't workin'!

[liberaldem4ever]

124. K & R!! Good!! n/t

[me b zola]

125. K&R

[LSK]

127. K&R # 100

[kwenu]

129. I called it for a backfire last Saturday. It was just a matter time.

[madrchsod]

137. i can`t watch her anymore

i used to make forged steel parts in the 70`s we ran 11 hammers and worked three shifts...now the place runs 1 hammer on day shift. then i worked at northwestern steel and wire which at one time employed 4500 but now it`s 350.all these jobs were shipped to mexico or india/china...

she`s never had a fucking clue about the working class

[Zachstar]

139. Haha!! Clinton looks like Bittergate is failing you!

[iamthebandfanman]

140. yup, she just f'd herself going this negative

and everyone but the news hacks know it and are talking about it.

it was debatable whether or not i was going to vote for either of them in the primary up until this came out. it was the final straw.

my money bag, what little i have, just got opened to Obama and will continue to be here on out.

[LaStrega]

143. haven't gone through all the comments (yet) ...

is there any youtube footage per chance?

:kick: and rec'd

[Kurovski]

148. Kick. (nt)

[mcollier]

151. LOL Hell Yeah...

Listen to the Obama crowd get louder... Go to the youtube link below...

[DesEtoiles]

154. .

[LatteLibertine]

157. I would have booed her myself

If I had been there.

[Swamp Rat]

158. Bitter reaction

:D

[Hardrada]

160. Perfect! You caught the mood.

[nealmhughes]

159. How dare they -- after all she did for workers while at WalMart!

Didn't Gummo Walton himself say she was the best director they had ever had?

The WalMart directorship, like her new bff's Scaife, Penn, and Murdoch are all unrelated to her possibly not having the workers of America, the true Middle America at heart. Any booing is a distraction and sexist in the nth degree.

Y'all don't know her! She does what she wants!

:evilgrin:

[anamnua]

161. She got a 'bitter' reaction from a crowd strategically loaded

with Obamite thugs in classic 'caucus' style.

[anonymous171]

162. No, you're wrong.

Again.

[AtomicKitten]

164. I was a teensy bit worried she might finesse this cheese into something to worry about

but like clockwork she overplayed her hand.

Next time she best bring kryptonite.

[ForeignSpectator]

165. Anybody else notice this?! Every time I heard her refer to Obama's

fundraiser where he made those remarks, she stresses it was in San Francisco. Instead of just "at a fundraiser he made this or that remark" it seems to always be "at a fundraiser in San Francisco".

Might be another subtle way to paint Obama as a (liberal?) elitist... just an idea.

[my3boyz]

166. She deserves every minute of the coverage! nt

[bluerum]

167. bitter much?

[DemVet]

168. What a bullshit thread.

Yes, Hillary did get a few boos. But to say it was from the entire crowd like you suggested is rather disingenuous if not downright lying.

[madmom]

173. Andrea Mitchell on Hardball "These were Obama disrupters"

[dailykoff]

169. The Sista Souljah smackdown that wasn't.

Ouch.

[Perry Logan]

170. Guys--it's not Hilary's fault that Obama screwed up.

[Lerkfish]

172. why isn't my ignore list working?

oh well.

[NedSchneebly]

175. Wow! You're not bitter at all ...

How bitter are these words?

"I am so fucking glad this blew up in your lying face!"

We will see if the bitter "hill-jacks" in PA, NC, & IN see it your way.

(moreover, I hope we send Mr. Elitist a bitter pill to swallow ... while he's eating his words ... some more!)

[Cha]

182. hilary is a sneaky liar and

we're hoping she gets called on her shit.

[polichick]

176. Looks like people are seeing through her condescending rhetoric.

[dbmk]

178. They cleaned it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4pNh2uCes&feature=user

Presto. No boos.