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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 06:58 PM
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The Clark Scenario
Edited on Fri Jan-02-04 07:01 PM by mot78
Here's my take on how Clark can get the nomination:

Iowa:
Although he's skipping Iowa, his chances of becoming the "anti-Dean" rest on knocking out Gephardt and Kerry. Gephardt needs to lose to Dean and drop out in order to winnow the field down. However, there's also been recent speculation into Kerry actually coming in second in Iowa, which could make him into the "anti-Dean". Kerry needs to come in third here to prevent himself from gaining any momentum in New Hampshire and beyond.

New Hampshire:
Clark could do fine with a third place finish that doesn't include Kerry or Gephardt picking up momentum from Iowa, but upsetting Kerry and coming in second is what we really want, because it gives him the needed momentum to run a stronger campaign. If he comes in second in NH, Kerry would probably be finished (unless you believe people who claim Kerry's mortage is so he can stay in longer than that) and Clark would effectively go on to become the "anti-Dean", although he'll still have Lieberman and Edwards to contend with.

February 3rd:
Clark has the best chance of winning South Carolina because of his background. Aside from that, he also has to fight Dean in Arizona, New Mexico, Missouri, Delaware, Oklahoma, and South Dakota. It's hard to say how many of these states he'll get, because he he becomes the "anti-Dean" resulting from a strong NH showing, he can pick up money and volunteers needed to take on Dean. I think Clark could carry Oklahoma, Delaware, possibly new Mexico, and Missouri because I'm assuming that Gephardt's absence would benefit Clark. I don't know enough about South Dakota to stay who it would go to. I also feel that Liberman and Edwards will be finished on February 3rd, but I can't predict how DK, CMB, and Sharpton will fare, since they're not really running to win, but to give notice to their ideas and grievences.

Between February 3rd and Super Tuesday, I think Clark and Dean will be evenly split. I've heard some Dean supporters on DU argue that the majority of these states could go to Dean, and I say it's impossible to predict where they'll go, because if Clark becomes the "anti-Dean" then he picks up momentum and supporters from the other, defunct campaigns.
As they duke it out, the media will try everything they can to inflame their fight. Look for the SCLM to make this out to be the "DLC-Clintonista vs. McGovern II", which is something we can't afford to be escalated, because if Clark gets nominated with this caricature over his head, Nader and the Green candidate could benefit from disgruntled, ableit uninformed non-voters, who supported Dean and Kucinich, and are not ABB.

Super Tuesday:
This could very well be the final showdown. Whoever wins this may very well be the nominee. However, assuming Dean still has the robust organization, he could (although I could be wrong on this) drag the primaries out a few more weeks, my guess would be to please some of his supporters, who may feel like that because the primary schedule was set up by the DNC to annoint a winner instead of letting the Democratic process continue. If Dean doesn't persue this strategy, then Clark would be the nominee by mid-March.
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:09 PM
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1. Kick!
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:13 PM
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2. I agree with..
your assessment.

However, if Gephardt wins Iowa, this could help us by showing that Dean is not invincible. But, it could propel him up to 2nd in NH (like it did in '88) which is the spot that we're coveting right now.

If Clark can close up the margin between him and Dean a bit more, than perhaps a Gephardt win in Iowa would only be able to push him into 3rd going into NH.

Gephardt's Clyburn (sp?) endorsement could help him in South Carolina. But I think Clark has the potential do garner quite a few of the February 3rd states.

If, Dean wins Iowa..I think it becomes a 2 man race. If Gephardt wins Iowa, it could hurt Dean a bit. I'm not sure how Gephardt will play out in the other states, but his win could have a 'domino effect'. However, Gephardt plays out like he did in '88 (after Iowa..he won Missouri and South Dakota) than him still being in the race could help Clark by making Dean seem less inevitable.

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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:16 PM
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4. I agree somewhat with this
but, the media will love a dogfight, and they'll want it to happen sooner than later. Also, what matters in these primaries is "Big Mo'" as * Sr.'s campaign coined it.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:23 PM
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5. Right...
Gephardt could gain Big Mo(mentum) from a win in Iowa going into NH.

But he doesn't have the Big Mo(ney).

I envision him fizzling out after Iowa. But, that could be an underestimation.

I think the media may focus more on "Dean lost Iowa" than "Gephardt won".

Neither scenario would hurt Clark though, I'm not sure which one helps more than the other.

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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:26 PM
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9. Maybe you're right
but "Big Mo" includes "Big Mo"ney.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:14 PM
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3. Thanks!
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:23 PM
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6. Kerry, Lieb and Gep's supporters will gravitate
largely toward Clark methinks. As soon as their money dries up (See John Kerry's 2nd mortgage) I have a very good feeling.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:25 PM
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7. Kick!
:kick: Nice preview!
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 07:25 PM
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8. What this makes me wonder is
how many people simply vote for a candidate because he's from the "right" part of the country?

Which strikes me as a singularly stupid way to vote.

For instance, I live in Kansas, but I'm not planning on voting for Gephardt in the Kansas caucus. If he becomes the nominee, of course I'll vote for him.

The man I plan to vote for does not appeal to me because of his geographic origin, but because I believe he's the best choice. Which is how we should all be choosing.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:26 AM
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10. I agree
and I feel this way about my candidate as well.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:44 AM
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11. Agreed..
I'm from CA..who am I supposed to vote for? ;)
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k_blagburn Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:40 AM
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12. Clark has the advantage
Being from the south and having lived in the midwest for 6 years, I can tell you the south and midwest are big military supporters. Gen. Clark definitely has the advantage in these areas.








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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 11:18 AM
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15. Hi k_blagburn!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:05 AM
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13. there are several "Clark scenarios"
The one you describe is rather optimistic. The good news for Clark - or other challengers - is that the race need not be won in the first four weeks.

Dean is the clear frontrunner. Yet, he only has support between 25 - 30% of likely Democratic primary voters nationally. He is way ahead of all the rest, but still 70% of Democrats want someone else or are undecided.

One of the big advantages of being the lead dog is that you get a disproportionate amount of the support for candidates who drop out. Dean has hurt himself in this regard lately with the intimation that his supporters might not support the nominee, which makes other candidates' fans less likely to go to Dean by default if their favorite falters.

Dean's money advantage is a strong one, but it comes with its own problems. The advantage must be used to be asserted, and once it is used, it is gone. Any early slip-ups could make contributors nervous, and Dean must keep his lead in this area.

But Clark has time to build support. A Gephardt win in Iowa would slow Dean's momentum a bit, but wouldn't be portrayed as a shocker. But Dean has such a huge lead in NH that any significantly lower % of the actual vote will be played as a defeat in the media. Clark is very strong in SC, and has good support in AZ, NM, and OK, too, of Feb 3 states. Gephardt should win MO, so the day could end with any of the three of them leading the delegate totals. If it is anyone but Dean, or if he isn't leading by a wide margin, that will become the new story.

Dean has ridden the wave of publicity well, and run a smart campaign, except for the recent gaffes. But at least a part of his success is the story of his surprising success. He has to keep the momentum, or the story quickly becomes "Dean's faltering campaign" in the media.

People who think the nomination race is all but over don't know their Democratic history. Things are just getting started.

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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:20 AM
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14. Good assessment n/t
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:07 PM
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16. Here's another kick!
:kick:
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