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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:13 PM Original message |
North Carolina(Rasmussen): McCain 47% Obama 47% |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Impressive. NC has 15 electoral votes (tied for 9th) |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes that is 15 EVs more than Hillary can get. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. They posted something positive. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Passive aggresive? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Positive Aggressive. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Hillary can get NJ, Obama can't. NJ has 15 too |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yes he can win NJ. I dont understand why you dont think he can. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. He can but Hillary can win NC in theory too |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. See post 18 |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. New Jersey is ours in the general. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Called grasping at straws |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. What does him being black have to do it? He does better in Montana |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. What was yesterdays mantra? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Neither could Biden. Is Biden black? |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. No but Biden didn't |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Biden is smart enough not to attend a racist church. 99% of politicians are... |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. It is your OPINION that NJ |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Polls show him losing NJ right now and either tied or leading by 2 in Massachussetts |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. just ignore him, he likes to throw random and stupid shit out for attention |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Here is the latest poll out of NJ on Apr 3: Clinton AND Obama lead McCain by 5. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. We can cherry pick polls all day |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Show me several polls that have her leading in NJ? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Show me polls that have her losing NJ |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You are the one making the claims that Obama |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I think they both will win. Your argument about me cherry picking polls just doesnt make sense |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Let's see more polls roll in. The supers will not look at February polls but recent ones |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Okay. the most recent one has them both winning by five..that's all I'm saying |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I never put too much stock in a single poll |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Neither do I, but when you say Obama is going to lose in NJ, I just dont see that evidence |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Yet you cling to the concept |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I think a split puke race, Barr and McCain, could put NC seriously |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Perhaps. In theory VA would be a better bet |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Someone said about a week ago |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I have said that he could turn a Carolina and GA. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. Possibly... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. No. Until now he had shown no strength in the South |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Then I'm thinking of another DUer |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. WOW! |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. Damn if we could win in NC we can turn America blue |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yes, We Can! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Normally but O is odd. He could win NC but lose FL, OH, PA, and MI |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. And pigs |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. He is a joke in FL, loses OH, and has a razor thin lead in PA and MI |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Those are not facts |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Apr. 11 PA John McCain (R) 39% Barack Obama (D) 47% |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. He is down by 1.5% in the rcp poll average |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Actually, he isnt down, hes up. RCP never switched to the newer Rasmussen numbers |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. He still does worse than Clinton and PA is his best big swing state |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. In post 59, I made an argument for how I see things playing out without him winning OH and FL. |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The polls used in that average are 2+ weeks old. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. 2 weeks is nothing as far as GE polling is concerned |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. 7 months before the GE polling when the GOP has McCain and the Dems hate each other is nothing |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. His electoral map looks different than Clinton though |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. The problem is he would need to sweep those states. It is the math |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Here is how I currently see Obama's electoral Map: A cautious view |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. That is plausible. Those are the Gore states plus CO, NM, and NV |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. And Clinton is down 5 in OH, Obama down 7 |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Wrong. Clinton is up 3, Obama is down 5. Yes, 8 points is a a big difference |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The recent polls have Clinton and Obama fairly even |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Wrong. That is another fairy tale |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. The 2nd most recent poll is almost 3 weeks old |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Only Obamites craft strategy based on one poll |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. oh lord. ONE POLL? I just pointed out the 8 MONTH trend lol... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The trend is Obama losing almost each time in Ohio |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. It goes back and forth. I can't believe you're trying to debate this |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. lol the data is right there for everyone to see |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. ya, so look at it. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Obama loses almost each time, except when the Obama hype was at its peak in Feb |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Obama Wins OH in Oct, Feb, March. Clinton wins in Aug, Oct, Nov, Feb, March |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
55. Looks tantalizing doesn't it? Its Rasmussen, which is accurate, but.......... |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
56. Rasmussen isn't exactly objective. (eom) |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. If anything, Rasmussen is biased against us. |
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