OMFG! Hillary Clinton dissed San Francisco with her CNN retort about Obama's comment

[zulchzulu]

I don't have the video yet, but when asked about Obama' statement, she went out of her way to suggest that Obama was "elitist" because he was "in San Francisco" when he made the comment.

It appears she is playing RIGHT INTO the Repug perception that San Francisco = Ultra Liberal Snob.

I lived in SF for 10 years and that perception is actually pretty off from what goes on in San Francisco. There are a fair number of conservatives there, believe it or not. It was always hilarious to say you live in SF to somebody who was a Bushbot or worse.

Hillary is using Bill O'Lielly's lexicon on the perception of San Francisco.

ON EDIT:

From the transcript:

"Someone goes to a closed-door fund-raiser in San Francisco and makes comments that do seem elitist, out of touch and, frankly, patronizing. That has nothing to do with him being a good man or a man of faith."

The Inner Goldwater Girl shines through again.

:crazy:

Transcript:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/faithforum/index.html?ex=1365825600&en=317661aedb7abb4d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[tishaLA]

1. And, in saying that, she enters the echo chamber with

Bill Orally. He's the one who yammered endlessly about "San Francisco values" on 2004.

[MattP]

2. Time for CA delegates to jump

Why would a delegate from Ca stay with Hillary when she doesn't want Ca snobs to support her?

[AlinPA]

5. Good point. That had to turn off some SD's in Northern CA at least.

[cliffordu]

22. Woop! There it is!!

Kiss them shweet Cali superdelegates goodbye, shweety!!!



:rofl:

[my3boyz]

57. Betcha that comment got Nancy Pelosi on her side...Not! lol nt

[Stephanie]

3. HRC: Fuck San Francisco, they don't vote for me anyway.

[Barack_America]

4. The Clinton campaign playbook is just Karl Rove's with a different dust jacket.

She's clearly forgotten she's a Democrat.

She's going after the Republican base more aggressively than McCain.

[AZBlue]

18. I think she's now surpassed Rove.

He's taking notes from her.

[Barack_America]

24. "How to fuck over your entire party for your own personal benefit"

That's certainly a new chapter, at least.

[Cha]

39. "How to fuck over the Democratic Party" and

Screw yourself in the Process" ..is more like it.

[krawhitham]

88. NO, Rove won

[Cali_Democrat]

6. YES SHE DID!!

That really pissed me off.

:grr:

[Cali_Democrat]

7. The only reason why Hillary won California initially was because of name recognition

The polls in California right now have Obama doing better against McCain than Hillary.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/03/27/ppi_poll_obama_stronger_in_california_against_mccain.html

[my3boyz]

59. That and early voting! nt

[knixphan]

74. totally.

[donheld]

64. That's could be an argument against early primaries.

I think a lot, and I do mean a lot, of early voters have voters remorse over Hillary.

[pompano]

83. Too funny....

that struck a funny bone nerve. When reading your post I thought back to the old New Orleans Saints when they played in Tulane Stadium and their fans, get this, wore bags over their faces.

I kid you not, they did.

They have always been my favorite team and my favoritest fans.

The thought of people going to the polls with bags over their faces just made me LOL. :rofl:

I'm sorry, ya'll get back to your discussion. I have got iced tea all over my keyboard to clean off.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. I don't know why the media and others are focusing so much on the "bitter" part. ...

The real offense and long term damage is "...and they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The implication is that small town America is primarily populated by ignorant bigots.

[40ozDonkey]

13. I don't know, why didn't the HRC fundraiser print stickers saying "I'm not clingy"?

Hillary's campaign pushed the bitter meme, the media just re-bleated it. Ask Maggie Williams why they focused there if you're really curious.

