Why do you think small town folks go to church and like to hunt?

[jackson_dem]

What do you think?

[AllentownJake]

1. Come on Jackson

Your smarter than a dumb ass push poll like that. Right something insightful for us to spit on.

[jackson_dem]

5. It illustrates the absurdity of Obama's condescension

[AllentownJake]

6. Its stupid

You seriously have better material...eh we all have our bad nights.

[InfiniteNether]

19. Then you should vote for McCain. He won't condescend to you while he takes your job away.

[jackson_dem]

22. The choice is between Clinton and condescending Obama

[AllentownJake]

24. Oh PULEEZ

All politians are condescending...its part of the job description

[ginchinchili]

99. At least you admit Obama was being condescending.

[InfiniteNether]

33. Lol. You were going to vote for McCain anyway, because he's so manly and experienced.

[rodeodance]

68. what a stupid thing to say to a good Democrat!

[Voice for Peace]

77. LOL! Clinton is the most condescending candidate I've seen in a long time.

[ginchinchili]

100. I doubt that you could find a quote of her's that matches this latest Obama blunder.

What Obama said was worse than condescending; it was downright insulting.

[Voice for Peace]

101. LOL.. but to me, what was REALLY insulting was her response, and the way she spun it.

I thought it was insulting the intelligence of Americans who can think for themselves.
I guess we'll have to disagree.. I don't want to dig into her quotes.

[dionysus]

109. if you're not bitter about the way this country has been swirling down the toilet bowl,

then you are a moron...

[ginchinchili]

111. The "bitter" reference is not the problem. It's how Obama said people deal with it.

They cling to their religion and their guns and their fear of people different from themselves? How fucking arrogant and insulting. This man does not need to be our president.

[krispos42]

2. Because in small, rural towns...

There are lots of hunting opportunities and pressure to go to church, and a history of doing both.

But equating guns with hunting is misleading, I think. Only about 1 in six gun owners hunt, probably less.

[jackson_dem]

4. What about during good economic times, like the 90's?

What do millionaire Ivy League elitists in Chicago do for fun?

[barb162]

10. They dine with Oprah on her $700 place settings in her multi-million

buck condo on Michigan Avenue.

[krispos42]

25. Same thing, probably

Hunting and churchgoing is independent of the economy, unless you can't afford to buy deer tags.


As to the Chicago elites, they probably do something similar to what the Washington and New York elites do for fun.

I imagine fine dining, Broadway performances, opera, chamber music, and the high-powered cocktail party rank up there. Probably travel quite a bit, too.

[SOS]

89. "millionaire Ivy League elitists"

Does graduating from Seven Sisters Wellesley and sitting on $109 million qualify?
What do they do for fun in Manhattan and Georgetown?

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. My weapon conception system.. is the second amendment.. not for God

The Fourth Amendent is what prevents you
from finding anything in your mind
without Search and Seizure.




What fricking Red Neck Racist Poll

[dkf]

7. Who cares?

[jackson_dem]

12. People interested in winning the general and having a Dem majority in Congress care

[dkf]

16. No, all we care is about categorizing people into types of voters.

We don't examine WHY they are in those categories.

I mean you are asking why people are Christian? That is ridiculous.

[rodeodance]

71. well BHO sure dumped on one category of people!!

[roseBudd]

75. And HRC hurts down-ticket races, so your point is?

[gabeana]

8. You know your post is stupid

I want to know why you have as your moniker such a racist, genocidal murderer. I posted this to one of your earlier post but never got a response. Since I know you like to throw around the term Bigot with such ease how do you reconcile this

Andrew Jackson was a man who supervised the mutilation of 800 or so creek indians, Calling Indians savage dogs, having the bodies of men, women, and children mutilated-cutting off their noses to count and preserve a record of the dead. He had his troops slice long strips of flesh from their bodies to tan and turn into bridle reigns, source American Holocaust, Stannard pg 121

He also had his troops fry their potatoes in Indian Fat, Little Matter Of Genocide, Churchill pg 216

I did not even include Indian removal

So if one uses the logic you use against Obama with his relation with Wright then by the rules you play by , you are not only a bigot, supremacist but a supporter of Genocide of the American indigenous

and if Jackson was a part of this generations Democratic party I would have no part in it, but I guess you would embrace it

