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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:45 PM
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Barack Obama and the Great Surge of Bitterness
Keith Olberman said he wanted context. Here is some context. This is why some Americans get uneasy at the thought of a presidential candidate who has proclaimed himself the Yes, we can! man explaining to his wealthy San Francisco backers that he can not win in Pennsylvania, because the voters are bitter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


Now that the whole audio has come out, we know that he was explaining to potential donors why he, an African-American, is trailing Hillary in that state. It is not his fault that he can not get the message across. It is the fault of the voters. They have allowed themselves to be beaten down, duped, reduced to stereotypes out of Tobacco Road. That is why Barack Obama has to go back west, where sensible educated wealthy people live in order to get more money so he can run more feel good ads back in Pennsylvania in order to persuade the hicks---no, cross that---the bitter people to vote for him. So that he can lift them out of their misery.

Here is what is going through the minds of unemployed Democrats in the dying factory towns:


“People gonna have a look in their eye. They gonna look at you an’ their face says ‘I don’t like you, you son-of-a-bitch.’ Gonna be deputy sheriffs, an’ they’ll move you on. You gonna see in people’s face how they hate you. An’---I’ll tell you somepin. They hate you ‘cause they’re scairt. They know a hungry fella gonna get food even if he got to take it. They know that fallow lan’s a sin an’ somebody’s gonna take it. What the hell! You never been called ‘Okie’ yet.”

Tom said, “Okie? What’s that?”

“Well, Okie use ta’ mean you was from Oklahoma. Now it means you’re a dirty son-of-a bitch. Okie means you’re scum.” John Steinbeck The Grapes of Wrath




Obama is wrong if he thinks that the first thing on the minds of the economically oppressed is anger and bitterness. If they were charged with anger, they would have marched on Washington already. If the people of the United States felt empowered, our 1968 would have been Mai 1968 in France---bigger, more violent, and it would have actually accomplished something besides just a backlash.

Studs Turkel, writing about the Great Depression:

“That there are some who were untouched or, indeed, did rather well isn’t exactly news. This has been true of all disasters. The great many were wounded, in one manner or another. It left upon them an ‘invisible scar’….The suddenly-idle hands blamed themselves, rather than society. True, there were hunger marches and protestations to City Hall and Washington, but the millions experienced a private kind of shame when the pink slip came. No matter that others suffered the same fate, the inner voice whispered, ‘I’m a failure.’”
“True there was a sharing among many of the dispossessed, but, at close quarters, frustration became, at times, violence, and violence turned inward. Thus, sons and fathers fell away, one from the other. And the mother, seeking work, said nothing. Outside forces, except to the more articulate and political rebels, were in some vague way responsible, but not really. It was a personal guilt.” Studs Turkel Hard Times




Obama has been successful because he has followed the model of Jimmy Carter who followed the model of FDR. He has kept his campaign on the message of Hope . Please refer back to my journals Barack Obama and the Great Surge of Hope and Barack Obama Recycles Jimmy Carter for more on Obama’s winning strategy.

Here is how FDR did it as president:

While developing programs to help America emerge from the Great Depression, Roosevelt also needed to calm the fears and restore the confidence of Americans and to gain their support for the programs of the New Deal, including the NRA. One of the ways FDR chose to accomplish this was through the radio, the most direct means of access to the American people. During the 1930s almost every home had a radio, and families typically spent several hours a day gathered together, listening to their favorite programs. Roosevelt called his radio talks about issues of public concern "Fireside Chats." Informal and relaxed, the talks made Americans feel as if President Roosevelt was talking directly to them. Roosevelt continued to use fireside chats throughout his presidency to address the fears and concerns of the American people as well as to inform them of the positions and actions taken by the U.S. government.


http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/fdr-fireside/



Here is how Jimmy Carter became president:

On May 4, 1974, for reasons that were never made clear, Ted Kennedy invited Hunter S. Thompson to accompany him to the Georgia Law Day Address. There, Thompson heard then Governor Jimmy Carter delivery an extemporaneous speech that so moved him that he rushed to his car and grabbed his tape recorder. Keep in mind that Carter was not running for national office at the time. Also, his audience consisted of rich, powerful, social prominent, mostly conservative people who had little interest in the message he shared that day.

His address focused on the issue of the two tiered justice system in Georgia at that time, in which defendants were required to bribe judges or serve draconian sentences for minor crimes. He talked about illegal searches and lack of adequate representation for the poor and about inequality in rates of incarceration and in the treatment of defendants.