[graycem]

62. No, the implication is

that Republicans take advantage of people, who having giving up believing either party would fix the economic mess, use issues like gun control, abortion, and God, to pander to these people. They go to evangelicals and get their pastors to subtly suggest to it's congregation, vote Roe V. Wade, or they tell them how the devil democrats want to take God out of school and the country. They appeal to emotional things that way they're distracted enough when time to pass out hunks of money to their rich friends shows up on the agenda in Congress.

And deny it if you will, they vote on those things because they think that those issues might be addressed long before their economic problems will be. All he did was call them out on it, and you know what, people are desperate right now. The economy is getting worse by the day, and for that reason, they ARE seeing through the usual political garbage. This year they will vote economic interest because their backs are against the wall.

Funny thing is, President Clinton ran on this same thing, and he was right, just as Barack is now. Was he equally offensive?? He acknowledged the wedge issues. And you can sit here all day long and declare people offended, but they're not. If anything, they're in shock a politician is finally telling the truth. That's why this won't work.. He already warned them on the game John McCain plans to play, and people are saying, "Not this time!"

People are hanging on the edge of a cliff in this country and they're not going to be hoodwinked this time. Because unlike you, Barack and I know, that people are SMART enough to take a look at what's been going on for the last 20 - 30 years... you seem to imply that they are stupid enough to miss the point of his comments, but instead will have the same knee-jerk reaction that you seem to be having. Are you calling those rural voters stupid?? How elitist and condescending!

[PerfectSage]

85. The implication and real offense of your post is that your suffering from long term brain damage...

...or your contextually challenged and couldn't think your way out of Karl Rove "Wedge Issue" paper bag.

Try "clinging" to sucking on Hillary's toe.
:rofl:

[PM7nj]

9. Nancy Pelosi must be pissed...

I wouldn't be surprised if she endorses Obama now.

[AZ Criminal JD]

82. You mean Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi?

[NJmaverick]

10. What do you expect from a DINO?

[zulchzulu]

11. Transcript available

It doesn't even show her attitude when she made the statement:

Someone goes to a closed-door fund-raiser in San Francisco and makes comments that do seem elitist, out of touch and, frankly, patronizing. That has nothing to do with him being a good man or a man of faith.

We had two very good men and men of faith run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life.

And I think that is an issue for voters, as I’ve heard today from people I visited in Scranton and elsewhere. So this is a legitimate political issue. And there are some issues that are not. But this one is.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/faithforum/index.html?ex=1365825600&en=317661aedb7abb4d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[zulchzulu]

12. I just figured out something about the "bitter" thing

It's OBVIOUS that Hillary Clinton is BITTER that she lost the nomination and she's got nothing left to do but act BITTER.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. "I think ..."

Bad news if that's the case. :eyes:

[zulchzulu]

16. Thanks...

I changed it to the more appropriate OMFG...

:hi:

[BeyondGeography]

15. She gets three-and-a-half McClurkins for that one

(that's out of four.)

[zulchzulu]

17. BREAKING! Hillary also LIED about her role in Romania as First Lady

I just watched the re-run and saw her mention her role in Romania where she said she went there and talked with Romanian children who were being sexually abused. She says she was visiting the orphanages.

Well...it turns out she is LYING AGAIN! Here's an assessment:

The visit took place in the summer of 1996, but Hillary Clinton wasn’t visiting the orphanages, but instead went to an under funded HIV/AIDS center, a US funded classroom, and met with government leaders.

While I don’t know about pregnant mothers being followed by secret police (the logistics of that would be simply unbelievable, even for a socialist state). But abortions were illegal. Although the situation has since stabilized considerably, in 1996, mothers simply abandoned their children and the orphanages were in shambles. Hillary Clinton was asked to bring attention to the plight of the abandoned Romanian children by visiting the completely unfunded orphanages.

She didn’t.

It was an election year for her husband and she wanted to highlight “how great the Clinton foreign policy was for the people of Romania.”

Those Romanians who were abandoned by their parents as children, forgotten by their government, and ignored by Hillary Clinton have a slightly different recollection of 1996.

http://ktracy.com/?p=1182
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B00E6D71339F931A35754C0A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

I'll post something on this when there is a transcript and/or video.