[jackson_dem]

11. Damn. Why does St. Obama himself view Jackson as a hero?

Are you saying Obama supports the bad things Jackson did? :wow:

-snip-

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party – the Democratic Party – has always been at its best when we’ve led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we’ve called all Americans to a common purpose – a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed – that all of us are created equal – that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We’re the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We’re the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we’re the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CmBV

[gabeana]

13. I'm talking about you

don't deflect, why do you support someone who loved killing people

[jackson_dem]

20. The same reason Barack Obama does

[gabeana]

32. Come on stop being a coward

answer why are you in love with a human rights criminal. Doesn't bode well for your character. And equating a line in a speech to your blatant love for Jackson is not the same and you know it.
or did you even know Jackson did these things and your Historical knowledge is limited to an encyclopedia

[jackson_dem]

37. Maybe Jackson was another bitter small town person?

[gabeana]

38. again you don't answer the question

because you got nothing, you can't even support your position, that's embarrasing

[jackson_dem]

42. What do you think of FDR?

[gabeana]

45. I'm not talking about FDR I'm talking about your love

for Jackson

[jackson_dem]

54. Almost everyone views FDR as the greatest Democratic president. Do you agree?

[gabeana]

59. Great is an empty word but without out a doubt

the most paradigm changing president since Lincoln, but again to you how do you reconcile Jackson evil and yes evil crimes against humanity

[jackson_dem]

61. Who was the most paradigm changing president before Lincoln?

The same way Barack Obama does. I judge historical figures by the times they live in. The Creeks did the same type of things to Jackson's folks (actually worse), even ripping open pregnant women. Killing them via bleeding wasn't enough. They had to kill them in the worst possible way by ripping their fetus from the womb and having them then spend their final moments bleeding to death seeing their fetus beside them. Oh, this kind of stuff is why then General Jackson was fighting them in the first place.

[gabeana]

62. whats your source on this

[jackson_dem]

64. Jackson's biography by the leading scholar of the Jacksonian Era

Robert Remini.

Jackson wasn't there for fun.

Why is there a "Jacksonian Era"? What did it entail? Of all the periods of American history only one is named after a person. Why? Maybe Jackson brought change and was a transformative president (what Obama claims he will be)?

[gabeana]

69. I was hoping that was not your source

oh my god talk about a wilsonian historian, and if you don't know what that means you need to read that Noble dream a book on historiography,

This is not even an objective attempt at history Remini sugar coats Jackson violation of the Constitution. My god man broaden your reading beyond the corporate historian, thats embarrassing
and it is unnerving for you to site information coming from Jackson troops. Remember in Western War the aggressor is always a victim in their mind. To suggest that the Indians deserved it, The information I gave you came from Jackson troops themselves as they said this with pride. Are you sure you don't like bush, by citing Remini is like using Bush's excuse for the death of Iraqi's, we don't want to kill the Iraqis but it is their fault for being Iraqi, Isn't remini the guy that U.S. congress appointed as Historian under a republican congress a few years ago?

[jackson_dem]

95. There are other sources

Things back then were not as cut and dry as historical revisionists make them out to be. Remini puts Jackson into context, pointing out the bad things his troops did as well, and lets readers decide, although he does explain Jackson's rationale for his policy as president.

Iraqis weren't raiding and killing American villages.

[gabeana]

18. are you proud Jackson did those things?

[la la]

50. whoa----

you're throwin' some serious schitt around there---

have a drink - go to bed---get over it.

:wtf:

[gabeana]

53. Thats the problem people just say go have a drink

and forget about it, thats not going to solve anything
but thanks for your concern, and I don't mean that sarcastically

[fascisthunter]

9. I Think You are Bitter for Reasons Obama Hasn't Given

that's what I think

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Why did you put "hunt" in the choices? I went back and looked at Barack's quotes

and he never mentioned hunters.

How did you morph what he said into talking about hunters or hunting?

[AllentownJake]

17. Because

What he said in 30 seconds is being blown up to whatever anyone wants it to be that is supporting Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

23. What do people do with guns in small towns?

I suppose Barack's base thinks they run around mad shooting people but that isn't the case.