http://www.narsil.org/politics/carter/law_day.html
My own interest in the criminal justice system is very deep and heartfelt. Not having studied law, I've had to learn the hard way. I read a lot and listen a lot. One of the sources for my understanding about the proper application of criminal justice and the system of equity is from reading Reinhold Niebuhr, one of his books that Bill Gunter gave me quite a number of years ago. The other source of my understanding about what's right and wrong in this society is from a friend of mine, a poet named Bob Dylan. After listening to his records about "The Ballad of Hattie Carol" and "Like a Rolling Stone" and "The Times, They Are a-Changing," I've learned to appreciate the dynamism of change in a modern society.
I grew up as a landowner's son. But I don't think I ever realized the proper interrelationship between the landowner and those who worked on a farm until I heard Dylan's record, "I Ain't Gonna Work on Maggie's Farm No More." So I come here speaking to you today about your subject with a base for my information founded on Reinhold Niebuhr and Bob Dylan.
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I don't want to go on and on; I'm part of it. But the point I want to make to you is that we still have a long way to go. In every age or every year, we have a tendency to believe that we've come so far now, that there's no way to improve the present system. I'm sure when the Wright Brothers flew at Kitty Hawk, they felt that was the ultimate in transportation. When the first atomic bomb was exploded, that was the ultimate development in nuclear physics, and so forth.
Well, we haven't reached the ultimate. But who's going to search the heart and soul of an organization like yours or a law school or state or nation and say, "What can we still do to restore equity and justice or to preserve it or to enhance it in this society?"
You know, I'm not afraid to make the change. I don't have anything to lose. But, as a farmer, I'm not qualified to assess the characteristics of the 9,100 inmates in the Georgia prisons, 50 percent of whom ought not to be there. They ought to be on probation or under some other supervision and assess what the results of previous court rulings might bring to bear on their lives.
I was in the governor's mansion for 2 years, enjoying the services of a very fine cook, who was a prisoner - a woman. One day she came to me, after she got over her 2 years of timidity, and said, "Governor, I would like to borrow $250 from you."
I said, "I'm not sure that a lawyer would be worth that much."
She said, " I don't want to hire a lawyer. I want to pay the judge."
I thought it was a ridiculous statement for her; I felt that she was ignorant. But I found out she wasn't. She had been sentenced by a superior court judge in the state, who still serves, to 7 years or $750. She had raised, early in her prison career, $500. I didn't lend her the money, but I had Bill Harper, my legal aide, look into it. He found the circumstances were true. She was quickly released under a recent court ruling that had come down in the past few years.
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My heart feels and cries out that something ought to be analyzed, not just about the structure of government, judicial qualifications councils and judicial appointment committees and eliminating the unsworn statement - those things are important. But they don't reach the crux of the point - that now we assign punishment to fit the criminal and not the crime.

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The point of the book is, and what Tolstoy points out in the epilogue is, that he didn't write the book about Napoleon or the Czar of Russia or even the generals, except in a rare occasion. He wrote it about the students and the housewives and the barbers and the farmers and the privates in the army. And the point of the book is that the course of human events, even the greatest historical events, are not determined by the leaders of a nation or a state, like Presidents or governors or senators. They are controlled by the combined wisdom and courage and commitment and discernment and unselfishness and compassion and love and idealism of the common ordinary people. If that was true in the case of Russia where they had a czar or France where they had an emperor, how much more true is it in our own case where the Constitution charges us with a direct responsibility for determining what our government is and ought to be?
Well, I've read parts of the embarrassing transcripts, and I've seen the proud statement of a former attorney general, who protected his boss, and now brags on the fact that he tiptoed through a mine field and came out "clean." I can't imagine somebody like Thomas Jefferson tiptoeing through a mine field on the technicalities of the law, and then bragging about being clean afterwards.
I think our people demand more than that. I believe that everyone in this room who is in a position of responsibility as a preserver of the law in its purest form ought to remember the oath that Thomas Jefferson and others took when they practically signed their own death warrant, writing the Declaration of Independence - to preserve justice and equity and freedom and fairness, they pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor.


Thompson wrote Jimmy Carter and the Great Surge of Hope , an essay that was instrumental in getting Carter attention several years later when he decided to run for president.



When Chris Matthews felt that thrill go up his thigh and Keith Olbermann felt the great surge of hope which I wrote about in my journal, it was because Obama was doing what he does best. However, there is an undercurrent of bitterness and anger within his own campaign that is at odds with his theme:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-coryell/racism-and-clintons-vict_b_90219.html
Racism and Clinton’s Victory in Ohio: Jeff Coryell
I have four points to make about racism and the result in Ohio's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday.First, racism undeniably played an important role.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/gauravsood/CGxMQ
(Regarding Obama’s loss in Nevada on Barack Obama’s Campaign Website)
Will Hispanic racism kill Obama's campaign
By Gaurav - Jan 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pm EST

The answer is probably not because Latinos like African Americans don't like to vote. However the other big story from Nevada is how convincingly Hillary won the Latino vote. Lets explore why?
Just two days ago while I was going back home a bus, I started conversing with the driver, who was of Peruvian descent. The talk moved from everyday things to politics and I asked him whom did he support for presidential candidate. He said Hillary and he in turn asked me and I mentioned Obama. Then this guy looks back at me and says, "Blacks no good". "Always doing drugs ...no no he won't be good. Blacks no good." I gulped and made some lame remark. Now it is useful to note that I am brown skinned and latinos will sometimes confide things in me they may not confide in "gringos". Of course the Peruvian driver was a "Hispanic white".
But anecodtal evidence doesn't quiet count as proof. So add to the above story two things: Racial resentment that Hispanic whites feel against African Americans comes up consistently high on surveys done in Political Science (in fact their resentment against Asians is pretty phenomenal too), and the recent results from Nevada. Even these don't quiet add up to conclusive proof but it gives you a fair idea of the challenges Obama faces.