[ClassWarrior]

19. More reinforcing of RW frames from Tonya. ~sigh~

NGU.

[Pamela Troy]

20. How does this qualify as "dissing" San Francisco?

Where's the "diss?"

From an Obama supporter.

[zulchzulu]

21. The transcript doesn't do justice that the video does

I haven't found the clip yet...but it is VERY APPARENT that she mentioned "San Francisco" with a snide, Repug style of messaging that implied that somehow San Francisco is part of the issue.

She has mentioned it before and she used the usual San Francisco analogy like Bill O'LIElly or any other knuckle-dragging Repug. Why else would she mention San Francisco?

[TahitiNut]

50. As she pronounced it "San Francisco-o" she lowered her chin and raised her brow ...

... like a stiff-corseted librarian disapproving of a book selection, peering over her bifocals. The body language was clear ... the dog whistle was shrill.

[Whisp]

93. it may also be code for 'gay' - SF.

she may be trying to appeal to what she thinks is the lunch bucket bigot.

yes, she would do that. she's that ugly.

[Romulox]

23. This is an attempt (unsuccessful, imo) to draw some sort of equivalency with the "bitter" gaffe.

[Pamela Troy]

26. I don't see how either statement is a gaffe.

You folks do love drama, don't you?

[zulchzulu]

31. Having lived in SF and knowing how the Repugs would use SF as a prop...

...it can't be more apparent.

Do you remember Repugs calling Nancy Pelosi a "San Francisco Liberal"? Do you think they would have said she's an "Oakland Liberal" or a "San Mateo Liberal"?

Pay attention.

[Romulox]

34. And living in Metro Detroit, and hearing how "progressives" speak about working people

in "flyover country", likewise, I'm sure! :rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

42. If you have a problem with Progressives, perhaps you should take your stereotypes...

...of us elsewhere.

NGU.

[Romulox]

46. Is it "progressive" to squash dissent? LOLOL

[ClassWarrior]

47. Huh?

:crazy:

NGU.

[Romulox]

48. Never mind. Enjoy your stay.

:silly: :hi:

[ClassWarrior]

53. You too, if you can, considering how condescending...

...you appear to feel toward Progressives.

:patriot:

NGU.

[Romulox]

58. I think you have a chip on your shoulder, or are looking to take offense. I spoke of "progressives"

Like it or not, there are a lot of phoney "progressives" who have glommed on to the Obama campaign. Criticizing these so-called centrists in wolves clothing (e.g. Obama's DLC Economic Advisor,) is perfectly legitimate.

[ClassWarrior]

61. Thank you for your concern.

It's those "phoney" Progressives we need to worry about fellow DUers!!

:rofl:

NGU.

[Pamela Troy]

55. I have lived here in SF for over twenty years.

Sorry, but I don't see why all the fuss is being made about this. I just don't see where the insult is supposed to be.

[EFerrari]

79. Because there was no reason for her to name the venue

unless she was trying to get mileage out of it.

Because "San Francisco" is RW code for hating gay folks and for putting down progressives in general.

Do you seriously not get it? And you've live here for twenty years? That's remarkable.

[Romulox]

32. "You folks"???

:wtf:

[Pamela Troy]

56. The folks here looking very, very hard for reasons to hate Hillary.

[EFerrari]

81. How myopic do you have to be not to be offended by Clinton?

[Pamela Troy]

27. I don't see how either statement is a gaffe.

You folks do love drama, don't you?

[smiley_glad_hands]

52. Only freeps are still describing it as a gaffe. eom

[EFerrari]

25. The Clintons helped foist our corporate mayor on us -- the guy whose

solution to homelessness is to roust poor people and then tell the Chronicle they don't exist. All these actual elitist @ssholes are exactly the same.