[AllentownJake]

27. Actually

I lived in a small town in Indiana for 3 years and about 1/4 people who had guns that I knew actually hunted. The rest had them for "protection" I'm not sure of from what but whatever it was they were ready.

[John Q. Citizen]

60. Where I live guns make the news when people commit suicide, or when somebody robs a bank

or a casino. Or less frequently somebody shoots their friend/spouse during an argument. Of course they aren't usuallly using a rifle for that. And nobody hunts with a pistol unless they are an asshole. It's probably against the law. (or it should be)

I live in a small unincorported community. The nearest city is 20 miles away, 60,000, and it's the fourth largest city in the State. The next small city is over 2 hours drive away.

We probably don't have as many small towns as PA, because Montana is 4/5 the land mass of California with under a million people living here.

Obama is going to win Montana handily in the primary, and he has a shot at the GE. Hill won't win the primary and she has zero chance in the GE.

I've hunted deer and elk, but it's not really my thing. I love the meat, but I don't really enjoy dropping the hammer on big beautiful 4 legged creatures. I prefer fishing. I don't begrudge people who hunt responsibly in the slightest. The hunters I know don't "cling" to thier guns. But I have known a few Constitutionalist Party/Freemen types who do cling to their guns. I think Obama was talking about people who cling to thier guns.

Check the quote again and I think you will see I'm correct about that.

[roseBudd]

78. You are an idiot if you don't realize the refer was to 1issue voting, GOP=guns good,

We don't get the 1 issue antiabortion or the gun lovers vote.

Anyways

[2rth2pwr]

15. I had to go down to the church and take communion tonight because I was so bitter.

[QC]

21. How were you able to stop clinging to your guns long enough to go to church?

When I get particularly embittered I can't stop clinging to my guns for one goshdurned cottonpickin' minute!

[2rth2pwr]

29. This church is in a small town, so they let you bring your guns in.

[QC]

30. A small, bitter town? n/t

[jackson_dem]

34. Could I go to it?

I hear you bitter small town folk are all racist too. Would someone shoot me if I walked in?

[gabeana]

36. You fit in with the racist remember you love Jackson

[jackson_dem]

41. Are you telling us Barack Obama is a racist for considering Jackson and Jefferson Democratic heroes?

[gabeana]

48. No your telling me that Obama is Bigot because wright was his

preacher so by your logic you must be a supporter of murder and genocide, are you?

[jackson_dem]

56. I said Obama is a bigot because of what he said about small town folks

[gabeana]

63. So you don't think guns, gays, immigration

are wedge issues

[jackson_dem]

66. That isn't what Obama said. Rural people have been going to church long before there even was a GOP

[gabeana]

70. Don't be disingenuous you know what he was saying

SO why did Bush win all those red state (Rural) because people agreed with his economic and foreign policy? or was it wedge issues?
and if you say they agreed with his policies tell me the logic of how they should believed it would help them out

[2rth2pwr]

40. Only if ya looked "different", ya know what i mean? nudgenudge

[jackson_dem]

46. Damn so I can't go

I don't know your race but I have been told everyone who lives in a small town is white so I can't go. One more question, are small town folks typical white people or are they different? I heard whites in San Francisco and Chicago are different than you bitter small town folk.

[2rth2pwr]

51. White folks are the same all over. You know, typical.

[jackson_dem]

26. Did anyone damn America? I hear that is popular in Chicago churches with millionaire members

[JVS]

31. Are you using the sacrament as a device for a cheap political attack?

Nice!

[JVS]

28. Do you know what Black people from SC who like to go to church and listen to gospel music were...

called here? I'm not going to repeat it, but I find it very strange that the same camp from which that vile attack emerged is suddenly falling all over themselves to explain how wonderful and salt of the earth white rural fundamentalists who like to own plenty of guns are.

[jackson_dem]

35. No. Tell me.

Yes, every small town person is a fundamentalist, they all have guns, and there are no blacks, Latinos, Asians, or Native Americans in small towns.

[gabeana]

44. Do you know how Ironic it is for you to mention Native Americans?

Thats like if Hillary said she was against the war before Obama was oops she did:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

47. Who are your favorite presidents?

We know Obama's favorite Dem presidents are Jefferson, Jackson, FDR, and JFK. He is also a big fan of Reagan and Lincoln.