Let me stress again that this is on the Barack Obama for President campaign website. His slogans are at the top of the page. Now that I have pointed this out. I hope that someone will delete it.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/the_crucial_racist_vote.php
(Mathew Yglesias About Texas)
The Crucial Racist Vote According to MSNBC exit polls, it seems to have put Hillary Clinton over the top.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/09/barackobama.usa1
Did racist voters cost Obama the primary?
Haroon Siddique looks at whether Barack Obama's shock defeat in New Hampshire was a result of the so-called Bradley effect, which suggests that although voters claim to support black candidates they will vote for the white runner on the day


http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/obamas_asian_problem.php
Regarding Hillary’s California win, Matthew Yglesias again, this time on Obama’s Asian Problem , the top most reply:

Is this really that hard? A lot of Asians are really racist, especially the more recent immigrants.
Posted by John | February 8, 2008 8:53 AM


http://www.topix.com/forum/source/berkshire-eagle/T4M2ACHE7NRVL69DG
Is Massachusetts Racist?

Feb 6, 2008

Voters in Alabama and Georgia, states in the Deep South long alleged to be racist, came out in droves to vote for Barack Obama for President.
Whereas, Massachusetts voters, which like to think of themselves as true blue Liberal and enlightened, voted overwhelmingly for the white candidate, Hillary Clinton.
It would appear Massachusetts is far more racist than the Deep South.
GMHeller
Monterey,MA
Bethesda,MD
McLean,VA


Online posts like these create a sad picture. Sadder still when I recall the times I have read these sentiments at Democratic Underground. Racists have a perfectly good party that caters to their prejudices—the Republican Party. In my experience, people join the Democratic Party because it is the party of affirmative action, equal justice, peace, environmental responsibility and a host of other issues. Race matters in the general election but is negligible in the primary. People who harp on poll questions like “Did race influence your decision?” do not stop to consider the possibility that the consideration was “Which candidate will win the general election?” That is not racist. That is pragmatism. The same pragmatic voters think Can a woman win the general ? No doubt after the flurry of sexist attacks on Hillary, many have decided that a woman could never survive a general election in this country, since sexism is still tolerated even within the mainstream press.

No doubt Barack Obama and his supporters feel that it is unfair that some Democratic voters believe that they are taking a chance in the general by voting for an African-American. This makes them bitter. No doubt some Hillary Clinton’s supporters feel that it is unfair that some Democrats believe that they are taking a chance in the general by voting for a woman.

The Obama supporters are so bitter that even though his camp has declared his words “true” (though the word choice poor)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/us/politics/13campaign.html?_r=3&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Mr. Gray also said Mr. Obama was right that voters were bitter, although he said he would have used the word angry. He pointed to a recent poll that found 81 percent of voters believed the country was on the wrong track. He said Mrs. Clinton sounded like “a Pollyanna” in saying that workers were optimistic.


his supporters have declared a secular fatwa on the reporter who reported Obama’s words:

http://roadkillrefugee.wordpress.com/

But there remains a need to explore why the author’s story was posted online gift-wrapped with spin that happened to serve Hillary and McCain’s talking points, and how Hillary’s campaign seemed unusually well prepared to discover it, push it in the MSM, twist it further, and exploit it politically.

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We have the “citizen journalist” Mayhill Fowler who wrote the article after attending the private fund raiser and recording Obama’s remarks at the event. She claimed she recorded Obama’s comments because she was troubled by what she heard — but her article only mentions her being troubled by what she recorded and quoted — how did she know he was going to say something that bothered her before he said it?

On the other hand, if the facts are she recorded the whole thing, and only afterwards chose to release the part that allegedly offended her, why has she held back the rest of the audio recording

The spin is getting me dizzy here. Obama spoke the "truth" (only he used the wrong words), but the reporter who recorded him doing it committed a sin for recording him and is being labeled either a Hillary or an RNC mole (or both) and she should not have released his "truthful" words, even though they are just the "truth". By this I am guessing that the Obama camp is waiting to see how the MSM is going to spin this and they are trying to offer them plenty of different stories to choose from.


At this point I have to interject something. How many Obama supporters took up arms when Matt Drudge took Hillary’s 60 Minutes interview and doctored it so that she appeared to say something that she didn’t really say? I am sure that a lot of you will claim that you did, but I recall the episode, and I remember how many of you insisted that you said “No…as far as I know” as her one and only response to the question. Even though Media Matters had debunked Drudge’s lie (in case anyone needed Media Matters to tell them that Drudge is not reliable). I know that Keith Olbermann kept repeating the Drudge lie and he is supposed to know better Here some links for those of you are insisting at this moment “Yes, she did say it.”

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803030004
http://therealspiel.blogspot.com/2008/03/hillary-clinton-never-said-obama-was.html

Readers, are you happy? We’re all Matt Drudge now! Drudge says it—and we agree to believe it! Meanwhile, Keith goes on the air to complain about what those *ss-holes at SNL said. We’re all cheerful moo-cows now, given this level of leadership.


Very bitter, but that is what this primary has become, with all the sniping back and forth and "gotcha" politics that did not start with either Hillary or Obama's camp. As I have documented so many times that my fingers are worn to nubs, the right wing media started it, because the way that the Republican stay in power in this country is----altogether now--- Divide and Conquer .

And now, we can add class into the mix along with race and gender politics. Oh joy! I hope everyone has followed my advice and read Angela Davis’s Women, Race and Class I’ve been recommending it for months.

