the 'elitism' term is what gets me. hillary earned $109M. mccain has 7 homes. the obamas just

[BklynChick]

paid off their student loans.

[Arrowhead2k1]

1. but but but but...

Hillary used to shoot small animals!

[Andy823]

36. She must have been

"Hunting" with Mitt back in the old days. Of course Mitt had to admit he never had a license, and never owned a gun, wonder how many "critters" Hillary has bagged? :rofl: :rofl:

[MercutioATC]

2. Not a direct correlation.

One can be very wealthy and not be elitist.

One can be poor and be elitist (convinced of one's superior intellect, education, etc.)


One's net worth has no direct bearing on whether they are elitist or not.

[maddiejoan]

4. This is true

I'm dirt poor --and I'm an incredible elitist.

just sayin'

[PBS Poll-435]

9. Do you talk a lot with your eyes closed?

[maddiejoan]

14. Only in my sleep

apparently I quote lines from Bugs Bunny cartoons. (True story!)

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16. Haha nt.

[Ian_rd]

39. So it's a recycle of the "Obama is arrogant" meme

I guess if it doesn't work the first time, break out the thesaurus.

[DJ13]

3. Long time Republican trick... accuse your opponent of what you're most vulnerable

I swear she's getting advice on the side from Rove.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

5. I think she has been sleeping with Rove,

because Bill quit doing that years ago.

:evilgrin:

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11. I don't think Bill ever

slept with Rove. I guess we can ask...

[ampad]

15. Exactly

It's all rovian. I really don't think this is the silver bullet she is looking for though. People are smarter than she thinks. There is were the real elitism comes from. You take words totally out of context and feed them to the peasants(basically lying) hoping that the small people will believe, why, because of who you are. That is what is elitist and what is called looking down on ordinary people but what she fails to realize is that she is not the smartest person in the room. Those that have lived the life for the last seven years and some under her husbands presidency know what is going on, they are not stupid people like she is banking on.

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6. LOL

Hillary hasn't earned 109 million. How many millions did the Obamas make in the last 8 years.

Student loan interest is a tit-for-tat "above the line" tax deduction.

McCain married a Pillbury.

[woolldog]

24. not if you earn over 70k a year it isn't. You get no deduction at all

for student loan interest.

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25. MFJ it is $140,000.

[woolldog]

31. It still wouldn't apply to the Obamas.

[PBS Poll-435]

32. It would during the leaner years....

On the streets as an organizer...

[woolldog]

33. that's when the deductions are least valuable.

The $2,500 deduction is worth a few hundred dollars if you're in the lower brackets.

I enjoy your posts, btw. :hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

34. Thanks...

That above-the-line deduction helps with credit, hope & lifetime learning, and retirement savings phase-outs.

You are right in that it wouldn't have a dollar-for-dollar benefit.

People sometimes delay paying off student loans because usually it is the cheapest debt they have.


And I enjoy your posts also. You seem fair.

[tritsofme]

7. For whatever reason I don't think the Obamas are in a cash crunch.

This line of argument is just disingenuous.

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12. Nope.

And when are they going to pay taxes of the FMV - purchase price spread on the Rezko lot?

[SwampG8r]

21. this rezko?

clinton donor and supporter?

[PBS Poll-435]

26. Yes! The very same one whose

Dirty money is attached to nearly every Illinois Democrat. Including Professor Obama.

[cali]

40. You mean like Hsu's, Gupta's, Rich's, Giustra's, Pauls and

others are attached to Sweet Hill and Dashing Bill? I'm always amused that Hill supporters think they can get away with this shit.

[Tim4319]

19. Maybe that is the case now!

He worked to get to where he is today. He had nothing handed to him. And once he made it, he gave back to the South side of Chicago communities he he grew up in. He was a Civil Rights Attorney! He performed pro bono services! He worked extremely hard to get to where he is today. So today, Obama is probably not short on cash.

[patrice]

8. Yeah, isn't it kind of elitist to tell folks that someone is elitist?

Isn't that pretty much the definition of "condescension"?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

10. Obama is a self-made man

Everything he has, he has because he has worked his ass off for it. When he could have worked in the private sector for a large income, he instead devoted his time to working on behalf of the poorest people in Chicago, those living in public housing projects.

Calling Obama elitist is like calling Bush honest.

[City Lights]

13. Clint Eastwood's next boxing moive: Hundred Million Dollar Baby, staring

Hill'ry Clinton.

She shouldn't let those acting lessons go to waste.

[ampad]

17. LOL

Hillary Swank was a fighter I cannot say the same for the "look the boys are picking on me" Hillary :rofl:

[City Lights]

20. She peddles herself as a fighter. Even compared herself to Rocky.

I take her at her word. She's a prize fighter. As far as I know. :rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

18. Getta out of here!

But, but, but....she did suggest that we should "roll up our sleeves"
..... guess like she did! :shrug:

[GoesTo11]

22. Elitism: Definition

From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elitist

"1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class."

Obama isn't a candidate this sounds like.

[HereSince1628]

41. And the DLC is a clique that DOES sound like that

It's curious that anyone as deep into that as the Clintons are would toss around the term elitism.

[GoesTo11]

23. Elitism: Another definition

"I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies"

[TragedyandHope]

27. Months ago, my father said

Hillary seems to be accusing Obama of everything she's doing herself.

- race card
- Rezko vs. Whitewater (and the rest of the Clinton dirty laundry)
- making speeches about speeches that are "just words" (hello, irony?)
- behind the scenes re-assurances to Canada on NAFTA
- elitist and out-of-touch

...and so on. It's just ridiculously transparent and so incredible that she imagines she's fooling anyone. The public is smarter than that.

[Straight Shooter]

28. The Clintons are also more than a decade older than Obama and Michelle.

They left the White House seriously in debt due to right wing witch hunts. They overcame that debt and never once whined about the burden of paying; they paid their debts and went on with their lives, as most of us do when faced with obstacles.

The time to make a comparison of income is when Obama/Michelle are roughly the same age as Bill/Hillary. Then, if their income is on a par with the Clintons, perhaps you may wish to withdraw your judgment that a high income goes hand-in-hand with elitism. It doesn't. Sometimes the poorest by pecuniary measure are the worst of snobs.

[rodeodance]

29. oh for christs sake --grow up. Elitism is about attitudes. Don't act so stupid!!

[PurityOfEssence]

30. I'm sure there are plenty of NASCAR drivers who are richer than James Lipton; what's your point?

I know plenty of academics and artists who are sneering elitists, and their net worth is zero or less, while I also know plenty of working stiffs and store owners with decidedly common tastes and interests.

[Radical Activist]

35. She grew up in a rich white suburb of Chicago and went to elitist eastern schools.

what bullshit

[NJmaverick]

37. We ALL have to get that message out there!

In other forums in conversations with friends and coworkers. We need to over come the right wing media

[Ian_rd]

38. I leave for three days and miss the birth of the newest nonsensical talking point.

Obama hates America.
Obama doesn't know how to answer a phone.
Obama is an empty suit.
Obama is arrogant.
And now, Obama is an elitist. What the hell does that even mean? "Elitist?" That's the exact crap I hear when I turn on right-wing radio.

And these are only the ones I remember from the Hillary campaign.