[gabeana]

52. I don't have a favorite President

but I do have a favorite American that lived in the White House Eleanor Roosevelt, as I write this my favorite while not in the White house is Carter for what he has done in his post-presidency

[jackson_dem]

58. Really? No favorite president. Weird.

What do you think about Barack Obama drawing inspiration from Jefferson, Jackson, FDR, and JFK?

[gabeana]

65. He's a democrat isn't he?

I mean republicans still use Lincoln as a standard bearer and if he was around today he would not be a republican

[jackson_dem]

96. And? You just spent a thread denouncing someone who was born in the 18th century

Because he does not pass muster by 2008 standards. Neither do JFK, FDR, and to a much lesser extent JFK.

[MrSlayer]

39. Because they're superstitious and bloodthirsty?

:shrug:

[2rth2pwr]

43. Good one! LOL!

Oh, you weren't joking.

[MrSlayer]

57. Of course I'm kidding.

About being bloodthirsty anyway. Lots of people hunt because it's cheaper than going to the butcher.

[jackson_dem]

49. I know Clark is from Arkansas. Is he from a small town or a big town?

[MrSlayer]

55. Born in Chicago, moved to Little Rock at age 4.

So I guess technically, big town.

[Name removed]

67. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nichomachus]

72. Wow -- what a stupid poll -- worthy of Faux News or CNN

[Catchawave]

80. I don't think it's stupid ...

What Obama said was.

[nichomachus]

82. The "poll" is nonsense

It's along the lines of "have you stopped beating your wife."

What Obama said, even if you don't like hearing it, was true -- so you apparently object to the truth -- but that seems to be a pattern in the Clinton campaign.

[Catchawave]

92. I'm neutral. What O said doesn't help me at all n/t

[Catchawave]

107. I'm an Edwards supporter.

But I like Hillary's positions on issues much better than Obama's, who's drifty at best.

I don't "apparently object to the truth". Careful who you insult around here.

[roseBudd]

73. Actually they don't, hunt that is, hunting is way down, the refer was to 1issue voting 2nd Amendment

[roseBudd]

74. When are you going to enable your profile, that is what THIS DUer wants to know

[Skidmore]

76. You need to add another choice to your poll....

"I vote jackson-dem off of the island."

[jackson_dem]

103. I know Obamites have me on the pizza delivery list

:boring:

[Auntie Bush]

79. Do we have 18 chickens/cowards/comedians here?

Just wondering? :shrug:

[Turn CO Blue]

81. You missed the point about religion. Bitter people CLING to their

religion in an EXTREMELY unhealthy way. They may use it as a weapon against others instead of as a healing balm for themselves.

And the primary type of person who may become overly-zealous and hateful is one who is completely down and out economically and emotionally.

[Exilednight]

83. Exactly!

[okasha]

87. You mean like Donnie McClurkin?

Who clings to his religion to protect himself from teh gay and supports a murderous "ex-gay" movement?

[Turn CO Blue]

91. Actually,

I never defend any religious teachers (preachers, reverends, priests) ever. Ever. Ever. May they all be tried for being the hucksters that they are. I abhore McClurkin, but he is really a NOBODY on the religious scene. If you looked for a list of the top ten influential religious leaders - nobody has even heard of him. He doesn't have a show or a bestseller. He doesn't get interviewed.

The scary one is James Dobson, and that guy and his listeners would have all gays tortured and murdered if they could. I hope you've saved some of your outrage for Dobson, because he is someone who can actually get gays hurt, because he has influence, fans, hundreds of thousands of listeners, a large staff, access to politicians, POWER and money. Dobson is where you should focus your energy.

[jackson_dem]

105. Or Obama who "clings" to a racist mentor/pastor

[jackson_dem]

104. Obama didn't say that. Here we go again with WORM

[Maine-ah]

84. granted, it is traditional way of life in small town America

but if you put it in the frame of politics wedge issues, that is what a lot of people vote on. I think that is what Obama was saying too. People lose hope and trust in the government, realizing that things are never really going to change, so they vote on the wedge issues, these are the issues they cling to.

I think people are only using little media bites, and not watching/reading the statements in whole.