In her book, Davis writes about the Grimke sisters, born in the South, they became outspoken abolitionists, feminists and early champions of rights for the working class. This speech which Angelina Grimke delivered in Philadelphia is quite revealing:

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/grimke.html

Men, brethren and fathers—mothers, daughters and sisters, what came ye out for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? Is it curiosity merely, or a deep sympathy with the perishing slave, that has brought this large audience together? Those voices without ought to awaken and call out our warmest sympathies. Deluded beings! "they know not what they do." They know not that they are undermining their own rights and their own happiness, temporal and eternal. Do you ask, "what has the North to do with slavery?" Hear it—hear it. Those voices without tell us that the spirit of slavery is here, and has been roused to wrath by our abolition speeches and conventions: for surely liberty would not foam and tear herself with rage, because her friends are multiplied daily, and meetings are held in quick succession to set forth her virtues and extend her peaceful kingdom. This opposition shows that slavery has done its deadliest work in the hearts of our citizens. Do you ask, then, "what has the North to do?" I answer, cast out first the spirit of slavery from your own hearts, and then lend your aid to convert the South. Each one present has a work to do, be his or her situation what it may, however limited their means, or insignificant their supposed influence. The great men of this country will not do this work; the church will never do it. A desire to please the world, to keep the favor of all parties and of all conditions, makes them dumb on this and every other unpopular subject. They have become worldly-wise, and therefore God, in his wisdom, employs them not to carry on his plans of reformation and salvation. He hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and the weak to overcome the mighty.


This is the message of hope, or populism. It does not meet behind closed doors on the other side of the country and ask for money to save oppressed people from themselves. It speaks openly, it tells people the truth directly, and then it calls upon those same people to act to better themselves.

From a public health standpoint, this is the only way one can effect meaningful lasting social change. When a government agency comes in, identifies a problem, throws some money at it and leaves, the local people do not feel that they have invested anything of themselves in the solution. They do not really believe that the problem or the solution matter. They are not part of their world—especially if the one throwing around the money or the pills or the regulations is perceived of as coming from a distant, hostile agency. The way to facilitate change is to get locals involved in every step of the process, as FDR did. Explain the problem directly to them in simple non condescending but not inflammatory or fear mongering tones. Discusses the strengths of the community as well as its weaknesses That way you win friends and can create solutions. Devise a strategy for working on the problem that uses local resources, so that the people on the ground feel that they are not just the problem, they are also the solution. And always, always keep lines of communication open to build up trust.

We often hear the question asked , What shall we do?" Here is an opportunity for doing something now. Every man and every woman present may do something by showing that we fear not a mob, and, in the midst of threatenings and revilings, by opening our mouths for the dumb and pleading the cause of those who are ready to perish.




How does one help the poor? Liberation theologist Leonardo Boff discusses this in St. Francis: A Model for Human Liberation . Rejecting traditional Catholic methods of tossing money at the problem and enforcing Church rules to save souls, Boff uses the Saint’s life to suggest that poverty---or more accurately society’s acceptance of wealth disparity---dehumanizes both the poor person by making him seem subhuman or not worthy of basic rights and dignity and the person of means by forcing him to deny his natural instinct for compassion (because if he feels true compassion for the poor then he must, necessarily, become like St. Francis and cast aside his own privilege).

What do the poor want? They do not really want to hate or become robbers or steal. They want to be acknowledged as human beings.

“To live humanly means to feel the warmth of someone who says to us, in spite of our physical and moral misery: It is good that you exist, Brother. You are welcome. The sun is also yours, the air is everybody’s, and love can unite our hearts.”





An article which appeared in the New York Times one year after Bill Clinton’s poverty tour had as its premise the fact that little had changed. Legislation had never made it through the Republican controlled Congress. Poor people were still poor. However, the interviews are revealing:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E5DD123AF935A1575AC0A9669C8B63

A lot of people say the same thing. Hardly anyone blames the president, though. In Clarksdale, people pay as little attention to Washington politics as Washington politics pays to them. No one faults any of the presidential candidates for not coming around; they are used to being ignored.
They tend to blame Wal-Mart for their problems, for stealing business from downtown. Or Memphis, 75 miles away, for stealing brain power. Or the local politicians, for letting downtown slip into a coma without a fight.
They blame themselves, too.
''People got to want to improve,'' said Ethel Mae Clark, sitting on her mother's porch on downtown Yazoo Street. Next door was a boarded shack of a house. Across the street, where houses used to be, was a lot overrun with weeds.
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President Clinton, with an entourage that included the Rev. Jesse Jackson and several cabinet members, promised that East St. Louis would not be forgotten. But while his brief visit has yielded little concrete change, residents overwhelmingly vote Democratic, all the time. Few people have anything but praise for the president's gestures toward their city.
''The visit shed a lot of light on the things that we have to offer,'' said Greg Lewis, one of a dozen members of the local Democratic club who was spending his Sunday afternoon renovating a building the club recently bought for its headquarters. ''A lot of it,'' Mr. Lewis added, to a chorus of yeahs, ''depends on us.''

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There is a lot of that kind of talk in Eastern Kentucky. People are weary of the image of Appalachian hillbillies in miners' hats and rope belts. Time and again they said it would be wrong to take pictures or interview the rural poor without including the rest of the people. Some were insulted that the president's visit was part of a ''poverty tour.''
As poor as the region is -- nearly 35 percent of the people in Jackson County, which includes Annville, live below the poverty line, as do 30 percent of those in Perry County, where the president addressed a rally in Hazard -- the emphasis is on telling the world that encouraging private investment is the way to go.
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''I'm a Republican, and I really think he did us a great honor,'' said Mr. Gorman, who traces his family's roots in the region to the Revolutionary War. ''The greatest problem I've seen with people is the lack of hope. You give them hope and they'll conquer the world.''