[KittyWampus]

29. but I thought the mayor was some kind of hero for gay people.

[EFerrari]

35. He did well on that and what has he done lately?

He's good while the film is rolling and I'm sorry if I offend anyone by just saying it out loud.

He's horrible on poverty and affordable housing. His backers are real estate developers.

[TLM]

28. Yeah why doesn't Obama just send his husband to speak for Columbian trade interests

and get 800,000 for your campaign, like Hillary did?

He can just laugh it off later?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA

[Lucky 13]

30. I don't see your point. California already had their primary.

We can insult them as much as we like. What are they gonna do about it. Rubes!

:sarcasm:

[Eric J in MN]

33. Are there "closed-door" fundraisers and "open-door" fundraisers?

If so, what's the difference?

[AZ Criminal JD]

84. Obama didn't realize he was being taped.

There were no reporters there so he thought he could get away with telling his rich patrons what he really thought and what they wanted to hear. Guess he is not as smart as he thinks he is.

[2rth2pwr]

36. You think SF would ever vote Repug in the general?

Put down the crack pipe.

[zulchzulu]

40. That's not the point

She is using the Repug lexicon to associate San Francisco as a cuddly venue for elitists to make fun of working class people. It's using a Repug stereotype coming from the piehole of a so-called Democrat.

I've NEVER seen or heard any Democrat trash San Francisco as something to tag on as elitist before.

If you don't get what I'm talking about, I understand why. You're a Hillary supporter...this shit is over your head.

[2rth2pwr]

45. Here is the cuddly venue for elitists that Obama was at when he dissed small town people

Billionaire's Row

You and your buddy's might think this is just like any place in the rural areas of PA,

but the real people of this country know what's up.




Some of the neighbors-
Norman Stone, heir to insurance tycoon W. Clement Stone, 27xx Broadway.
Peter Haus, Levi Strauss heir, 28xx Broadway. In 1996, Haas' Levi holdings were valued in a news report at $2.2 billion.
Peter Sperling, U. of Phoenix heir, 28xx Broadway. In 2003 he had about $1.5 billion.
Larry Ellison, Oracle founder, 28xx Broadway. In 2003 Forbes set his worth at $18 billion.
Gordon Getty, Getty Oil heir, 28xx Broadway. In 2003 Forbes Magazine estimated his fortune at $2.1 billion.
George Jewett, Weyerhaeuser heir, 29xx Broadway.


The View--

[ClassWarrior]

41. Ahhh, the abusive husband syndrome.

"We can beat the shit out of 'em all we want. They'll never dare to leave."

NGU.

[TahitiNut]

51. The liberal 2/3rds of the Democratic Party has been beaten up like that for decades.

When the conservative "Democrats" threaten to vote GOP (the "protection racket" of the DLC), they each present TWICE the vote difference as the left. Thus, they're the shit on the tail wagging the dog.

Of course, when Nader described this "game" the DLCers and rabid partisans screamed like stuck pigs. Go figure. :shrug:

[ClassWarrior]

54. How true. That's why I thank the Deity for groups like PDA.

We need to take this damn party back, TN!!

NGU.

[anonymous171]

37. Way to stereotype the voters of San Francisco

[Cha]

38. So little hilary Oakley clinton

asswipe says Obama doesn't act like a man of faith or a good man! DAmn! What a JerkOff.

I wondered why Obama was addressing that in his video..no wonder he was roarin'.

[tabasco]

43. Just think of a hate radio puke sneering "San Francisco liberal!"

Hillary is a republican.

This truly is a battle for the soul of the party.

[Zachstar]

44. Clinton is a fool.

I wonder if she will even win PA at this point.

[milkyway]

49. The Queen of California--the state she treats as her personal ATM--never mentioned duck hunting

when she was hitting up Hollywood or San Francisco for money.

[EFerrari]

60. I just saw the video.

Can you BELIEVE that?

She comes here to rake in money and then turns around to do something like that?