JMHO.



:hi:

spelling :spank:

[smiley_glad_hands]

85. The point is that they vote against their economic security in exchange

for faux cultural security. If you still don't get it by now, maybe you should switch parties already.

[jackson_dem]

106. There wasn't even a rethug party when folks started to own guns and go to church in small towns

Nice try playing WORM, though. :hi:

[vssmith]

86. What Obama said was true

He should not back away from it. He should say these people have a right to be bitter and if I am elected I will do my best to see they won't have to be bitter any longer.

[PurityOfEssence]

88. Hysterical

If Obama said that Americans are angry pathetic losers, hoards of his supporters here would leap to the moment to proclaim that it was the greatest act of political genius since Tippecanoe and Tyler Too. They'd fall over each other extolling the virtues of being pathetic and laud the very concept of being a loser while championing anger as the greatest human trait.

Such is the stuff of hero-worship. It became startlingly apparent when so many agreed so vehemently that he's a legendary orator: it's blinkered, wishful thinking.

Sure, he's got his good points, but the sheer glorification is nothing short of silly.

And although Edwards got it right with his understanding and accepting response, I'll just vote "present" so I can always be on the correct side of things...

Thanks for the yuk.

(edited for spllling)

[jackson_dem]

94. Yup. There is nothing St. Obama can do wrong

[Hoof Hearted]

97. Hysterical yes, but in a really sad way.

[noel711]

90. You are outta line buddy....

And it's not working...

Do you live in a rural town in Pennsylvania?

Have you ever lived/worked/known anyone as part of
this culture?

I doubt it. Because if you had, you'd never
be playing this game. You just as much of an
opportunist as Hillary/MacCain for prying out
of Obama's remarks a 'sound byte' and running
with it.. to the detriment of the real people
to whom the issue was addressing.

You are offensive and bigoted to rural people.
To say the Obama's comments were 'elitist'
just shows how elitist you are. He 'gets' it,
and pal... they do too, these good rural folk,
the salt of the earth, these dear people who gave
the land their blood sweat and tears. And they don't
deserve to be part of your game.

I've live in a rural area in PA for the past 14 years.
I've baptised their babies, married the young couples,
and buried their beloved dead.
I know from 'church' and why it's vital to their lives.
But it's not because they're 'bitter,' it's because
they understand the strenghtening of true faith.

Our church buried the very first Pennsylvania serviceman
to die in IRaq. Do not play with these folks,
or me. I won't have it.

I understand why hunting (tranlated that to 'guns') are
part of their culture. It's because, generations ago,
hunting was what fed the family.

But do not demean them by boiling the issue down to
these two things, as if that's all they have.
They have a whole lot more. And they don't see things
as simplistically as you do. They get it.
You, obviously, do not.

Any 'bitterness,' any disapointment, any discouragement
they live with is because the country and government they
trusted.. has let them down.

Before you think you can make judgements,
come and walk in their mocassins a few miles.
and I'll bet you can't do it.

[powergirl]

93. Because there is nothing else to do!

Lived in both worlds folks. It's true. Church isn't just about faith. It's about a sense of community and a gathering point for gatherings, parties, etc.

Hunting - critters don't live in the big city, people! The city folk go to the small towns for hunting. This is not that difficult a concept.

But on Obama's point, he is correct. The people are bitter and rightfully so. They have been screwed over by broken promises and they live their lives the best they can with what is left in their community.

[anonymous171]

98. Why is it a long standing part of their culture? Why don't they do that in urban areas too?

[jackson_dem]

102. They go to church in urban areas. Doesn't Obama go to a racist church himself?

As to hunting, there is a cultural difference with the obvious explanation being geographic. Where can you hunt in Chicago or New York? There are plenty of open spaces to hunt in rural America.

[bridgit]

108. "fundamental & longstanding", it's not just small town folk, we know people in the city...

that hunt & fish & go to church. What do I think? I don't think Obama understands the America he presumes to be president of. It's a good thing he's not running in a country with 12 time zones, there wouldn't be enough time for him to ever get it right.

[AX10]

110. It seems many Obamites are not voting honestly.

If they were, a majority of the votes cast in your poll would be for "present", as Mr. Obama has shown himself to do when controversy comes near him.