You give people hope by talking to them directly, as St. Francis did and as Leonardo Boff recommends. When you put a human face on misery, "they" becomes our kin. The beauty of The Grapes of Wrath and the novels of Charles Dickens and of the photos taken by Dorothea Lange and Walker Evans was that they showed the human face behind the statistics and forced us to acknowledge that "the poor" are us.

Hope has been Obama's great political strength. It goes without saying that his political rivals will attempt to deprive him of this, just as Obama and McCain and the press attempted to deprive Hillary of her strength as a truth teller by spinning the Tuzla episode out for weeks. If Obama survives this political slip of the tongue unscathed, it will be because most members of the TV punditry know nothing about the poor in America (unlike the journalists of yesterday who actually interviewed real live people for stories). "They" are not a valued advertising demographic.

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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:46 PM
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1. It's too bad you put all that work into a post discussing a controversy that Obama just ended:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:54 PM
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10. Bitter Buster
them fighting words!

thanks for link.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:13 AM
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26. that worn out woman with her hand on her face, that icon of the dust
bowl ended up well. she lives in a nice little house in California. Some things, they need to be told. Thank you and enjoy knowing that one of those lost people made it out just fine.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:24 AM
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29. Thanks! It's good to know.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:11 PM
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39. Your posting of a youtube link
as a response to that GREAT and careful post says it all.

I wonder whether you actually read or were able to follow it.
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PragmatismRules Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:52 PM
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46. You WISH
Obama has self-destructed! He's HISTORY!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:17 AM
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55. In your opinion................... n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:47 PM
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2. Thanks, but...
...what is this about?
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:50 PM
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4. Lot's of work, but why.
I am a middle class (upper my wife and I am both teachers) who is very bitter about the last 8 years of Republican rule.

What middle class person, wouldn't be.

Duh!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:51 PM
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6. And the Keith Olbermann part is ... what?
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PragmatismRules Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:54 PM
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48. It's too bad if you're bitter but you don't need Obama to tell you
or do you?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:11 PM
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51. Yes, but has your bitterness
forced you to go out and buy a gun, and do you find yourself clinging to it? Does your bitterness spill over and cause you to scapegoat people who are different from you? Has it caused you to be anti-free trade? (of all things)or are you now so bitter that you protest against immigrants? Perhaps for some reason you find yourself suddenly clinging to your church.
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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:50 PM
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5. What does that mean?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:51 PM
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7. That is a pronoun
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:48 PM
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3. kick
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:53 PM
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8. First time in postwar history average incomes went down in an expansion
I guess we should just chill.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:54 PM
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9. You are a little bit behind the times on this......
but you are good at history. Problem is that we are in the 21st century, and your long way to get to your point that Obama's words have finished him is simply incorrect. You are doing exactly what some, including Hillary, have done; underestimating Obama, and not realizing that he's got the truth on his side, and the truth is that many of the folks he talked about in reference to those who vote on wedge issues weren't gonna be voting for Hillary Clinton anyways. That's the funny part about this whole "dust up". She's still trying to get the White vote, but it is not that particular White vote. Them are registered Republicans. That's why this is silly....and getting even sillier. But don't believe for a moment that this will do any real harm to Obama, it will just make people want to hear what he has to say about things.....and then he will convert them. So I think that you've been hosed.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:57 PM
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11. Fantastic Post.
Wow.




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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:58 PM
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12. Wow. World's longest POS post ever! Congrats!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:07 PM
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14. LOL...
And it's illustrated!


:rofl:
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:09 PM
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16. In sepia.
Your secret shipment goes out in the a.m.!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:21 PM
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20. Awesome!
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:47 PM
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45. thank you for saying that. POS indeed. Pure crap.
(and I have a degree in history and yes I read that POS post)(it's still a POS post)
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:52 PM
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62. And you know that because?? How kind and astute of you. n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:01 PM
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64. I draw that conclusion
from your response to the OP.

Not astute at all. Blindingly obvious.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:28 PM
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65. Common courtesy. It's one thing here to strike out at another's opinion,
but you degrade yourself by making rude comments about me or anyone else.
I kept to the post.
You had to get personal.
You do not know me. You have no right to make those kind of remarks.
I intend to report you.
Again, posters are within bounds to take aim at my opinion, but when you try to hurt someone by denigrating their life and education, you've gone too far.
You really do not know me.
I think you owe me an apology.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:07 PM
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13. "Hope has been Obama's great political strength."

It still is. People who are angry, bitter and frustrated appear to like hope.

Your post is dizzying spin.

Use your time wisely: watch


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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:09 PM
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15. Just because you spent a lot of time creating this post doesn't mean it isn't a pile of crap. n/t
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:12 PM
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17. Why would anyone spend so much time assembling so many lies and deceitful statements?
You really need a hobby.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:18 PM
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18. Obama Drama
really, over the top drama is a good way to show how out of touch with reality you are


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:20 PM
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19. Nice work....K&R
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:27 PM
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21. An impressive effort went into your post
but it began from false premises, as is clear in your opening sentences. And peppered throughout.

The rest of your screed simply illustrates the old adage, "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."