The only snobs in San Francisco ARE HER FRIENDS.

The rest of us are working stiffs who are trying to deal with a deficit, with poverty, with disappearing jobs, with the highest gas prices in the whole damn country. Afraid to go to the grocery store and social services disappearing as fast as our benefits.

Who is this person?

:nuke:

[kwenu]

63. NO! It was MUCH WORSE! Hillary implied to CNN that the Democratic Party has a problem with elitism.

She branded all of us. How republican of her!

[Blue_State_Elitist]

65. OMFG THAT MEANS SF WILL GO REPUBLICAN IF SHE IS THE NOMINEE!!!!

[Imagevision]

66. HRC thinks we want this sort of Bitch in the white House, I already got one in my White House...

[Beacool]

67. She's absolutely right!!!

Obama went to raise money from a group of billionaires and thought that his comments would not get out to the public at large. Too bad for him that everyone now knows what he said, and it's not playing well in PA. I just got back and people were not amused, to put it mildly.

:eyes:

[stratomagi]

68. You mean theres false outrage in the Clinton camp?

I'm shocked I tell you! :sarcasm:

[Beacool]

69. No, there's anger by the regular folks that came up to us

and mentioned it repeatedly over the weekend. You Obama fans think that the guy walks on water. Well, that's not how middle America sees him.

[EFerrari]

72. Spoken like a partisan and not like someone who is in touch

in any way, either with real people or with the reportage.

[knixphan]

76. walking on water

and telling the truth

are two separate miracles.

Obama gets credit for the latter.

[EFerrari]

70. We have a transcript. We know what he said.

That's why this stunt is going to tank Hillary. :hi:

[grantcart]

71. This just in California Democrats agree to revote primary

wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall and see the Clinton's faces when they saw that crawl on the bottom of CNN!!

[EFerrari]

73. San Francisco County went for Obama.

Because we are latte drinking, volvo driving, birkenstocked, liberal elite non-morans. :)

[thewiseguy]

75. and to hell with you guys since you do not count. :)

[EFerrari]

77. I guess not!

lol

[PurityOfEssence]

78. Bummer. I guess it'll go red now.

Who'da thunk?

[EFerrari]

80. San Francisco nearly elected a Green mayor time before last

before the Clintons and Gore came out here and stumped for Newsom.

Pelosi hasn't had a townhall in two years and is shunning the left. Now, this.

[Raine]

86. Sacrificing one place for another

yeah that's really fair and completely the opposite of elitist. :sarcasm: :mad:

[EFerrari]

87. The only elitists here are her rich friends n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

89. So, does this mean that San Francisco is going to vote for John McCain?

I think she was talking about the loads of money a person needs to live in San Francisco. Most parts of that island are pretty lush.

[zulchzulu]

90. Dissing San Francisco is now part of her yak quack

Seriously, this person is NOT a Democrat.

[zulchzulu]

91. Media Matters did a great analysis on the use of "San Francisco Liberal"

Hillary Clinton is playing right out of the Repig Playbook with her comments using San Francisco as a pejorative term:

... Media Matters conducted a survey* of media coverage of Pelosi for 90 days prior to the 2006 midterm elections and found that, contrary to Pinkerton's claim about the media's election coverage "spin," newspapers, broadcast networks, and cable news networks repeatedly characterized Pelosi as a "San Francisco liberal" or a purveyor or symbol of "San Francisco values" while rarely mentioning the fact that Pelosi was a grandmother or that she was raised in Baltimore. Fox News showed the greatest disparity, with 19 characterizations of Pelosi as a "San Francisco liberal" and only one mention that Pelosi was a grandmother. The Fox News program Hannity & Colmes accounted for 11 of the 19 Fox News characterizations.

Pre-election media coverage for the period August 7 through November 7:







http://mediamatters.org/items/200611150008

[Bensthename]

92. The word on the street is Hillary is now on McCains short list for VP..