Here's a presidential candidate looking "them" right in the eye and connecting with what "they" are going through. And telling "them" not that he will work for "them", but simply that he will work for them. Because they are not a "they". You've turned it on its head, and I don't buy what you're selling here at all.

You're smart. It baffles and sort of saddens me that you don't see what's right in front of you.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:31 AM
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30. Exactly. TOTAL misinterpretation of what Obama said ...
... though the OPer was at least kind enough to include Obama's statement making the point obvious. Just silly political spin for the Clinton devotee.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:35 PM
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22. Wow, awesome thread! Thanks for all your hard work on this!
K'd and R'd.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:38 PM
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23. Obama's strength is tapping into the mood of the electorate. He has stumbled on to something here.
Some people were angry and bitter and didn't even realize it.

But boy, we are about to hear from the "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" crowd really soon. In fact, we are already hearing from them.

Hope and anger or bitterness have some relation (or correlation). Hope encompasses the desire to change something that is not just, fair, or desirable. Why do you need hope, if things are going just dandy? It is those angry and bitter and downtrodden and neglected Americans, both rural and urban, who want and need change.

I am not happy with the direction of this country. By G-d, I *AM* BITTER that in the past 18 months, three plants have moved their manufacturing oversees, leaving over 6,000 union workers without a job and without health insurance. I'm glad this topic, this undercurrent of anger over the lack of responsiveness by our government to its people is out in the open. For those religious folk out there (atheists, skip to the next paragraph), what happened when Jesus walked through the temple and saw the desecration that was taking place? He didn't just say "be positive, things will turn around." He got mad. He got angry. He said this will NOT be tolerated in my Father's house!

We pay these people to represent us. When they don't, they deserve to feel our wrath. Why should we pretend that things will get better when after 20-25 years, NO ONE has done anything to correct this disastrous course we've embarked upon? Why should we be forced into resilience, bearing the brunt of an illegal invasion and economic ruin when the extremely wealthy bear no consequence and are, in fact, BAILED OUT BY OUR GOVERNMENT (read: US)?

Before you formulate solutions, you've got to assess the problem. And that's what Obama was doing. He was articulating the problem and his rationale for his own plan as President. That's exactly what I want. A President who doesn't lie to me, who levels with me as an ADULT. Someone who doesn't tell me everything is OK, the economy is strong, we are winning the war in Iraq, don't worry about the national deficit... go out and spend.

I want a President who speaks the truth. The question is, who can handle the truth? Apparently some can't.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:53 PM
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25. If someone could precipitate mai 1968 here, do you think the elite would let them?
Would GE, Exxon, Citibank allow any political figure to mess with their "good thing"?

John Edwards was targeted for removal from the Democratic Primary in January 2007. Eventually the US Chamber of Commerce put a $60million bounty on his head. His crime---he was too populist. He denounced the system that kept the poor down.

Tell me again how Obama is going to speak the truth and encourage the complacent masses to revolt and I will tell you about a MSM that will slap another Democratic candidate down so quickly he will not know what hits him.

That is the problem with both Obama and Hillary. There is no way to know which of these two corporate suck ups is only pretending to go along with the bosses in order to get into the White House. They could both be high minded. Neither could be high minded. We are going to have to take a chance. That is why every one is gnawing at their nails. They want to be sure to pick the real liberal and not the faux one.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:16 AM
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27. The Reagan Democrats backlash
After hearing of Senator Obama's recent statements in San Francisco at a private fund raiser I have to question his honesty and credibility about his faith which he considers the cornerstone and foundation that defines his values. Below is a snip of his statements.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

“They cling to guns or religion”. Obama has been trying to finesse his position on guns to appeal precisely to gun owners and thus we start to see that his repositioning is cynical to the core. No rural Pennsylvanian clings to religion more than Obama himself, who for 20 years sat silent in the pews, while a hate-spewing minister damned his country and most everyone else. The question is not why Pennsylvanians “cling to their religion”, but why do the Obamas still cling to the Trinity Church that seems far more extreme than anything I’ve seen in rural America.

“Antipathy to people who aren't like them”—as in the case of Rev. Wright’s views of Jews, whites, Italians, or Americans in general? In short, Obama accuses rural Pennsylvanians of a racism that they haven’t expressed while contextualizing the racism that his own Rev. Wright has.

Let me get this straight: Obama goes to the Bay Area to an affluent liberal enclave to give a condescending take on the supposed poor fools that he is currently trying to court. This is not just hypocritical, but abjectly stupid. All of Pennsylvania surely is asking today what is so hip and sophisticated about the Trinity Church and Rev. Wright?

So here we have the essential Obama, a walking paradox between the postmodern hip-Ivy-Leaguer who sneers at middle-class America’s supposed prejudices and parochialism, while at the same time courting an anti-Enlightenment, prejudicial demagogue like Jeremiah Wright. For free trade or anti-free trade? For 2nd-amendment rights or not? Post-religious or pious and fundamentalist? For public campaign financing or not? A uniter of various groups or someone who sees America in terms of “they”? Straight-talking or someone who evokes "context" to explain away the inexplicable?

Again, we will see more and more of these condescending statements of the Michelle Obama strain, more and more of Revs. Wright, Meeks, Lee and others peddlers of division like them, and more and more clues to a long hostility to Israel—in what will eventually become the most disastrous chapter in recent Democratic history.

References:
James H (April 13, 2008)
Victor D. H. (April 11, 2008)

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:32 AM
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37. Thanks. Another DU'er who gets it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:11 PM
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43. that is....unfortunately THE problem...with...
Obama and Hillary...:-(
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:28 AM
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33. "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore"
This was done 32 years ago... not a lot has changed. A lot of younger people may not have seen this very prescient movie.

First: The problem- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L3QVn4JyYA&feature=related


Second: The plea- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08&feature=related


Third: The fist of god- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AI8mC8XucY&feature=related


lastly: A fear of mine- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY
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Missouri Blue Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:59 PM
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24. I hope it's as awesome in ideas as it is with length. I'll pencil it in for tomorrow . . .

. . . and perhaps Tuesday as well.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:17 AM
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28. Long winded....and semi-interesting...but...
...day late...dollar short. Obama ended the Hillary faux controversy this evening. Sorry you missed it.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:53 AM
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32. It will be truly sad if Democrats are divided along class lines now as well as gender and race.
With "bitter" being the new buzzword for "I have a higher degree and a stable job and health insurance, therefore I can afford to embrace radical causes and agitate and even quit my job on a moment's notice and live off my 401K or the equity from my house or my relatives."

And single mothers working two jobs to support their children are told that if they try to find some meaning in their lives so that their kids will not see them give in to anger or despair, they are not being loyal Democrats.

I liked the hope message better. It was more humane.

Maybe when you do not need to hawk "bitterness" for political expediency, you can go back to actually doing some good.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.


I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.


Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:41 AM
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31.  Correction: Thompson wrote "Jimmy Carter and the Great Leap of Faith"

which is included in The Great Shark Hunt . I highly recommend it.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:45 AM
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34. K&R
As always... McCamy hits the nail on the proverbial head.

Thanks for talking about my grandparents.... and the years of the Great Depression. I can honestly tell you that... tho they suffered, they were not bitter. They were anything but bitter. My grandma often expressed her gratitude, in fact, for what she was able to accomplish in the post GDP years.

Neither she, nor I, ever owned a gun. Nor did we sink into complacency via "clinging to religion." She was from a family of Hungarian immigrants... who truly knew the meaning of "oppression."

I think the problem here is that, while B.O. may well have been addressing *some* of the "red state" sterotype quite efficiently.... he forgot that there are alot of open minded Democrats in those red states. Folks who are not necessarily bitter, but resilient and hopeful. Hopeful that he could lead us ...

It's disappointing to hear him blasting us as he hobnobs with wealthy west coasters. And to hear his followers/ supporters blame the messenger for the message.
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BryMan Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:07 AM
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35. New Hampshire racism...
I've been here about 6 months now (moved from Alabama) and I've heard more racist jokes, and terms than I have in the last 5 years in Alabama. So yes I'd say ppl here are a bit more racist. I guess it's the fact they aren't worried about anyone that is a minority hearing them say anything since the population is 97% white? I still find it very disturbing ppl here make racist jokes, and rant about ppl that don't even live anywhere near them, or they haven't seen.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:04 PM
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38. Dude, San Francisco is full of racism, too. Those boardrooms are crowded with it. Those CEOs
who makes their 6 and 7 digit salaries know racist, sexist filthy jokes that would make you turn green. It is just that in San Francisco the Republicans do not mingle with the Democratic street trash like us. In small towns, the Republicans make closer to average wages.

Oh, and in San Francisco, the Republicans make fun of the New Hampshire working class Republicans, too, because they know that they are dupes. I guess that makes them worse, since they are racist, sexist, classist assholes.
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BryMan Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:38 AM
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57. Thing is these aren't Pugs
Infact I haven't encountered anyone here that would claim to be a Pug, so these are either independants or Democrats talking like that. Where I come from you just don't say shit like these ppl say not only because you might get overheard, but because the listener that isn't black would get offended as well.

The South isn't the one ppl think of from TV anymore folks, and the North has jumped past the South with this kind of behavior, in a big way.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:48 AM
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36. Wow, that's the longest, most self-indulgent post I've ever seen on DU.
Too long for me to do more than skim. So much effort, so little impact. Simplify, simplify!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:13 PM
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40. That's some post
thank-you.

(I am very disappointed by the commentary that some have chosen to make.)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:14 PM
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41. K&R
good post
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:10 PM
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42. K&R...you spent enormous time on this....n/t
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:23 PM
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44. ''The greatest problem I've seen with people is the lack of hope.
You give them hope and they'll conquer the world.''

K & R, another great deconstruction of language and attitudes that impact us all.

:applause: :toast: :kick:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:53 PM
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47. One last word on why the "comment" bothers me. It blames the poor.
If you think about it clearly what Obama said was The poor in America are poor and will stay that way because they are morally and intellectually broken . Violence, superstition and xenophobia are their reactions to their poverty. This is true for some but not for all and not for the majority of Democratic voters.

Now, if challenged on that directly, rich Democrats would deny that they think that way. But they do. Many of of them think that if you are born a healthy, White man in this country there is no reason that you can not become a doctor or a lawyer and make a ton of money.

This is not true. Childhood abuse and neglect and the soul numbing effect of growing up in poverty affect everyone. Lack of birth control and sex educations dooms everyone to early parenthood and the economic hardships that entails. Poor schools make everyone uneducated. White people can be just as oppressed by the corporate system as Black people.

Corporations have a vested interest in keeping a certain portion of the working class unemployed and another portion employed in low wage jobs.

Obama describes himself as deprived in his childhood, but no one is deprived who comes from a family that is willing to scrimp and save to send their child to private schools for the best possible education and no one is deprived when they grow up with parents who had higher educations themselves so that they can nurture and educate and push their child to excel and teach him to think highly of himself. That is what I call graduate school poverty. I lived with that as a child, when my mother was in graduate school. There is no shame in graduate school poverty. No hopelessness, no despair. Graduate students are proud that they are getting a degree. Education--particularly advanced degrees--are what separate the people in small, dead end towns from the people at the Huffington Post. I have two advanced degrees and a double major with my bachelor. I am never going to live in the world that the people of small town Pennsylvania inhabit. And though I have lived without money many times in my life, I have always known that if I really wanted to get my hands on some, I could. That is the poverty of people with education in this society.

I do not think that either Hillary or Obama understands what that is like. I think that John Edwards did.

If Obama really understood poverty he would not have added education at the end last night. He would have talked about pre K at the very beginning. Getting kids into school as soon as possible to equalize things. And health care needs to be in there. And environmental justice because how can you get out of poverty if your child was born preterm because of toxins and now he is "slow" or he has lead poisoning and you had no doctor? And why stop at reversing the tax cuts for the rich? We need to tax the rich more than we do now. Just cutting middle class taxes is not going to help. The people in need do not pay income tax. They get bled dry with sales and other taxes. And what about food prices? So much he should have addressed.

Why do neither Hillary nor Obama stand up and say what everyone knows, that the oil companies and the artificially high price of oil are killing this country---every sector of the economy--- and we need to punish these robber barons? That would get them a ton of votes.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:01 PM
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49. Yes, we're all just fine and dandy now.
Nothing to see here, we're just loaded with optimism over the idea of wasting another election on traditional policies and traditional candidates.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:05 PM
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50. Excellent presentation. Points off for it being a red herring in your quest to mislead.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 11:10 PM by AtomicKitten
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:19 PM
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53. are you going to give bonuses for contradictions especially in his closing line
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 11:53 PM by grantcart
Citizen the journalists of yesterday who actually interviewed real live people for stories". He has a high standard for journalists

that somehow does not apply to 'the “citizen journalist” Mayhill Fowler' who interviews no one and breaks the journalistic code for

recording off the record remarks? I think that you should give him extra difficulty points for working in the Islamic slur against

Obama with his allegation of persecution against the now hapless Fowler who has in his eyes now been promoted to reporter even

though she has never even claimed to be a reporter and obviously doesn't follow any of the conventions of reporting including the

OP's requirement that journalists 'interview real live people' as opposed to secretly taping off the record discussions in a private

setting.


"his supporters have declared a secular fatwa on the reporter who reported Obama’s words"


At leastt he has stopped citing himself as a reference.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:15 PM
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52. Nice work McCamy
K&R

The whole topic of bitterness came up when someone asked Barack why some people weren't supporting him. He chose to frame it as their problem, not his.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:42 AM
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54. Bitter surge
:D


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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:19 AM
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56. Thanks for the great post!!!!!!!!
You sure put a lot of work into it!!!!!!!!!!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:53 AM
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58. Good job....
K&R
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:43 PM
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60. Gads, McCamy.. the more desperate you get the longer the posts. I don't bother
reading these anymore, but the pics are good.

Just because its long, doesn't mean its correct. Sheesh.
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Missouri Blue Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:43 PM
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61. A great disappointment.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 12:47 PM by Missouri Blue
"Obama is wrong if he thinks that the first thing on the minds of the economically oppressed is anger and bitterness. If they were charged with anger, they would have marched on Washington already. If the people of the United States felt empowered, our 1968 would have been Mai 1968 in France---bigger, more violent, and it would have actually accomplished something besides just a backlash."

Here is where you're wrong: that was the behavior of people before Cable, Satellite, Nintendo, XBox, and PC Games. Let's not forget the IPod. Add to that Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Klonopin, Xanax etc. Then there's the available illegal drugs to lose your bitterness in. I can't fail to mention porn on the internet as another distraction. Meanwhile, if you opt out of all of those, you could always buy a few guns and shoot up things at work and school. (Any of that happening?)

If you're of a softer bitterness, why you could always write it on the DU, or whatever site is more your flavor. So, mentally, bitterness is altered or distracted. You could argue that the poor don't have those, but the fact is, a very great number of the poor have access to enough of those.

Meanwhile, the poor have been confused in their interests. Unlike the depression, many of them vote Republican due to social issues like abortion. Many others have believed the free-enterprise and small government rhetoric of talk radio.

So, you can't compare expressions of bitterness today to any expression of it you saw in the 1930s, or even the 1960s. It's when the poor no longer have access to any of these that you will see an angry march on Washington. (Perhaps if they lose their homes, and if food prices go sky-high, maybe?) And if you don't think there's a lot of despair or bitterness, just remove Secret Service and other security protection from any of these candidates and announce it.

Obama did work as a community organizer, and that's far more qualified than either the Clintons or McCain.
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63. Good post. Thank you.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:46 PM
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66. Thanks, McCamy. Excellent journalism, as always.
Too bad you're talking to a brick wall of bitterness on DU. :D
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